Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 dear all, we need your help to save a lot of life . to support peta action agaist kfc, i have drafted a letter, please take a print out of the same and mail it to kfc in bangalore. and mail me as soon as you have done the same. you can also change the matter and send it to them. do mail the same to all your friends, we should at least get 500 mails. any other idea is also welcome, seeking your support to save and savour life. jayasimha To Kentucky fried chicken, Brigade road, Bangalore Karnataka india Dear Sir, Sub: I support the campaign mooted by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), I am writing to address the cruelty imposed on farmed animals. Chickens are probably the most abused animals on the face of the planet. They suffer all number of cruelties, including being left by the hundreds of thousands to starve to death, having their sensitive beaks seared off with hot blades, being crammed eleven birds to a tiny cage along with the decomposing corpses of other chickens, and arriving dead in huge numbers from long journeys in extreme weather conditions. Basically, any and all abuse is allowable when it comes to chickens, who are, in fact, remarkable animals with distinct personalities and an intelligence, if allowed to develop, as advanced as that of cats and dogs. Most importantly, they feel pain, just like we do. Chickens today are typically crammed by the tens of thousands into sheds, each chicken with less living space than a standard sheet of paper. Modern chickens’ upper bodies grow six to seven times as fast as they used to—they are fed drugs and are genetically bred to grow so large and so quickly that their legs, lungs, and hearts often can’t keep up. Many of these animals, whose lives are miserable from birth, suffer lung collapse, heart failure, and crippling leg deformities. The breeding animals who “supply” the nation’s 9 billion chickens have been called Gallus neglectedus (“neglected chickens”) because their welfare is so often ignored entirely. These birds suffer from many of the same conditions forced on other chickens but suffer from them for a longer period of time. Additionally, the birds are forced to endure constant hunger from food deprivation and painful mutilations, including having their beaks seared off, their toes, spurs, and combs chopped off, and intranasal implants (plastic stick-like objects) inserted through male birds’ nasal cavities so that the ends protrude horizontally to both sides of their faces, preventing the birds from reaching through the cage to eat the females’ food. At slaughter, chickens are dumped from cages like so many rubber balls and then SNAPPED by their weakened and sometimes broken legs into metal shackles before their heads are passed through an electrically charged water bath that immobilizes them but often does not render them unconscious. The workers who hang the animals must work so quickly (assembly-line style) that animals are frequently injured. When the water “baths” are set below the level required to kill them, as they often are, the animals (unless they have died from stress and abuse before they’re even shackled) are alive, conscious, and bleeding to death after their throats are slit, and they enter the scalding tank ( scalding hot water for feather removal) still conscious. Many of them flap about and thus miss both the immobilization bath and the automated and manual (human) neck-slicers and are still completely conscious when they are scalded to death. I request KFC to replace crude and ineffective electric stunning and throat-slitting with gas killing; phasing out the forced rapid growth of chickens, which causes metabolic disorders and lameness; increasing the space allotted per bird; adding minimal enhancements, such as sheltered areas and perches in order to provide chickens with some semblance of their natural environment; and implementing automated chicken-catching, a process that reduces the high incidence of bruising, broken bones, and stress associated with catching the chickens by hand. Thanking you, ( ) Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Hi all, Jaya brings up some good points about what happens to chickens, but as vegans, i think it's important that we stick to the *real* issue - chickens shouldn't be used for food. If i were a chicken, i would feel quite insulted if i read that letter. Imagine if these were humans...'more humane' conditions would not be acceptable, and this should be no different for chickens. These *welfare* campaigns do almost no good. They validate that chickens are somehow acceptable as food for humans if they're treated 'nicely'. I know people that will eat at McDonald's now, thinking that the animals are treated better (good work PETA), which is absolute bullshit. Tell KFC to change their name to KFT and sell tofu strips instead. Tell them to release all the chickens. Tell them to go to hell. Just don't tell them to continue using chickens, no matter how 'nice' they are. Chickens are not ours to use. Period. - Dave Jaya wrote: dear all, we need your help to save a lot of life . to support peta action agaist kfc, i have drafted a letter, please take a print out of the same and mail it to kfc in bangalore. and mail me as soon as you have done the same. you can also change the matter and send it to them. do mail the same to all your friends, we should at least get 500 mails. any other idea is also welcome, seeking your support to save and savour life. jayasimha To Kentucky fried chicken, Brigade road, Bangalore Karnataka india Dear Sir, Sub: I support the campaign mooted by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), I am writing to address the cruelty imposed on farmed animals. <snip..> I request KFC to replace crude and ineffective electric stunning and throat-slitting with gas killing; phasing out the forced rapid growth of chickens, which causes metabolic disorders and lameness; increasing the space allotted per bird; adding minimal enhancements, such as sheltered areas and perches in order to provide chickens with some semblance of their natural environment; and implementing automated chicken-catching, a process that reduces the high incidence of bruising, broken bones, and stress associated with catching the chickens by hand. <snip..