Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 I saw chicken run, because of all the vegetarian fuss around the film. I really can't see how it would persuade anyone to stop eating meat - it's just a claymation film - it's so far removed from the real world, and how chickens are really treated, that it's almost absurd to think (after I have now seen it) that people are so hopeful about this film. I think a lot of vegetarians are going to be dissapointed when they actually see the film. It is LIGHT, it is definitely not " Amistad " with Chickens (anyones personal opinion of Spielberge's motives not withstanding), it's " the great escape " with chickens, and does about as much for animal rights as the great escape did for the treatment of POW's. I hate to be such a downer, every little bit of counter-carnivorous popular entertainment helps, and surely it is feasable that a beniegn film of this type could stir up sympathy for the treatment of animals, but this particular one just doesn't go far enough. This film most definitely would not have persuaded me to think about animal rights as a child, and I'm sorry to say that it gave me not a single swish of air beneath my adult vegan wings either. A thirty second clip inside a real chicken farm, with real chickens (not fantasy talking clay chickens with teeth and giant eyeballs) being brutalized - would have been much more effective. But the " point " of the film is to show off Ardmaan's meticulous claymation in a profitable way, not rouse chicken sympathy, so........ -pk ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 Friday June 30 7:08 AM ET http://dailynews./h/ap/20000630/wl/britain_chickening_out__1.html Vegetarians Back 'Chicken Run' By SUE LEEMAN, Associated Press Writer LONDON (AP) - As the cute, clucky cast of " Chicken Run " cackles onto screens, vegetarians are egging on the public to give up meat. " We think the film will have a major effect on children, " said Juliet Gellatley of the charity Vegetarians International Voice for Animals, or VIVA!, which plans to show a commercial about poultry farms before some London screenings of " Chicken Run. " " We hope that they will never eat another chicken, " Gellatley said. But Peter Bradnock, chief executive of the British Poultry and Meat Federation, said the film - a quasi-parody of " The Great Escape " about a group of hens trying to get out of a British chicken farm - was unlikely to affect chicken sales. " These are not real chickens, " Bradnock said. " People don't equate their favorite meat with plasticine figures in a movie. " The film's producer, Aardman Productions - which also made the Oscar-winning " Wallace and Gromit " shorts - was keeping out of the fray. " We made a fun film and it is not political in any way, " spokesman Arthur Sheriff said Thursday. The film, which garnered critical acclaim and healthy box-office receipts when it opened in the United States last week, opens in Britain on Friday. British vegetarians were delighted when the meat substitute quorn was served at the premiere earlier this week. VIVA!, which distributed fliers outside theaters for its Save the Pig campaign to coincide with the film " Babe, " has made a 20-second commercial showing a chicken in a cage with the slogan: Chicken Can't Run. " Gellatley said the pig campaign " led to a huge increase in calls from people wanting to become vegetarian - and we believe meat sales fell. " But Phil Saunders of the Meat and Livestock Commission said the " Babe " campaign " made absolutely no difference to pork sales. People have a lot more sense. " Butcher Nigel Armstrong, who has a shop at London's famous Smithfield meat market, said those like him who sell only naturally reared meat could actually benefit from VIVA!'s campaign. " I'm quite glad these people are poking their nose in, because it makes people think and in the long run it helps to raise standards in meat production, " Armstrong said. " During the 'mad cow disease' scare, my sales of beef actually rose, " he said. -- ------------------------ Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com Powered by OutBlaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 I don't usually think of myself as having a negative outlook on life, but I think in this instance I must have. I'm the only veggie I've come across who recoiled in disbelief on first hearing of this film. My immediate reaction was " how can anyone make light of such a horror? " . What next, a sexy sitcom from an African refugee camp? I think that if it causes people to think at all it is more likely to fool them into thinking that animals in factory farms have some kind of choice/control/chance of escape. Oh, and in case anyone doesn't know, Quorn contains battery eggs - good joke, huh? Sorry to be so bitter, but ..... well, I am on this. Cathy p.s. I really really really hope I'm wrong! > ---------- > anji b[sMTP:vegan] > > Vegetarians Back 'Chicken Run' > > British vegetarians were delighted when the meat substitute quorn was > served at the premiere earlier this week. