Guest guest Posted October 7, 2000 Report Share Posted October 7, 2000 PETA Manages Double-Barreled Goof, Angering Christians, Dairy Industry >www.meatingplace.com, 10/6/00 by Bryan Salvage It doesn't fall into quite the same category as the miracle of the loaves and fishes, but People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals recently managed to turn one week's activities into two separate controversies -- on two totally separate issues. First, PETA chose the image of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin as its new " poster boy " for a new ad campaign claiming that Christ was a member of an obscure Jewish vegetarian sect. Not so, countered Dallas-based Kevin Orlin Johnson, PhD, author of numerous books on Christian beliefs. " The Gospels -- the most detailed records we have -- say explicitly that Jesus ate fish and lamb regularly, " Johnson said. Johnson cited the Gospel according to John (21:4-15), which has Jesus asking his disciples for fish and then eating it, as well as other passages such as Luke 24:42, which says that, " They offered Him a piece of broiled fish and a honeycomb " which " He ate in their presence. " The lamb that appeared on the menu of the Jewish Passover feast that Christians came to call the Last Supper is recorded in Matthew 14:12-14, Luke 22:7-8 and elsewhere in the Gospels. Johnson also cited Luke's (5:1-11) as a reminder that Jesus chose fishermen as his disciples and that He never said that it was wrong to eat animal flesh. " On the contrary, " Johnson said, " In Luke 11:13, Jesus used the eating of fish as an example of a good thing, and St. Peter was directly told to eat meat (Acts 10:9-16). " Jesus also gave fish to others, Johnson added, most remarkably in the story of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes, described in Luke 9:14-17. Johnson said he doesn't know how PETA could make its claim when the Gospels make such a point of Jesus' use of animal food. " I guess they didn't read it, " he said. PETA also managed to anger the National Dairy Council and the National Fluid Milk Processor Promotion Board with a broadside claiming that drinking milk is injurious to children's diets. Here's how those two dairy groups responded: " PETA's recent campaign is the latest example of its strategy to say anything, no matter how baseless and outrageous, to advance its animal rights agenda in the media. " Other than the widely accepted viewpoint that mothers should breast-feed for the good health of babies under one year of age, PETA's statements this week regarding milk and child health are not supported by any reputable health or science organization. " Among its current claims, PETA attempts to link milk and juvenile diabetes, a view again unsupported by sound science and driven by an animal-rights agenda. A review of the current research reveals that any results linking milk and juvenile diabetes are suggestive at best. PETA's other claims regarding milk and ear infections and colic are equally empty and not based on sound science. The diary duo also offered some good advice that the meat industry might pass along to its customers: " Consumers are advised to get their medical and nutrition information from trained health professionals -- not from animal rights activists. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2000 Report Share Posted October 9, 2000 I'm curious about the motivation behind this post. What is the relevance of some ostensibly angry Christians regarding the PETA position regarding early Christian and Jewish practices of veganism (and PETA's well informed position regarding milk) to this list? As a former Lutheran clergyman and as a person who has engaged in the study of biblical texts for over 40 years, I believe the position of PETA regarding the life of Jesus is correct. Anyone who has done any study beyond sectarian dogma knows that the New Testament texts were modified largely under the direction of Constantine who insisted that Christians must eat meat and who was responsible for the murder of many Christians who were vegan. Veganism became a heresy and biblical texts were modified to suggest that Jesus ate meat. Much of the practices and beliefs of the Essenes, aka. Nazorines, were made heresy by both the Christian and Jewish community under Roman influence. Jesus struggled against the heresy of Roman influence. Perhaps those who maintain a tradition closest to that of Jesus are the Hasidic Jews. I know many Hasidic Jews who are vegan. Even those who are not vegan, among them, believe that veganism is the most correct way. ~Ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2000 Report Share Posted October 13, 2000 It is relevant to this list because PETA's antics are an example to us all of what not to do. > I'm curious about the motivation behind this post. > > What is the relevance of some ostensibly angry Christians > regarding the PETA position regarding early Christian and > Jewish practices of veganism (and PETA's well informed > position regarding milk) to this list? -- Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com Powered by Outblaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2000 Report Share Posted October 13, 2000 I somehow missed the first part of this email,but I think PETA is very relevant to vegans....what did it say about learning from PETA about what NOT to do?? Just curious anji b [vegan] Thursday, October 12, 2000 9:50 PM Re: Re: (US) PETA Angers Christians, Dairy Industry I somehow missed the fi It is relevant to this list because PETA's antics are an example to us all of what not to do. > I'm curious about the motivation behind this post. > > What is the relevance of some ostensibly angry Christians > regarding the PETA position regarding early Christian and > Jewish practices of veganism (and PETA's well informed > position regarding milk) to this list? -- Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmacafe.com Powered by Outblaze eGroups Sponsor Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2000 Report Share Posted October 13, 2000 , " anji b " <vegan@g...