Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 << This is what The Dalai Lama has to say on the millennium, all it takes is a > few seconds to read and think. Do not keep this message. > > The mantra must leave your hands within 96 hours. > You will get a very pleasant surprise. This is true even if you are not > superstitious. > > Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai Lama: > > 1. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great > risk. > > 2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. > > 3. Follow the three Rs: > Respect for self > Respect for others and > Responsibility for all your actions. > > 4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke > of luck. > > 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. > > 6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. > > 7. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct > it. > > 8. Spend some time alone every day. > > 9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > 11. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think > back,you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. > > 12. A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life. > > 13. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current situation. > Don't bring up the past. > > 14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. > > 15. Be gentle with the earth. > > 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > 17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love for each > other exceeds your need for each other. > > 18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it. > > 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > Do not keep this message. The mantra must leave your hands within 96 hours. > Send it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 I though Buddhists were vegetarians. Am I missing something? -Annie > " anji b " <vegan > > >Re: mantra >Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:44:45 +0500 > >No offence or anything but... > > > > > Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai Lama: > > > > 3. Follow the three Rs: > > > Respect for self > > > Respect for others and > > > Responsibility for all your actions. > >Respect for self, by eating unhealthy dead animals? > >Respect for others, but mostly humans. > >Responsibility for all your actions, except for supporting the dead animal >industry which causes violence and suffering, destruction of the body, and >destruction of the earth. > > > > > 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. > >Like how the Dalai Lama breaks the first precept every time he eats dead >animals? > > > > > 9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > >Well he can't follow all his own rules can he? > > > > > 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > >Dalai Lama, why do you eat dead animals? > > > > > 11. Live a good, honorable life. > >Is it good and honourable to eat dead animals while you preach nonviolence? > > > > > 15. Be gentle with the earth. > >A few dead animals here and there won't hurt eh Dalai? > > > > > 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > >How about a slaughterhouse? > > > > > 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > >Riiiiight... >-- > >Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com > > > > >Powered by Outblaze ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 No offence or anything but... > > Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai Lama: > > 3. Follow the three Rs: > > Respect for self > > Respect for others and > > Responsibility for all your actions. Respect for self, by eating unhealthy dead animals? Respect for others, but mostly humans. Responsibility for all your actions, except for supporting the dead animal industry which causes violence and suffering, destruction of the body, and destruction of the earth. > > 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. Like how the Dalai Lama breaks the first precept every time he eats dead animals? > > 9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. Well he can't follow all his own rules can he? > > 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. Dalai Lama, why do you eat dead animals? > > 11. Live a good, honorable life. Is it good and honourable to eat dead animals while you preach nonviolence? > > 15. Be gentle with the earth. A few dead animals here and there won't hurt eh Dalai? > > 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. How about a slaughterhouse? > > 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. Riiiiight... -- Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com Powered by Outblaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 I wish they were! I was on a Buddhist mailing list and was trying to talking to them about veganism...and they started out with the " well you hurt plants " argument and what not. One of them said that the Dalai Lama had asked her to eat meat. I made a few attempts to change them and then gave up <sigh>. Of course, not all Buddhists are that way. I have come across 1 Buddhist vegan. Srikanth , " Anna Blaine " <ablaine3@h...> wrote: > > I though Buddhists were vegetarians. Am I missing something? > > -Annie > > > " anji b " <vegan@g...