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 >I think the problem is veggies don't have a sense of humour anymore. Most >veggies I talk to are so serious. So the movie won't turn little kids into >vegetarians, so what? It doesn't have a negative impact either, so who >cares. It was a really cute movie, I personally liked it a lot. People who >made this movie weren't thinking of *chickens*. In fact, it didn't matter >at >all what animal they put there. Chicken Run is just a fable, a little cute >story with a moral in the end, usually where the charachters are animals so >that little kids will like it. The movie is about escape and freedom, not >chickens. So lighten up and get over it. >-Belle You exactly right about the film, but that was my whole point. . . why are people making so much fuss over this film? I feel like a lot of folks are embarrassing themselves (nobody on this list specifically) by putting so much hope into and for making so much fuss over something that is pure fantasy. " lighten up and get over it? " - get over chicken run? Obviously it was long behind me. Get over the treatment of animal? No, sorry, ask someone else. -pk >______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 I think the problem is veggies don't have a sense of humour anymore. Most veggies I talk to are so serious. So the movie won't turn little kids into vegetarians, so what? It doesn't have a negative impact either, so who cares. It was a really cute movie, I personally liked it a lot. People who made this movie weren't thinking of *chickens*. In fact, it didn't matter at all what animal they put there. Chicken Run is just a fable, a little cute story with a moral in the end, usually where the charachters are animals so that little kids will like it. The movie is about escape and freedom, not chickens. So lighten up and get over it. -Belle ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 Sponsored by Burger King by the way... Save a chicken, eat beef. No Joke. www.upperworld.com Pascal Pilon Head Redaction The Upperworld Society / La société Upperworld p2 -----Message d'origine----- De : Isabelle Netto [isabelle240] Envoyé : 4 juillet, 2000 12:25 À : Objet : RE: Vegetarians Back 'Chicken Run' I think the problem is veggies don't have a sense of humour anymore. Most veggies I talk to are so serious. So the movie won't turn little kids into vegetarians, so what? It doesn't have a negative impact either, so who cares. It was a really cute movie, I personally liked it a lot. People who made this movie weren't thinking of *chickens*. In fact, it didn't matter at all what animal they put there. Chicken Run is just a fable, a little cute story with a moral in the end, usually where the charachters are animals so that little kids will like it. The movie is about escape and freedom, not chickens. So lighten up and get over it. -Belle ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ---------- -- ---------- -- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2000 Report Share Posted July 5, 2000 At first I was disgusted that Burger King would have the indecency to run such a campaign. Then I thought about it a bit more and became disgusted with the makers of the film for allowing it. This proves that " Chicken Run " (which was a great movie BTW) was made with the intention of making money, and nothing else. Incidentally, " Babe " turned my carnivorous (also racist, ignorant, and bible thumping cousin) off of pork. I haven't talked to her lately, but I've been hoping that " Chicken Run " would do the same. Then all she need to watch would be movies about Steve the Steer and Sadie the Salmon. -Annie > " Pascal Pilon " <p2 > > >RE: Vegetarians Back 'Chicken Run' >Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:07:35 -0400 > >Sponsored by Burger King by the way... Save a chicken, eat beef. > > No Joke. > >www.upperworld.com >Pascal Pilon >Head Redaction >The Upperworld Society / La société Upperworld >p2 > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Isabelle Netto [isabelle240] > Envoyé : 4 juillet, 2000 12:25 > À : > Objet : RE: Vegetarians Back 'Chicken Run' > > > I think the problem is veggies don't have a sense of humour anymore. >Most > veggies I talk to are so serious. So the movie won't turn little kids >into > vegetarians, so what? It doesn't have a negative impact either, so who > cares. It was a really cute movie, I personally liked it a lot. People >who > made this movie weren't thinking of *chickens*. In fact, it didn't >matter >at > all what animal they put there. Chicken Run is just a fable, a little >cute > story with a moral in the end, usually where the charachters are