Guest guest Posted March 21, 2001 Report Share Posted March 21, 2001 Well, I've been off fighting the war... let's see, where are we? Briefly, (because the war's still going on, you know), First, no it is not alright to kill fleas, gnats, etc...; unless your life is threatened, and all non-lethal means of defense have been exhausted, after all means of prevention have failed. The formula is the same, whether the assailant is human or non-human. It never changes. Every living being has the right to defend him-herself from unprovoked attack. And, in worst case, mosquitoes can literally bleed you to death. So the question is: have you tried every non-lethal means of repelling them? And going deeper, have you taken the long-term steps to avoid such a confrontation entirely? Point being, killing is murder unless in wholly justified self-defense, and then only as a last- and I mean truly last- resort. Even then, it must be regarded as a tragedy, and the most extreme measures must be taken to correct whatever imbalance created this tragedy, so that it does not recur. Life is precious. Abortion is murder, because it does not fulfill ANY of the above-mentioned criteria to be otherwise categorized. Next, the fact that we have an over-population problem- and God knows, we do- is not justification for the murder of a baby, any more than going out in the street and mowing down innocent bystanders with a machine-gun is justifiable as a method of population control. Come on, now; for real. And, I might point out, there is an average 4-year waiting list for parents wishing to adopt in most states. If you are concerned about over-population (as we all should be), use contraception or practice abstinence. Next, it doesn't matter how early you abort, you're still killing. Life isn't measured in degrees; life is life. And we can say 'cells' until we're blue in the face; it doesn't make it true. Not cells, BABY. You can call a tree a windmill, but it's not a windmill, it's a tree. And, at the risk of utilizing a cliche', she's not a choice, she's a child. Whether or not you love her, God loves her. Next, I do not think it is selfish to choose not to have children. Why would that be selfish? It's your life, it's your decision. But once you DO have a child, it is indeed selfish (to say the least) to kill your child because he/she doesn't fit in with your plans. Sorry, too late- now it's NOT just 'your' life. Deal with it. Next, one person who commented is mixing issues; regarding comparative rights, between animals, children, and adults. I have not been speaking of rights in general. I have been speaking of one specific right- the Right to Life. This is the most fundamental of all rights, and it is one shared by all creatures equally. As for other rights, the term speaks for itself; " rights " not " anarchy " . Certain rights are more or less relevant to various groups. For example, the right to drive a car would be meaningless to a giraffe. These are issues for continuing debate, with the foundational premise for vegans being that every being should be accorded every right that is relevant, and possible in a finite world. As for children, certain restrictions must apply because children are not capable of exercising full rights in a survivable fashion. In the animal kingdom, it is the same; a mother bear protects and disciplines her young until -and only until- they are mature enough to fend for themselves. None of this has any bearing on the abortion debate, because a being must first be permitted to LIVE before rights become relevant!! We can dance around the issue forever, but it's all smoke. There's an inescapable truth here, and it is a point so central to our entire philosophical stance, that unless we resolve it, we will never be taken seriously as a movement. Conversely, if we DO collectively face the truth, we will be unstoppable. Truth is powerful, my friends. Truth is a juggernaut. And remember- if her life is negotiable today, might not yours be tomorrow? Bet on it. Peace and Blessings, Love and light, Robyn Unicorn Thunderchild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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