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I think I might have just sent in an entire digest. Sincerest

apologies for any inconvenience caused. It was an

accident.

 

Ernie said:

 

> I also practice caloric restriction, meaning I won't eat

empty

>calories (junk food) or eat more than a 600 calorie meal. I

drink lots of water. Practice breathing exercises and do a

lot

of walking daily. I don't reward myself with food or " stuff. "

>I don't support a consumer mentality as a part of my own

 

 

I'd like to hear if you have any more insights on this Ernie.

What motivates you to be like this? What are the ethical

considerations behind it and how do they relate to

veganism? Did you think of this lifestyle yourself ?

 

I used to suffer from an eating disorder (bulimia nervosa)

for many (10) years and have only recently found my way

out of it. I still have a tendency to over-indulge. It's strange

how I can easily control one aspect of my eating (being

vegan- I've never 'cheated') yet I have trouble with portion

control and use food as an emotional crutch. I have

decided to give up 'empty calories' too but I still

occasionally slip up.

 

I would also like to point out that I am vegan for ethical,

rather than health/weight reasons. Is it unethical (for you)

to eat too much or to eat junk food? Why? Why do you count

the calories of your food? Is that necessary? I have always

found that it causes an obsession with what you consume.

I know you're against the 'consumer mentality' but what

exactly do you mean? Taking more than you need? How

do you justify to yourself that you live in a 1st world country

(I'm assuming) and have access to technology etc? You

can email me privately if it's too OT. I think it does relate to

veganism in some ways.

 

AV

 

PS I hope you don't think I'm being critical. I'm not at all. You

just sparked off a train of thought in my head.

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> I'd like to hear if you have any more insights on this Ernie.

> What motivates you to be like this? What are the ethical

> considerations behind it and how do they relate to

> veganism? Did you think of this lifestyle yourself ?

 

Like you and many others, my choice of veganism is an ethical

choice. I believe I should make that point clear. I don't want

to be sidetracked on the issue of one diet over others as a health

issue. Veganism is an ethical lifestyle choice for me, period!

Therefore that decision nullifies all other considerations for

the sake of argument.

 

People would argue I limit my health options by being vegan. I

reply that this is my choice and I accept all risks.

 

On the other hand, I do make other choices for reasons of health

in additon to my practice of veganism.

 

If I drink at least 1/2 ounce of filtered or clean spring water

for every pound of lean body weight: I am 6'2 " large bone

structured 200 lb and require at least 100 ounces of water

in addition to all other fluids consumed (juice, tea, etc.),

the water reduces hunger, thirst, and keeps the lung histamine

reaction down, reduces the buildup to toxins, etc.

 

I believe that water is the " fountain of youthfulness " and the

cure for most disease.

 

I've seen some people consume about 2500 to 3500 calories at

a single meal. Of course, these people do not look too healthy.

Binge eating is stressful to the body. I try to keep my meals

at about 300 to 350 calories but never over 600. Of course I

eat five to six small meals a day...actually snacks of salads,

fresh veggies, fruits, etc. I'm never hungry and never feel a

need to binge or eat junk food.

 

My total dietary practice is primarily ethical: veganism and

caloric restriction. An austere lifestyle is guided by the

practice of simplicity. I joined a sufi community in the 1970s.

The community is still on the same site: the first Shaker

settlement and HQ in the US, in New Lebanon, New York. We were

told that our community was the fulfillment of an old Shaker

prophecy that we were to be the new Shakers, practicing

simplicity in the new millenium.

 

If feel that simplicity is an extension of my vegan lifestyle

and a completion of the ethical message of veganism.

 

 

> to eat too much or to eat junk food? Why? Why do you count

> the calories of your food? Is that necessary? I have always

> found that it causes an obsession with what you consume.

 

I don't keep count but this is the way it works out from

observation and description when I am asked.

 

> I know you're against the 'consumer mentality' but what

> exactly do you mean? Taking more than you need? How

> do you justify to yourself that you live in a 1st world country

> (I'm assuming) and have access to technology etc? You

> can email me privately if it's too OT. I think it does relate to

> veganism in some ways.

 

As I said above, simplicity is an extension of veganism. Resources

are limited, thus it seems wrong not to restrict one's consumption.