animals >so > that little kids will like it. The movie is about escape and freedom, >not > chickens. So lighten up and get over it. > -Belle > ______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >---------- >-- > > > >---------- >-- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2000 Report Share Posted July 5, 2000 > >It's thought provoking, isn't it, that people would need to be shown the >reality for each individual animal?! :-/ It puzzles me when people don't >generalize beyond the one example before them. When " Babe " turns a person >off eating pork, why doesn't it also do the job for all other forms of >flesh >at the same time? Pardon me for being so cruel Deborah, but I believe the answer lies in the fact that the person in question is stupid enough to let a childrens fable influence their eating habits in the first place. It really doesn't make any sense to stop eating just one kind of animal and continue to enjoy the rest for reasons of animal empathy, but when a film like babe is your " wake up call " to the treatment of animals (and you're over the age of 11). . . . .. . . . .welll... . ..is there much hope for rational decisions from that person on a large scale? Sure babe was a wonderful movie (interestingly enough, directed by the same guy who directed " Mad Max " I believe, but I could be thinking of a diff. Australian director named Miller) and it does help to remind us of how capable we are of empathizing with animals - but if you watch it and come away thinking that pigs are the only animals worth saving. . . .well, you see what I'm getting at. -pk Do these people see there being THAT much difference >between a pig and a cow? Maybe you could ask this cousin something about >this and let us know? > >Deborah in BC, Canada > > > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2000 Report Share Posted July 5, 2000 " when a film like babe is your " wake up call " to the treatment of animals (and you're over the age of 11). . . . .. . . . .welll... . ..is there much hope for rational decisions from that person on a large scale? " Exactly. There's no reasoning with this woman, because she's incapable of reason. Believe me, I've tried. With some people, you're just wasting your breath. > " Patrick Keller " <patrickkeller > > >Re: Vegetarians Back 'Chicken Run' >Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:46:39 PDT > > > > > >It's thought provoking, isn't it, that people would need to be shown the > >reality for each individual animal?! :-/ It puzzles me when people >don't > >generalize beyond the one example before them. When " Babe " turns a >person > >off eating pork, why doesn't it also do the job for all other forms of > >flesh > >at the same time? > >Pardon me for being so cruel Deborah, but I believe the answer lies in the >fact that the person in question is stupid enough to let a childrens fable >influence their eating habits in the first place. It really doesn't make >any sense to stop eating just one kind of animal and continue to enjoy the >rest for reasons of animal empathy, but when a film like babe is your " wake >up call " to the treatment of animals (and you're over the age of 11). . . . >. . . . .welll... . ..is there much hope for rational decisions from that >person on a large scale? Sure babe was a wonderful movie (interestingly >enough, directed by the same guy who directed " Mad Max " I believe, but I >could be thinking of a diff. Australian director named Miller) and it does >help to remind us of how capable we are of empathizing with animals - but >if >you watch it and come away thinking that pigs are the only animals worth >saving. . . .well, you see what I'm getting at. > >-pk > > > >Do these people see there being THAT much difference > >between a pig and a cow? Maybe you could ask this cousin something about > >this and let us know? > > > >Deborah in BC, Canada > > > > > > > >______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2000 Report Share Posted July 5, 2000 >Incidentally, " Babe " turned my carnivorous (also racist, ignorant, and bible >thumping cousin) off of pork. I haven't talked to her lately, but I've been >hoping that " Chicken Run " would do the same. Then all she need to watch >would be movies about Steve the Steer and Sadie the Salmon. It's thought provoking, isn't it, that people would need to be shown the reality for each individual animal?! :-/ It puzzles me when people don't generalize beyond the one example before them. When " Babe " turns a person off eating pork, why doesn't it also do the job for all other forms of flesh at the same time? Do these people see there being THAT much difference between a pig and a cow? Maybe you could ask this cousin something about this and let us know? Deborah in BC, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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