> ...end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Dave Shishkoff wrote: >Hi all, Jaya brings up some good points about what happens to chickens, but >as vegans, i think it's important that we stick to the *real* issue - >chickens shouldn't be used for food. Dave makes an excellent point. Here is a copy of the letter that I'm sending to the CEO of Tricon, which owns KFC (and Pizza Hut, and Taco Bell). If anyone wishes to also use this text, please feel free to do so (or to tailor it to your needs). David Novak, Chairman and CEO Tricon Global Restaurants 1441 Gardiner Lane Louisville, KY 40213 Dear Mr Novak, I understand that your company is coming under intense criticism from PETA, an organization that promotes the ethical treatment of animals. PETA makes the point that chickens are intelligent and sensitive creatures who, when in natural surroundings, form relationships and social hierarchies. PETA further argues that it is cruel to keep chickens in cramped conditions, and to cut off their sensitive beaks and other body parts. These are compelling points as far as they go. Perhaps, in response to this campaign, your company will improve the conditions of the chickens that it purchases. But I hope that you will go further, and find a source of protein to serve in your restaurants that is truly more humane and involves no animal suffering. There are many vegetable-derived sources of protein that can form the basis of delicious meals containing no animal products. I urge you to stop serving chicken meat and to explore these alternatives at KFC and in the other chains of restaurants that your company owns. Sincerely, Gerry Morgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 A side note, as a vegan who is more concerned about health issues than most, did you know that many of the " meat " alternative are laden with MSG. Neurotoxins that cause brain damage. Talk about a double whammy, KFC not only serves these poor defenseless creatures on a platter, they also splatter them with MSG. Food for thought, think about your food. Michelle --- Gerry Morgan <gjm wrote: > Dave Shishkoff wrote: > >Hi all, Jaya brings up some good points about what > happens to chickens, but > >as vegans, i think it's important that we stick to > the *real* issue - > >chickens shouldn't be used for food. > > Dave makes an excellent point. Here is a copy of the > letter that I'm > sending to the CEO of Tricon, which owns KFC (and > Pizza Hut, and Taco > Bell). If anyone wishes to also use this text, > please feel free to do so > (or to tailor it to your needs). > > David Novak, Chairman and CEO > Tricon Global Restaurants > 1441 Gardiner Lane > Louisville, KY 40213 > > Dear Mr Novak, > > I understand that your company is coming under > intense criticism from PETA, > an organization that promotes the ethical treatment > of animals. PETA makes > the point that chickens are intelligent and > sensitive creatures who, when > in natural surroundings, form relationships and > social hierarchies. PETA > further argues that it is cruel to keep chickens in > cramped conditions, and > to cut off their sensitive beaks and other body > parts. > > These are compelling points as far as they go. > Perhaps, in response to this > campaign, your company will improve the conditions > of the chickens that it > purchases. But I hope that you will go further, and > find a source of > protein to serve in your restaurants that is truly > more humane and involves > no animal suffering. There are many > vegetable-derived sources of protein > that can form the basis of delicious meals > containing no animal products. I > urge you to stop serving chicken meat and to explore > these alternatives at > KFC and in the other chains of restaurants that your > company owns. > > Sincerely, > > Gerry Morgan > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 I must respectfully disagree. You and I might know that making small improvements to insufferable conditions is hardly an improvement at all, but by taking an " all or nothing " stance, you are only going to alienate people, and the chickens will still be living in their 40 " cages with their beaks cut off. By taking a hard-line stance, we will be unable to reason with those that survive through the oppression of animals, and we certainly can't topple them at the size our movement currently has. The revolution that we all want to see isn't coming tomorrow, or next week, or even next year. In the meantime, if people can be convinced that a chicken's interests are worth considering at all, then it's a step in the right direction. While welfare campaigns might be doing *almost* no good, telling KFC to stop selling chickens entirely will do *absolutely* no good. If your goal is to be self-righteous and adamant, then perhaps you're right. But if your goal is to reduce the suffering that actual birds are actually going through, then incremental improvements are better than none at all. Please don't take personal offense at this. I certainly agree with you fundamentally, as I'm sure almost everyone here does. But I've come to realize that while we need to remain strong in our beliefs and personal living habits, when dealing with others practical compromise has probably done more to decrease animal suffering than unyielding dogma. Cheers, -- Tim Moore - " Dave Shishkoff " <dave " Planet-Vegan " Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:00 AM Re: write to kfc > Hi all, Jaya brings up some good points about what happens to chickens, but > as vegans, i think it's important that we stick to the *real* issue - > chickens shouldn't be used for food. If i were a chicken, i would feel > quite insulted if i read that letter. > > Imagine if these were humans...'more humane' conditions would not be > acceptable, and this should be no different for chickens. > > These *welfare* campaigns do almost no good. They validate that chickens > are somehow