Guest guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 I'm concerned that this list is being politicized about issues which cannot be shown to have anything to do with vegetarianism, and often for issues which a number of true vegans will find deeply objectionable. We saw this in the Netherlands in previous decades where what was CALLED (the nomenclature) " the vegan movement " become nothing more than left wing social agendas and the advocacy of marijuana. DapperD72 - Dave - supposably " Vegan Action " hasn't shown us anything but personal opinions which touch upon diet by his BEING vegan (presumably), and the political opinions Lest this list become, like so many others, just a free-for-all with nothing but the advancing of personal whims, why don't we touch on dietary issues and vegan philosophy? I do NOT support Nader any more, nor do I support Gore any more -- any more than I would support Bush. I don't even think that Hagelin is " OUR candidate " . I don't think that vegetarians HAVE a candidate this time around, although there ARE many vegetarians who DO think that " Ralph Nader's the one " (to borrow a phrase from the Richard Nixon campaign of many years ago. I think that " Ralph Nader is the one " for some vegetarians and vegans and folks who consider themselves progressives, and IMO many of his criticisms need to be DIRECTLY APPLIED to our special collective concerns, not merely repeated parrotlike as so many self-styled activists have done. The level and quality of thinking vegetarians have shown in this campaign has been variable. I see little REAL understanding of the issues being advanced in this campaign period BY vegetarians around the insights of the various candidates to issues that affect us all, including the rest of Americans, around the way dietary choices affect us. The background of this year's MANY truly DIFFERENT political choices in the US campaign suggests to me that the insights just aren't being shared -- or just aren't there at all, since we see blatant electioneering for things like drug legalization, special preferences and protections for practicing homosexuals, etc. I have heard from fellow activists, and I echo, that this campaign has reminded us that many of us, despite decades of vegetarian activism, feel very little common ground with very many of the " new " (AND old) self-styled vegetarian activists of our time. Whew! Give me a day when people knew the issues. And give us a scorecard, like Common Cause would do. And if vegetarianism or veganism WERE the ONLY issue, I'd like to see how, as a vegetarian of 25 years or as a vegan of 23+ years I would feel about the various candidates -- on what they would do around food and diet. The many unfounded rumors that Tipper Gore is vegetarian, Hagelin is vegetarian, Nader is vegetarian, and even that Yasser Arafat is vegetarian -- are just flabbergasting. Rumors fly, and they fly on these lists as much as they fly anywhere else on the Internet. Whew !! Excuse me, while I get a breath of fresh air. Maynard S. Clark At 01:32 PM 10/21/00 +0000, truvegan wrote: >-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> >There are 2 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Black Support for Nader v. Gore > DapperD72 > 2. Cages in the War on Drugs > DapperD72 > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:01:38 EDT > DapperD72 >Black Support for Nader v. Gore > >Please freely forward this article far & wide, especially to any lists which >may be predominantly occupied by non-white people, who will thereby think >outside the box. > >Vegan Action >http://www.delphi.com/veganpower/ > > " The animals of the world exist for their own purposes. They were not made >for humans any more than blacks were made for whites, or women for men. " > ---Alice Walker > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:23:34 EDT > DapperD72 >Cages in the War on Drugs > >My friend Jesse, a Green marijuana legalization campaigner and vegan animal >rights activist in NY, brought this to my attention. He encouraged me to >forward it to these lists. Please cut & paste the URL's into your browser & >read all articles on the topic. The unity of oppression between human and >nonhuman victims of the fundamentally racist war on drugs, firmly supported >by both Bush and Gore, but opposed by Nader, must be recognized by all >factions of both the Green Party and the animal rights community if we are >ever to conquer the powers that be and return power to the people. > >Peace for all beings, >David ;^) >Vegan Action >http://www.delphi.com/veganpower/ > > " The animals of the world exist for their own purposes. They were not made >for humans any more than blacks were made for whites, or women for men. " > ---Alice Walker > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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