Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 On 1 Jul 2002 01:01:54 -0000, you wrote: > >Message: 13 > Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:08:25 -0700 > " oneal " <oneal >RE: Re: Vegetarian buffets...Complaint to ABUSE. > >Sure there is! However, after four such comments by this jerk, I figure >it's better just to go to the source. Let AOL do the job of policing >their own. The basic problem seems to be an absence of list ownership/moderation. You need someone to kick trolls and spammers out, and occasionally to keep discussions more-or-less on topic. If the list owner has abandoned the list, then the thing to do is for some one else to start up a new list, and for everyone here to move to the new list -- that is, to the new list and unsub from this one. You cannot get to transfer ownership of the list to someone else: I have tried in similar circumstances. Both the old owner (who had forgotten her password) and I tried: no good. They never even responded to our messages. Since the service is free, there's no point in complaining about it. I am already an owner of two lists, and my hands are full with other commitments as well, so I have no time to be an owner or moderator on this list. But it would be nice if someone would do it.... Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Farm animals don't live as peacefully as they used to, and don't live as peacefully as we often are told.. Here's what the Humane Society for the US says about currently farmed animals' conditions (note that they don't oppose eating meat) <A HREF= " http://www.hsus.org/ace/11513 " >http://www.hsus.org/ace/11513</A> This is from the EPA- the trend is away from small farms where animals roam, and towrds farms where animals are confined. <A HREF= " http://tinyurl.com/2by6 " >http://tinyurl.com/2by6</A> What we grow up with is our specific culture, and not neccessarily the 'best' ways. In China, people kill and eat dogs, and they think of it just as other people think of killing and eating lambs. In India cows are not seen as food. In the US dogs and cats aren't seen as food, rabbits are seen as food to some people and not to others. <A HREF= " http://www.fact.cc/FACTBackgrnd.htm " >http://www.fact.cc/FACTBackgrnd.htm</\ A> This is a group who wants people to be able to continue eating animal products, but thinks the current factory farm methods are inhumane Here are detailed descriptions of some farm animals' living conditions, according to animal industry and scientific journals. The references are included <A HREF= " http://www.avar.org/farm_animals.html " >http://www.avar.org/farm_animals.ht\ ml</A> These conditions happen to billions of animals every year.. 10 billion farm animals killed each year in the US <A HREF= " http://www.usda.gov/nass/pubs/agr01/acro01.htm " >http://www.usda.gov/nass/p\ ubs/agr01/acro01.htm</A> Worldwide there are 40 billion animals killed yearly <A HREF= " http://apps.fao.org/page/collections?subset=agriculture " >http://apps.fao.o\ rg/page/collections?subset=agriculture</A> McDonald's even increased the size of the cages for it's egg-laying hens, because it was small. 72 square inches is the new expanded floorspace for each hen (an 8.5 " by 11 " piece of paper has 93.5 square inches) <A HREF= " http://tinyurl.com/2nxs " >http://tinyurl.com/2nxs</A> here are some pictures and videos, because 'seeing is believing' (please excuse the emotional 'meatstinks' title) videos <A HREF= " http://tinyurl.com/2nyh " >http://tinyurl.com/2nyh</A> <A HREF= " http://tinyurl.com/2nyi " >http://tinyurl.com/2nyi</A> photos: <A HREF= " http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/chicken4.htm " >http://www.factoryfarm\ ing.com/gallery/chicken4.htm</A> <A HREF= " http://www.goveg.com/meetmeat.html " >http://www.goveg.com/meetmeat.html</A> <A HREF= " http://www.grandin.com/ " >http://www.grandin.com/</A> respected industry consultant describes slaughter techniques and other info about farm animal operations <A HREF= " http://www.veal.org/professional/resourcecenter/vealprocont.html " >http://w\ ww.veal.org/professional/resourcecenter/vealprocont.html</A> veal industry stating calves are kept in individual stahls -- ........... <A HREF= " http://www.geocities.com/holist2002/FarmAnimalLives.html " >http://www.geoci\ ties.com/holist2002/FarmAnimalLives.html</A> (credible info on how they live and die) <A HREF= " http://www.geocities.com/holist2002/MorePeacefulDiet.html " >http://www.geoc\ ities.com/holist2002/MorePeacefulDiet.html</A> (CDs compared to farm animals, and how to reduce the harms of anyone's diet ((omnivore, veggie, or vegan)) <A HREF= " http://www.geocities.com/holist2002/PlantFoodNutrition.html " >http://www.ge\ ocities.com/holist2002/PlantFoodNutrition.html</A> (excellent plant-based nutrition, recommendations of most respected nutrition groups, protein, B12, etc) <A HREF= " http://www.geocities.com/holist2002/GMOharms.html " >http://www.geocities.co\ m/holist2002/GMOharms.html</A> (actual harms of GMOs, how to easily avoid them -The person who does a little to help, when they can't help completely -is wiser than- the person who does nothing to help, when they can't help completely -Live your life as you wish, while preserving the same ability for all others- JaJ -Perhaps we cannot prevent this world from being a world in which there is suffering. But we can lessen the number of those suffering (and the degree of their suffering). And if you do not help us do this, who will? -from Camus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 spiritual people of many religions claim the eating of meat is bad karma/ethics/etc. as for the vitamins, i take the vegan vitamins bought through the pangea products homepage (i'm not on the computer that has all my favorite links, but i'm sure someone on here has it.. or just do a search.. it's one of the bigger vegan homepages). i take vitamins mostly to subdue my parents and friends who think it's " unhealthy " to eat vegan. the vitamins recommend taking 2 a day.. i take 1 a day if that (probably averages out to 1 every other day). and i feel great. don't think i'm lacking in any vitamins. ===== Jason Mayes ____ ___ \ /| /\ ____ | \ \___/ / \ \ / | /--\ | \ | | | | | _ \ / | / \ | THE | |___| | \ \ / |___ |___/ |___/ / \ \___/ X When you classify someone, / \ all your doing is limiting yourself and others. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2003 Report Share Posted January 19, 2003 oh yeah, I have been planning on getting those vitamins too. theyve been the best Ive seen, online or at stores. Currently I just take a multivitamin, and calcium sup. But I always forget.. :/ Anyhoo, the pangea vegan site url is: http://www.pangeaveg.com/ tis a good site. -margie ------------------ >spiritual people of many religions claim the eating of >meat is bad karma/ethics/etc. as for the vitamins, i >take the vegan vitamins bought through the pangea >products homepage (i'm not on the computer that has >all my favorite links, but i'm sure someone on here >has it.. or just do a search.. it's one of the bigger >vegan homepages). i take vitamins mostly to subdue my >parents and friends who think it's " unhealthy " to eat >vegan. the vitamins recommend taking 2 a day.. i take >1 a day if that (probably averages out to 1 every >other day). and i feel great. don't think i'm >lacking in any vitamins. > >===== >Jason Mayes ____ ___ >\ /| /\ ____ | \ \___/ / \ > \ / | /--\ | \ | | | | | _ > \ / | / \ | THE | |___| | \ > \ / |___ |___/ |___/ / \ \___/ > X When you classify someone, > / \ all your doing is limiting yourself and others. __________ woof! woof! I'm @dog.com Get your free @dog e-mail at http://www.dog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 Hey there Tina, The only vegan multis that you can get in Australia without having to mail order are the tablet, and not capsule, form of Swisse Women's. You can get them at most pharmacies, but not always the supermarket. They're a really complete formula and have the B12 and everything else. The only thing that you might want to watch for is the caffeine (in the form of green tea extract), since some people are against consuming caffeine. I've not been sick once since I've been on them, so I'm really happy with them. They're about $24.00 a bottle which has 60 tablets which lasts you about 2 months. In general, I do suggest multis (multivitamins) but if you're only after taking what you'd be missing from a vegan diet then the only thing that you have to watch for is B12. If this is the case, then Blackmore's has a vegan B12 supplement available almost every supermarket (Coles and Safeway) and pharmacy. Hope this helps Jenny > Message: 2 > Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:18:36 -0000 > " Tina <hsvgurl18 " <hsvgurl18 > Vitamins > > Hey guys, im new here! My name is Tina im 18 and i live in australia. > ive just gone vegan and im just wondering what kind of vitamins i > should buy coz i dont want to lack im certain vitamins?? do any of u > take vitamins?? if so, what ones?? thanks in advance if anyone can > help ) > *~TIna~* > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:30:04 -0000 > " Tina <hsvgurl18 " <hsvgurl18 > Karma > > Hey!! i was reading a book of karma recently and it said that its bad > karma to eat meat!! has anyone else ever come across this statement? > i like it!... > > ~Tina~ > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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