Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 << Twenty or more years ago, the hero/heroine smoked because it was still thought to look cool. Now, the image is the opposite. So, I think we are learning! :-) And with that, I think vegetarian hero/heroines are in the process of becoming more common. >> but the meaning of the word vegetarian is also becoming more and more diluded. if some creophagists(an old word for meat eaters, fun word, literally means corpse eater) don't have the motivation to be fully vegetarian, they'll lower vegetarianism to them. pesco and pollo " vegetarians " are a good example. like when some folks say they eat vegetarian most of the time, like it's something one can turn on and off. you either are or aren't vegetarian, that's the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 if some creophagists(an old word for meat eaters, fun word, literally means corpse eater) An excellent word indeed! :-) don't have the motivation to be fully vegetarian, they'll lower vegetarianism to them. pesco and pollo " vegetarians " are a good example. I think that this has been an issue in the land of veggiedom for a long time already. I have been vegan 15 years, and I actually think that there is better general understanding of that now, than there used to be. And if our movie heros start out being lacto ovo vegetarian, I still think that is a major step from being creophagistic... and anyway, I think it's true that movies tend to reflect society and that many current vegans started out themselves as vegetarians. I find that I am in a very small minority in that way, as I gave up dairy and eggs BEFORE I gave up meat. It was logical for me, but I can see how giving up the meat before the dairy and eggs is also a logical place to start. like when some folks say they eat vegetarian most of the time, like it's something one can turn on and off. you either are or aren't vegetarian, that's the way it is. The way I see, " eating " vegetarian " and " being " vegetarian can be two different things. I personally prefer to say that I " eat " a vegan diet (when diet is the topic) rather than that I " am " vegan, because what I choose to eat is something that is within my power. And I find that when I speak in terms of choosing a vegan diet, it seems more approachable. I'm not saying that I am different than anyone else. By saying, " I am vegan " , it makes me sound like I am different, and that is a mistake if I want them to consider doing as I do in that respect... which I do! :-) When I say " I choose a vegan diet " they automatically imagine doing that, and imagining doing something is a powerful step in deciding to do it in reality. And, I also feel that saying " I choose a vegan diet " is a more reliable statement about me than saying " I am vegan " . I have met people who say " I am vegan " and then they tell me about how they only have cheese occassionally. The way I see it, " being " something is often about image, and I think " being " vegan is beginning to be " cool " . So I think sometimes people claim that " title " because they like the sounds of it even if they aren't really doing it. And anyway, do ANY of us really deserve to say " I am vegan " ? At the very least, we ALL consume masses of bacteria everytime we open our mouths, we step on millions more everytime we place out feet on the ground. Then there's the larger deaths: the earthworms that get killed when we turn over our gardens, the bugs on our windshields, the small rodents that get killed during the large scale farming of the crops we buy at the grocery store. Really, I think all we can really claim to be is human, prone to hunger, wanting to survive with as little cost of our fellow creatures as we can manage. I think it's really just about doing our best. And those who eat a vegetarian diet at least part time, I think that is better than nothing. I think we should be commending them for what they DO do rather than critisizing them for what they don't. I think that approach is more likely to inspire their best to improve anyway! :-) Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 << And anyway, do ANY of us really deserve to say " I am vegan " ? At the very least, we ALL consume masses of bacteria everytime we open our mouths, we step on millions more everytime we place out feet on the ground. >> bacteria don't count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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