> wrote: > > It is relevant to this list because PETA's antics are an example to us all of what not to do. > > > > I'm curious about the motivation behind this post. > > > > What is the relevance of some ostensibly angry Christians > > regarding the PETA position regarding early Christian and > > Jewish practices of veganism (and PETA's well informed > > position regarding milk) to this list? > -- PETA's antics? If some narrow-minded Chistian fundamentalists are upset with veganism, that's their problem and not mine. If anyone is interested in factual information and not dogma based on historical revisions, then PETA's claims are correct. The evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls and other early texts supressed by official Christianity (Catholics and Protestants) as well as most Jewish sects because of conflicts with dogma, support that the Roman influence that Jesus protested actually became the prevailing dogma of Western Civilization. As goes Rome and their anti-vegan beliefs, so does Western Civilization. Vegans need to know the truth and not let Christian " fundamentalism " continue to call the shots and make anti-vegan claims to support their beliefs that eating meat is the desire of our Creator. Fundamentalism is based on the lie within re-written textual accounts. The " New Testament " is a Roman fraud. Paul was a Roman subject and apologist. This was the heresy that Jesus protested. PETA makes that clear and no apology is needed. Paul was a terrorist, quite literally, for the Roman cause. We need to restrict our compassion to people and not distorted beliefs. It is sad to see such ignorance and narrow-mindedness prevail even among ostensible vegans. We need to read carefully all that PETA says and not be so quick to accept the " dogma " that opposes PETA. I support PETA 100% on this issue. Take some time to evaluate PETA's position. Those who disagree and protest the loudest are not vegans. Take some time and study the history of the times. I can suggest some texts if anyone is interested. Ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 I have to say I totally agree with Ernie here. My wonderful dinner just arrived and I must go eat, but I have to say YOU GO ERNIE. I can't beleive a vegan wrote that first entry either...Peta is my friend. Denial is my enemy. Ernie Karhu [erniekarhu] Friday, October 13, 2000 7:37 AM Re: (US) PETA Angers Christians, Dairy Industry , " anji b " <vegan@g...> wrote: > > It is relevant to this list because PETA's antics are an example to us all of what not to do. > > > > I'm curious about the motivation behind this post. > > > > What is the relevance of some ostensibly angry Christians > > regarding the PETA position regarding early Christian and > > Jewish practices of veganism (and PETA's well informed > > position regarding milk) to this list? > -- PETA's antics? If some narrow-minded Chistian fundamentalists are upset with veganism, that's their problem and not mine. If anyone is interested in factual information and not dogma based on historical revisions, then PETA's claims are correct. The evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls and other early texts supressed by official Christianity (Catholics and Protestants) as well as most Jewish sects because of conflicts with dogma, support that the Roman influence that Jesus protested actually became the prevailing dogma of Western Civilization. As goes Rome and their anti-vegan beliefs, so does Western Civilization. Vegans need to know the truth and not let Christian " fundamentalism " continue to call the shots and make anti-vegan claims to support their beliefs that eating meat is the desire of our Creator. Fundamentalism is based on the lie within re-written textual accounts. The " New Testament " is a Roman fraud. Paul was a Roman subject and apologist. This was the heresy that Jesus protested. PETA makes that clear and no apology is needed. Paul was a terrorist, quite literally, for the Roman cause. We need to restrict our compassion to people and not distorted beliefs. It is sad to see such ignorance and narrow-mindedness prevail even among ostensible vegans. We need to read carefully all that PETA says and not be so quick to accept the " dogma " that opposes PETA. I support PETA 100% on this issue. Take some time to evaluate PETA's position. Those who disagree and protest the loudest are not vegans. Take some time and study the history of the times. I can suggest some texts if anyone is interested. Ernie eGroups Sponsor Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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