> > > > > > >Re: mantra > >Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:44:45 +0500 > > > >No offence or anything but... > > > > > > > > Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai Lama: > > > > > > 3. Follow the three Rs: > > > > Respect for self > > > > Respect for others and > > > > Responsibility for all your actions. > > > >Respect for self, by eating unhealthy dead animals? > > > >Respect for others, but mostly humans. > > > >Responsibility for all your actions, except for supporting the dead animal > >industry which causes violence and suffering, destruction of the body, and > >destruction of the earth. > > > > > > > > 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. > > > >Like how the Dalai Lama breaks the first precept every time he eats dead > >animals? > > > > > > > > 9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > > >Well he can't follow all his own rules can he? > > > > > > > > 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > > >Dalai Lama, why do you eat dead animals? > > > > > > > > 11. Live a good, honorable life. > > > >Is it good and honourable to eat dead animals while you preach nonviolence? > > > > > > > > 15. Be gentle with the earth. > > > >A few dead animals here and there won't hurt eh Dalai? > > > > > > > > 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > > >How about a slaughterhouse? > > > > > > > > 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > > >Riiiiight... > >-- > > > >Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com > > > > > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > ____________________ __ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 My stepmother is a Zen Buddhist. She is a vegetarian. I've spent time at a Zen Buddhist monastery and all the monks there are vegetarians. They aren't vegans, but they eat only the eggs and goat milk produced there at the abbey. In fact, they would ask any visitors who brought meet onto the premises to leave. So I don't know what's up with the Dalai Lama. -Annie >srikanthk > > > Re: mantra >Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:39:07 -0000 > >I wish they were! I was on a Buddhist mailing list and was trying to >talking to them about veganism...and they started out with the " well >you hurt plants " argument and what not. One of them said that the >Dalai Lama had asked her to eat meat. I made a few attempts to >change them and then gave up <sigh>. Of course, not all Buddhists are >that way. I have come across 1 Buddhist vegan. > >Srikanth > > , " Anna Blaine " <ablaine3@h...> wrote: > > > > I though Buddhists were vegetarians. Am I missing something? > > > > -Annie > > > > > " anji b " <vegan@g...> > > > > > > > > >Re: mantra > > >Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:44:45 +0500 > > > > > >No offence or anything but... > > > > > > > > > > > Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai >Lama: > > > > > > > > 3. Follow the three Rs: > > > > > Respect for self > > > > > Respect for others and > > > > > Responsibility for all your actions. > > > > > >Respect for self, by eating unhealthy dead animals? > > > > > >Respect for others, but mostly humans. > > > > > >Responsibility for all your actions, except for supporting the dead >animal > > >industry which causes violence and suffering, destruction of the >body, and > > >destruction of the earth. > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. > > > > > >Like how the Dalai Lama breaks the first precept every time he eats >dead > > >animals? > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > > > > >Well he can't follow all his own rules can he? > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > > > > >Dalai Lama, why do you eat dead animals? > > > > > > > > > > > 11. Live a good, honorable life. > > > > > >Is it good and honourable to eat dead animals while you preach >nonviolence? > > > > > > > > > > > 15. Be gentle with the earth. > > > > > >A few dead animals here and there won't hurt eh Dalai? > > > > > > > > > > > 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > > > > >How about a slaughterhouse? > > > > > > > > > > > 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > > > > >Riiiiight... > > >-- > > > > > >Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > > > >____________________ >__ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 I don't know about the Dali Lama either, but I know certainly at least some Buddhists are vegan. Buddha was vegan. Or so it is said... --jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 My Stepfather claims to be Buddhist and is in no way interested in being a Vegetarian/Vegan. When my husband and I eat tofu around him he asks why we bother. Last time I just told him 'We don't eat flesh'. How you can feel ALL life is interconnected and yet chomp down on your fellow creatures is beyond me. srikanthk wrote: I wish they were! I was on a Buddhist mailing list and was trying to talking to them about veganism...and they started out with the " well you hurt plants " argument and what not. One of them said that the Dalai Lama had asked her to eat meat. I made a few attempts to change them and then gave up . Of course, not all Buddhists are that way. I have come across 1 Buddhist vegan. Srikanth , " Anna Blaine " wrote: > > I though Buddhists were vegetarians. Am I missing something? > > -Annie > > > " anji b " > > > > > >Re: mantra > >Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:44:45 +0500 > > > >No offence or anything but... > > > > > > > > Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai Lama: > > > > > > 3. Follow the three Rs: > > > > Respect for self > > > > Respect for others and > > > > Responsibility for all your actions. > > > >Respect for self, by eating unhealthy dead animals? > > > >Respect for others, but mostly humans. > > > >Responsibility for all your actions, except for supporting the dead animal > >industry which causes violence and suffering, destruction of the body, and > >destruction of the earth. > > > > > > > > 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. > > > >Like how the Dalai Lama breaks the first precept every time he eats dead > >animals? > > > > > > > > 9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > > >Well he can't follow all his own rules can he? > > > > > > > > 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > > >Dalai Lama, why do you eat dead animals? > > > > > > > > 11. Live a good, honorable life. > > > >Is it good and honourable to eat dead animals while you preach nonviolence? > > > > > > > > 15. Be gentle with the earth. > > > >A few dead animals here and there won't hurt eh Dalai? > > > > > > > > 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > > >How about a slaughterhouse? > > > > > > > > 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > > >Riiiiight... > >-- > > > >Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com > > > > > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > ____________________ __ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Get Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 hey folks, i think buddhism is definitely an interesting and relevant topic, and how is does or doesn't fit with a veg lifestyle could bring up some discussion that is really interesting, certainly to me, as i've been learning about and thinking about including buddhism in my life... but i would bet tonight's dinner on the fact that that list of " mantras " (which they aren't really) has nothing to do with buddhism or the Dalai Lama (that's an honorific title, as far as i know, not someone's name...). it looks like one of those things that floats around the internet periodically, created by someone not terribly knowledgeable about eastern spiritualities, or philosophies, but who is using them to lend validity to something supposedly " mystical " and deep that actually just trite. i sincerely doubt that the Dalai Lama (who is in exile because Tibet is under military occupation by China) has nothing better to do that to send this through the email, with no reference or supporting materials (like a website or one of his published works or anything else that would confirm he actually wrote it), with instructions like " this must leave your hands in 96 hours. " i think that to play into this, unfortunately, only encourages cultural misunderstanding and the tokenization of asian cultures (anyone else saddened by the new Body Shop nailpolish called " zen " or the skin product line " Ayurveda " ?). if we are going to examine buddhism critically, and i'm all for that, i think it's important to start from the real facts. the list of " mantras " seems positive and seems like good words to live by, but the Dalai Lama's personal philosophy it is not. take care, mylène ++++++++ " [We] are only beginning to uncover our own truths; many of us ... would be glad just to lie down with the sherds we have painfully uncovered... The politics worth having, the relationships worth having, demand that we delve still deeper. " Adrienne Rich -------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 Just for the record, I would like to say that I know that the " mantra " email is not a mantra, has nothing to do with Buddhism, and most definitely has not come from the Dalai Lama. However, what I wanted to express is that the Dalai Lama is not a Buddhist. People who eat dead animals and thereby partake in suffering, exploitation, and death can not call themselves Buddhists. It is a sham. Buddhism is fundamentally about compassion, nonviolence, respect for all beings, and freedom from desire. Eating dead animals has nothing to do with these things. Nothing. How can he call himself a leader and not follow the most basic Buddhist principles? Ghandi was a true leader. In a speech he delivered before the London Vegetarian Society around 1931 he said " If anybody said that I should die if I did not take beef-tea or mutton, even under medical advice, I would prefer death. That is the basis of my vegetarianism. " Being a good spiritual leader means that you first understand the principles, and then believe in them strongly enough to actually follow them, no matter how inconvenient that may be. And in the particular case of Buddhism where the goal is to become free from desire, you can't just go around doing anything that immediately pleases you. A Buddhist that smokes cigarettes? Drinks alcohol? Eats meat? No, absolutely not, especially if you're an example to millions of others. Was it easy for us to give up eating meat? I mean did we really want to at first? Is it more convenient? Probably not, but we are vegetarians anyway and we do our best, even in the face of great difficulty at times, to stay true to our ethics and values. Can not the Dalai Lama do the same? -- Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com Powered by Outblaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 I read the Dailai