The way I see Choice

[Guest guest]

The reason I am pro-choice is because I think a person has the right to

believe that an embryo is not a life (In my opinion, it's a life-to-be, but

not quite yet life). Whether abortion is the 'removal of cells or not,

that's completely a question of opinion, and people have reasons to belive

that it is and that it isn't. Things I've seen in my life make it impossible

for me to be pro-life. I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion of their

own, but the problem is imposing your beliefs on others. I don't have a

problem at all with someone who believes that abortion is wrong. My problem

is when these people tell me that women who get abortions are all murderers

and they should all die, or rot in jail. Oftentimes I've seen people acting

like the life of a child (unborn or otherwise) is more important than the

life of a grown human being, so important that it doesn't matter how many

people die, as long as the life of the child is saved. I've never quite

understood that.

There are so many reasons for women to get abortions. Some aren't

financially stable; some just aren't ready to be a parent; some have had

'accidents'; some have been raped; some will die if they don't get

abortions. I don't think it's right for anyone to call these women

murderers, no matter what the reasons.

So, I do believe there is, to a certain extent, a connection between

abortion issues and vegetarianism. That's why I stopped ostracizing

meat-eaters and believing they are all bad people. I'm not saying eating

meat is like abortion. Nobody needs to eat meat. The only thing people

" sacrifice " when they stop eating meat, apparently, is their taste buds. To

have a child, a woman has to sacrifice her body, her soul, her entire life.

I'd like to know more about everyone's opinions on whether there is a

connection or not in this issue. And I'm really glad we're not all biting

each other's heads off :-)

-Belle

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Belle, I'm glad you brought this point up. Let me make it clear, I do NOT

consider a baby's life more important than the mother's. That's the heart of

the matter- no life is more, or less, important than another. If a mother's

life is threatened by a pregnancy, I believe the decision as to how to

proceed must be left to her. A terrible responsibility; a tragic situation.

But who better- on Earth- to make that decision? In EVERY other case, I

stand against abortion. This is consistent with respect for the sanctity of

life above all considerations.

I believe that the taking of life is murder unless it is the only way to

PREVENT murder. Financial difficulty is hardly a justification for the

taking of life. What if the evil oppressors whom we resist used this

justification (and they DO, don't they?) Easy for them to say,

" these rabble are causing us financial hardship, therefore we are justified

in killing them " . Let's face it, we are anything BUT financially- and

politically- expedient to their agenda. And of course, the same

justification is employed by those who take the lives of animals.

Regarding abortion, how can we compare difficulty in the parents' lives

to the ending of a baby's life? Hard times come, and hard times go; but

death is forever!!! As for rape- yes, this is a terribly traumatic issue;

but is it the baby's fault? Must she pay with her very life for a crime

which she did not commit? Let us address the issue of rape, in no uncertain

terms; the consequences of such brutality must be severe. But punish the

guilty, not the innocent.

As for considering meat-eaters murderers, what else is a person who

kills another when not threatened by that creature? And as for ostracizing,

well, I feel this is deserved, but as it doesn't serve to end the bloodshed

and save innocent lives, I prefer to engage them- but not to excuse their

crime. Are we 'fascists' for imposing our will on others? No. A thousand

times, NO. THEY are the fascists, for taking everything- even life itself-

from beings who have done them no harm. And if we stand by and allow

fascism, we too are fascists; and worse, for we claim to be better. I

believe in freedom. I believe we should be free to do as we please- UNLESS

it prevents others from doing as THEY please! That is the very delicate

balance we must strike. Is it possible? I believe it is, or will be when the

oppressors have been destroyed. Yes, destroyed- again, the defense of life

is the highest moral principle, superceding all others. Is it violence I

propose? No. Violence is the perpetration of force against the innocent.

Force used in defense of the innocent is justice.

As for the question of when life begins; well, it is worth pointing out

that medical science allows for the rescue and successful support of younger

and younger fetuses all the time; and I think sane people will agree that

science does not create life, it can only sustain existing life. So,

evidently life is present in these cases. Beyond this factual glimpse, I

believe we share a collective soul which draws us inexorably towards the

conclusion of conception as the advent of life in this plane. I feel it

myself, and I see it in the eyes of pro-choice advocates in every

uncomfortable conversation on the topic. Words may suggest otherwise, but

reflected in the eyes there is the jagged edge of truth, penetrating all

protests and rationalizations. Life cannot be quantified, or measured, by

intellectual parameters. Life is the manifestation of all that is glory and

grandeur. Life is majesty; life is love. And above all, life is sacred. In a

world where the sacred is despoiled day by decadent day, we must draw the

line somewhere, before all is commodified, raped, ravaged, and desecrated..

The line must be drawn at life, our blessing and our final bastion.

Peace and Blessings, Love and Light,

Robyn Unicorn Thunderchild.

[Guest guest]

--- Robyn Thunderchild <thunder wrote:

As for rape- yes, this is a

> terribly traumatic issue;

> but is it the baby's fault? Must she pay with her

> very life for a crime

> which she did not commit? Let us address the issue

> of rape, in no uncertain

> terms; the consequences of such brutality must be

> severe. But punish the

> guilty, not the innocent.>

 

I agree in some respects, but if the rape

victim...er..survivor gets pregnant due to the rape,

and the law tells her she must carry the child to full

term and she dosen't want to (for whatever reason she

may have), wouldn't she feel like this is one more

thing she's being forced into doing? I know I would. I

don't know where I stand on this issue. I think " No

one should be able to tell me what I should do with my

body " , then I think of the stupid teenagers (although

not all teens are bad, I happen to be one) who use

abortion of a form a birth control, so I think " Well,

maybe making it illegal isn't all that

bad.......but...what about the rape survivors? " To

each his/her own opinion...if they have one...

 

-Kelly

 

 

 

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