Everything I consume is at the expense of something else.

 

I love plants too. I believe I can " commune " or communicate with

plants in my own way.

 

I am a gardener, as well. I practice Zoroastrian gardening or tending

plants in a non-violent manner. Thus I can eat their fruits without

destroying them. You can't eat meat without killing an animal but

you can eat from a plant without killing it. If you care and tend

your plants, you can and do improve their quality of life...

 

It's a long story but this is the simple substance of it.

 

>

> AV

>

> PS I hope you don't think I'm being critical. I'm not at all. You

> just sparked off a train of thought in my head.

 

No criticism taken. Thanks for asking. But critical discussion is

OK if not meant too personally.

 

Ernie

 

PS: I also exercise and practice Qigong, Tai Chi and a variety

of deep breathing exercises.

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I am finding a need to respond to this email.....I also, have had eating

disorders since I was very young, and the vegan lifestyle has nothing to do

with weight, but omiting sugar as a vegan, helps keep the carb cravings

down.

The vegan lifestyle being a compassionate one can apply to ourselves. Why

would we overeat vegan food, and hurt our bodies??

Just a thought. I am not by any means immune to overeating, but being vegan

helps me remember why we eat....

duncan [duncan]

Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:28 AM

empty calories

 

 

I think I might have just sent in an entire digest. Sincerest

apologies for any inconvenience caused. It was an

accident.

 

Ernie said:

 

> I also practice caloric restriction, meaning I won't eat

empty

>calories (junk food) or eat more than a 600 calorie meal. I

drink lots of water. Practice breathing exercises and do a

lot

of walking daily. I don't reward myself with food or " stuff. "

>I don't support a consumer mentality as a part of my own

 

 

I'd like to hear if you have any more insights on this Ernie.

What motivates you to be like this? What are the ethical

considerations behind it and how do they relate to

veganism? Did you think of this lifestyle yourself ?

 

I used to suffer from an eating disorder (bulimia nervosa)

for many (10) years and have only recently found my way

out of it. I still have a tendency to over-indulge. It's strange

how I can easily control one aspect of my eating (being

vegan- I've never 'cheated') yet I have trouble with portion

control and use food as an emotional crutch. I have

decided to give up 'empty calories' too but I still

occasionally slip up.

 

I would also like to point out that I am vegan for ethical,

rather than health/weight reasons. Is it unethical (for you)

to eat too much or to eat junk food? Why? Why do you count

the calories of your food? Is that necessary? I have always

found that it causes an obsession with what you consume.

I know you're against the 'consumer mentality' but what

exactly do you mean? Taking more than you need? How

do you justify to yourself that you live in a 1st world country

(I'm assuming) and have access to technology etc? You

can email me privately if it's too OT. I think it does relate to

veganism in some ways.

 

AV

 

PS I hope you don't think I'm being critical. I'm not at all. You

just sparked off a train of thought in my head.

 

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, " Jennifer Forbes " <missjforbz@n...>

wrote:

 

> ... but omiting sugar as a vegan, helps keep the carb

> cravings down.

 

This point is key. Sugar (refined white)is a poison. Many

people who become vegan later in life substitute their craving

for " heavy/hot " meat (what is described as Yang in Chinese

medicine) with sugar and starch. That's the worst thing you

can do. You must avoid sugars and starches (refined carbohydrates).

 

One of the best dietary guides I can offer is CHINESE HEALTH

AND HEALING by Daniel Reid. You can find the hardbound volume

on sale at Barnes and Noble for as little as $4.00... I've

seen it for $1 at Buck-a-Book. I buy as many copies I can find

and give them away.

 

While it does describe meats in the diet, it does say that

veganism is the ideal and most healthy diet. It shows what

foods you can substitute for meat and explains how to balance

the diet and modify for seasonal changes or to curb cravings.

 

My suggestion is to not deviate too much from the way your

body is conditioned to experience food taste and texture. But

you should know what fruits and vegetables have the same

dietary values of the foods you wish to avoid.

 

Other suggestions may be to avoid or restrict food from the

nightshade family.

 

The typical western diet is horrible for maintaining good health.

But it can be modified without seeming too different from that

which you have been conditioned to experience.

 

Ernie

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