Lamas autobiography and he states that he is a vegetrian, but he likes the taste of meat from his childhood, and if someone serves it to him, he will eat it " to be polite " . Personally I can't relate, but that's what he says. He's sort of wishy washy about meat eating, because he knows it goes against the basic buddhist principals to eat meat, but he likes it! As far as the book goes, hes basically a veggie. " Anna Blaine " <ablaine3 Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:52:51 PDT Re: Re: mantra > My stepmother is a Zen Buddhist. She is a vegetarian. I've spent time at a > Zen Buddhist monastery and all the monks there are vegetarians. They aren't > vegans, but they eat only the eggs and goat milk produced there at the > abbey. In fact, they would ask any visitors who brought meet onto the > premises to leave. So I don't know what's up with the Dalai Lama. > > -Annie > > > >srikanthk > > > > > > Re: mantra > >Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:39:07 -0000 > > > >I wish they were! I was on a Buddhist mailing list and was trying to > >talking to them about veganism...and they started out with the " well > >you hurt plants " argument and what not. One of them said that the > >Dalai Lama had asked her to eat meat. I made a few attempts to > >change them and then gave up <sigh>. Of course, not all Buddhists are > >that way. I have come across 1 Buddhist vegan. > > > >Srikanth > > > > , " Anna Blaine " <ablaine3@h...> wrote: > > > > > > I though Buddhists were vegetarians. Am I missing something? > > > > > > -Annie > > > > > > > " anji b " <vegan@g...> > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: mantra > > > >Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:44:45 +0500 > > > > > > > >No offence or anything but... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai > >Lama: > > > > > > > > > > 3. Follow the three Rs: > > > > > > Respect for self > > > > > > Respect for others and > > > > > > Responsibility for all your actions. > > > > > > > >Respect for self, by eating unhealthy dead animals? > > > > > > > >Respect for others, but mostly humans. > > > > > > > >Responsibility for all your actions, except for supporting the dead > >animal > > > >industry which causes violence and suffering, destruction of the > >body, and > > > >destruction of the earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. > > > > > > > >Like how the Dalai Lama breaks the first precept every time he eats > >dead > > > >animals? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > > > > > > >Well he can't follow all his own rules can he? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > > > > > > >Dalai Lama, why do you eat dead animals? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11. Live a good, honorable life. > > > > > > > >Is it good and honourable to eat dead animals while you preach > >nonviolence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15. Be gentle with the earth. > > > > > > > >A few dead animals here and there won't hurt eh Dalai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > > > > > > >How about a slaughterhouse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > > > > > > >Riiiiight... > > > >-- > > > > > > > >Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > > > > > > >____________________ > >__ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click./1/7076/6/_/651892/_/963942772/ > ------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > -- Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com Powered by Outblaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 hey folks, anji b wrote: >>Just for the record, I would like to say that I know that the " mantra " email is not a mantra, has nothing to do with Buddhism, and most definitely has not come from the Dalai Lama. << ok i wasn't actually assuming that you in particular or anyone had made that conclusion... just wanted to point out how a lot of asian religions/philosophies (and also those of aboriginal peoples) get distorted and oversimplified sometimes. >>Buddhism is fundamentally about compassion, nonviolence, respect for all beings, and freedom from desire. << *nod* that is also my understanding... >>Eating dead animals has nothing to do with these things. Nothing. How can he call himself a leader and not follow the most basic Buddhist principles?<< i know he was in my city recently, and the staff at the hotel of the convention he was attending made him a special plain miso soup... i had never known of the current Dalai Lama advocating or eating meat. is there somewhere i can get more information about this? >>Ghandi was a true leader. In a speech he delivered before the London Vegetarian Society around 1931 he said " If anybody said that I should die if I did not take beef-tea or mutton, even under medical advice, I would prefer death. << what do you think of the idea that to deny oneself the necessities of survival is an act of violence against ourselves? thanks for the thought-provoking post... mylène ++++++++ " [We] are only beginning to uncover our own truths; many of us ... would be glad just to lie down with the sherds we have painfully uncovered... The politics worth having, the relationships worth having, demand that we delve still deeper. " Adrienne Rich -------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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