Guest guest Posted May 11, 2000 Report Share Posted May 11, 2000 Hi all, hotmail hasn't been able to receive messages from the for the last 5 days (it just re-connected thismorning). I don't know if this has been posted yet, so I'm putting it up now - It's a wonderfully well written elaboration from Joanne on what I was talking about earlier. Do keep in mind that I was originally passing on info from a study that I found interesting, not accusing pet owners of being cruel. Nobody wants to think of thier pet as being mis-treated, but we all have a long way to go in terms of understanding the various degrees of emotional needs and emotional complexity that different types of living creatures are capable of. I did say (from what I remember) that I felt the more companion animals were raised like people the better (this may not be " natural " but at least it would insure that they would be reasonabley well treated quasi-captives in most instances), so anybody that does strive for that goal is on the right path in my opinion - I just feel that there are a lot of commonly-untouched issues that should be addressed by anybody planning to, or currently raising, a non-human companion. I plan to start living with a dog myself next year . . . . . . . here is joanne's wonderfully eloquent expansion on what I brought up. please don't respond to this message without reading it all first (thank you): Holiday writes:) >I just have to jump in here. I have 2 Mini Schnauzers, 2 cats >and a rabbit. >My animals have it made in the shade so to speak. My >schnauzers are just >like one of the family. >I love them to death. ?????--personally, I do not find that image reassuring, and wouldn't like it if someone said that re me. > I talk very highly of them I don't think this is what Patrick was referring to, but rather of talking as if we own the animals, reflecting on how, actually we do including the rights to decide their medical care, even to choose to KILL them. We also control the basic environments and conditions under which they must adapt. People in bad situations will display and show affection for abusers, because they have no one else to meet this need with. Controling an animals environment and life is definately a form of slavery. Of course there are gradations of a wide range and what kind of life that would mean to the animal. Companion animals are not given access to make their own human partner choices, access to food choices and catching it wild (not that I want them to--that's another issue, however THEY might want to), access to areas they would like to play in and freedom from injurious restraints around their necks, etc. They must adapt to a human world, you, " their human " , do not adjust to a dog environment, or cat environment... and if you have cats, dogs AND a rabbit, you are certainly not creating a rabbit environment. You do not attempt to learn cat or dog language, yet many people credit animals with understanding humans. Thus, we both deny natural language ability or use of it (theirs) and demand it of them (obey my vocal instructions, NOW). Many people have ONE dog, when dogs really need other dogs. Rabbits too are social animals, and need others. I believe most cats would rather be in a dog free environment, unless the dogs are non-disruptive, and do NOT bark. A cat has sensitive ears and is not suited to sudden noise. if >this is like >slavery, I must have the wrong definition of slavery. You try to be kind to your animals, and this is good...but it takes looking at what would be the animals natural world, to get a sense of what they are being denied. You may need to think about the non-obvious... Consider " obedience " --who defines the rules? Who gets to choose what is appropriate behavior? Do you have immediate and free access to meet your basic needs, like food when you want and complete access to the bathroom whenever? Do they? Do you have the ability and " right " to decide sexual issues for them, like whether or not they are " desexed " ? If your female dog were in heat, would you prevent her access to partners, and all those she would choose? And think about physiology...who wears the restraint around the neck, occaissionally or frequently pulling at the vertebral column with totally unnatural directions of stress, and which of you has access to the chiropracter? Even if the collar is never attached to a leash, cats have died from getting caught by the collar on something, and being strangled. Does the animal choose to wear such a thing? Which of you has the sensitive nose, (and olfactory-sensitive brain) but who has access to and decision making powers over the release of chemicals into the air with virtually every bottle opened, soap used, or synthetic material brought into the home? Maybe this will help you gain some perspective on how animals become slaves in the human environment, and how even the best intended folk also end up inadvertantly perpetuating unkindnesses. IT IS ALSO TRUE that most of these animals will die without us due to them being without an econitch of their own, and due to the human-created overpopulations. I believe we need to (yes, this too is controlling but its the least mean controll I can think of at the moment) do tubal ligations and vasectomies on all dogs and cats. The rabbits can be let free where there are rabbit populations...or " half-way house " communities for released, not wild-bred rabbits who might not do well on their own, but where they CAN leave if they choose. Lots of women who cannot escape a painful and emotionally crushing domestic situation also experience a slavery experience, even when it might look very cushy and satasfactory from the outside. Their husbands or partners often too, claim that they have it " made in the shade " . The same conditions occur to children, to poor people, etc. There are variations, but slavery is not at all a " thing of the past " . YET! Let's keep learning from eachother, and making things better and better for each other, including for those who we are presently in the position of controlling or " enslaving " . Until we find a way that no slaves are held on the planet. Thanks for listening, and the chance to express myself on these things. Joanne If I say something you find worth sharing, you don't need my permission to share it with others. ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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