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What a wonderful story Sherry! Who else has stories about communication

between humans and other animals?

 

Deborah in BC, Canada

 

 

Human superiority is only human arrogance. Ask any pet " owner " if their pet

understands any of their words (commands). Then ask them how many words do

they understand in their pet's language. I thought I was pretty bright (for

a human) until a sassy little cockatiel came to live with me. (She literally

walked up on my deck one evening and pecked me on the foot.) In the 3 years

we've lived together she's learned to understand numerous words that I use

(kiss, fly, potty, etc.) It took me a year to figure out that she tapped me

once on the hand if she wanted to be placed in the doorway of her cage and

twice if she wanted to be put on top of the cage. (Her cage doors are never

closed and her wings are never clipped, but she's a little on the lazy

side.) In spite of my best efforts, I simply can't grasp her complex

language of whistles, postures, pecks, etc. I have finally learned her

whistle for me, but it took me a lot longer than it took her to learn my

name for her. I'm not a dummy (IQ over 140), but this little bird blows me

away. We don't know what forms of communication, culture and societies

animals have with each other because no human has ever been smart enough to

learn their language. Blessings to you all, Sherry

 

 

 

 

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" Deborah Pageau " <Deborah_Pageau

Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:44 PM

Re: Human " superiority " ?

 

 

> >*what do you tell people who say that we are intellectually superior

to

> >animals?

> I would suggest looking at them with a little quizzical smile, and

responding " We are? " I find that questioning their assumptions saves a lot

of time in these attacks.

> >People tell me that because of our Scientific and Technological

> > " achievents " we have a superior brain capacity.

>

> AV said: Assuming for a minute that humans are 'intellectually

superior' (I

> interpret that to mean being more self-aware and conscious of our

> existence), surely we, as humans, should use that knowledge not as an

excuse

> to torture and exploit animals but instead to apply our special gifts

(e.g.

> the ability to empathize) to show compassion for their suffering and

respect

> for their lives.

> Well said! Here, here! Is 'technological achievement' something to

be proud of if we use it to destroy the earth and cause mass suffering and

destruction?

> AV said: ...people know the truth about what is happening in our world

but they choose to ignore it or try and come up with many reasons to

rationalize their behaviour or even try to blame it on something/someone

else. That is not intelligence, it is fear.

> Bulls-eye!

> AV said: ... maple syrup, tahini and apple sauce sound so much nicer

than soy margarine >don't they?

> I agree, and I think they actually do produce a much tastier product

too!

>

> Deborah in BC, Canada

>

>

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>*does anyone have proof animals communicate? studies?

> anything?

 

there is absolutely proof of this. why else would birds sing? how

else would bees run a hive? hell, it now seems that whales use

grammar and syntax.

http://calvino.biology.emory.edu/signalling/Comm.html is a website for

signalling theory and animal communication. It talks about the ways animals

communicate and makes some comparisons between the ways humans and other animals

do it.

chimps who learn english sign-language

have even taught it to their young. unfortunately i can't give you

any refs... maybe someone here can help me out?

http://www.cwu.edu/~cwuchci/ is the website for the Chimpanzee and Human

Communication Institute at the Central Washington University. There are 5

chimps there, 4 learned American Sign Language (ASL) from humans, and the 5th

learned it from other chimps. These chimps are highly protected and nurtured to

the very best that humans know how to do for chimps at this time of human

understanding about their needs. The Institute offers apprenticeships to a

select group of students in the summer, and volunteer opportunities, but it is

not open to the public as entertainment.

 

 

 

 

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In my opinion, expressing is communicatinc. All animals express emotions to

a certain extent. There's a really great book by Jeffrey Masson called " When

Elephants Weep: The Emotional Lives of Animals " .

I think the most notorious cases of interspecies communication are Koko (a

gorilla) and Washoe (a chimp), who have learned ASL. There's a very nice

article about Washoe in the Aug 2000 issue of Psychology Today. Information

about Koko can be found at http://www.gorilla.org

-Belle

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