Violence

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Yes, indeed.

 

>Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:05:36 +0100

> " Martin Lake " <martin.lake

>Violence

>

>Maynard, what are these problems that both modern (as opposed to ancient?)

>violent conditions and meat eating stem?

>

> On the question of discussing world issues on this list, I would suggest

>that this should be limited to dicussion from a vegetarian perspective.

 

I am 100% in favor of that caveat, and rhetorically I am 400% in favor.

 

>The links between violence and vegetarianism is a legitimate subject

>for discussion, but --

 

and vegetarians are not good examples of the ideal towards which

vegetarians are encouraged to strive. I know that fact very well.

And that's why other folks can make valid observations.

 

>there are many examples of people being violent to each other,

 

and vegetarians ONLY end one particular type of violence,

and it isn't a magic card to virtue, any more than one's

vote in a democratic election makes one a good persons.

Furthermore, evil persons can support any of the candidates,

and they can have all kinds of reasons for doing so,

and candidates supported for good reasons by good persons

can do really immoral things both inside and out of office,

and good people and good motives and good rationales can

be betrayed, thwarted, violated.

 

I don't suggest that we BELIEVE in vegetarianism

in the way some younger, and perhaps more naive,

persons suggest that we do, but there ought to be

a sense of whether or not vegetarianism relates

in any way towards " world peace " .

 

However, that was explicitly NOT my intention here.

My intention was for this INTERNATIONAL BODY

to study the ways vegetarians are affected by

geopolitical violence, the way vegetarians respond

(or do not respond) as vegetarians, why that is,

and whether or not there are opportunities for

combined or concerted responses to tragedies

AND (or) to overt inter-human violence as vegetarians.

 

We all know that some vegetarians are busy responding

constantly to violence by humans towards nonhumans,

but are vegetarians as such collaborating to respond

to violence by humans against nonhumans.

 

This topic is no less than " the problem of evil " ,

and to ONLY discuss overt violence done by

humans against nonhumans seems to

result from a real blind side, or serious " denial "

of the reality of what evil and violence are.

 

To continue to fail to respond to these problems

is to forfeit our right to speak in these areas.

 

>which can be examined without reference to the details

>of the dispute between them.

 

That issue should be put on the table,

and I maintain that every assumption about

the nature of violence should be studied,

as a university program in conflict resolution,

would study the violence, and not merely

support the assumptions or preaching of

one version of the " nature of violence " .

 

>Violence is violence, there is no excuse for it

>and violence begets violence.

 

Yes. Indeed. But complicity with structured

violence breeds more structured violence,

even if one " walks away from it " in hopes of

not fostering further conflict.

 

Maynard S. Clark

 

>Martin Lake

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