acceptable as food for humans if they're treated 'nicely'. I > know people that will eat at McDonald's now, thinking that the animals are > treated better (good work PETA), which is absolute bullshit. > > Tell KFC to change their name to KFT and sell tofu strips instead. Tell > them to release all the chickens. Tell them to go to hell. Just don't tell > them to continue using chickens, no matter how 'nice' they are. > > Chickens are not ours to use. Period. > > - Dave > > > Jaya wrote: > > dear all, > we need your help to save a lot of life . > to support peta action agaist kfc, i have drafted a > letter, > please take a print out of the same and mail it to kfc > in bangalore. > and mail me as soon as you have done the same. > you can also change the matter and send it to them. > do mail the same to all your friends, we should at > least get 500 mails. > any other idea is also welcome, > seeking your support to save and savour life. > jayasimha > > To > Kentucky fried chicken, > Brigade road, > Bangalore > Karnataka > india > > Dear Sir, > > Sub: > I support the campaign mooted by People for the > Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), I am writing to > address the cruelty imposed on farmed animals. > > <snip..> > > I request KFC to replace crude and ineffective > electric stunning and throat-slitting with gas > killing; phasing out the forced rapid growth of > chickens, which causes metabolic disorders and > lameness; increasing the space allotted per bird; > adding minimal enhancements, such as sheltered areas > and perches in order to provide chickens with some > semblance of their natural environment; and > implementing automated chicken-catching, a process > that reduces the high incidence of bruising, broken > bones, and stress associated with catching the > chickens by hand. > > <snip..> > > ..end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Dave Shishkoff wrote: >Hi all, Jaya brings up some good points about what happens to chickens, but >as vegans, i think it's important that we stick to the *real* issue - >chickens shouldn't be used for food. Tim Moore wrote: >I must respectfully disagree. > >You and I might know that making small improvements to insufferable >conditions is hardly an improvement at all, but by taking an " all or >nothing " stance, you are only going to alienate people, and the chickens >will still be living in their 40 " cages with their beaks cut off. By taking >a hard-line stance, we will be unable to reason with those that survive >through the oppression of animals, and we certainly can't topple them at the >size our movement currently has. It's important that we both support animal welfare (as Tim suggests), and continue to promote animal rights (as Dave suggests). The animal welfare position is fine as far as it goes, and I believe that we need to support those who promote it. But if those who believe in animal rights keep quiet about the animal rights position, then the animal rights movement will never achieve critical mass. KFC cares neither about the welfare nor the rights of the chickens that it kills. It only cares about whether its customers continue to buy its product. As a publicly traded company in the US, it has a legal obligation to protect its share price, so it's unlikely to switch to tofu overnight. The only way we're going to make KFC stop killing chickens is by influencing consumers, so that KFC finds it more profitable to do so. Of course, in KFC's eyes, we are all potential consumers, so it does no harm to write and tell them why we are not buying their product, whether it's because the chickens are maltreated or because they are not made of tofu. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2003 Report Share Posted January 23, 2003 Hey Tim, > I must respectfully disagree. > > You and I might know that making small improvements to insufferable > conditions is hardly an improvement at all, but by taking an " all or > nothing " stance, you are only going to alienate people, and the chickens > will still be living in their 40 " cages with their beaks cut off. And it's my belief if activists took similar baby-steps in liberating human slaves we'd probably still see them commonly. But they'd be treated real nice! > By taking > a hard-line stance, we will be unable to reason with those that survive > through the oppression of animals, and we certainly can't topple them at the > size our movement currently has. The revolution that we all want to see > isn't coming tomorrow, or next week, or even next year. True, but i'd say it isn't because *i'm* compromising. > In the meantime, if > people can be convinced that a chicken's interests are worth considering at > all, then it's a step in the right direction. I will give PETA and welfarists credit for this. I am glad that they're making this a media issue, and that they are making the corps admit that they abuse animals. > While welfare campaigns might be doing *almost* no good, telling KFC to stop > selling chickens entirely will do *absolutely* no good. Exactly. My point is not to talk to KFC, but to talk to the people that frequent this place. They're the ones that pay for 700 million chickens to be killed every year by this company. And they're much more likely to avoid these places. McD's just posted their first quarter loss in profits EVER. I believe if PETA had kept the pressure on two or three years ago, this would have happened a lot sooner. By placing a moratorium on an undeserving corporation like McD they undermine the animals used. People who were avoiding McD will now frequent the place because they think it's 'better' (i have seen this first hand), and by not encouraging people to stand outside their steps. PETA's campaigns dept. is media-centric. By claiming these 'victories' they get media attention. By moving on to a new target they get the same attention. The media doesn't care if they've been protesting someplace for a year and a half. At PETA's IGC, success is based on how much media coverage an event got. > If your goal is to > be self-righteous and adamant, then perhaps you're right. But if your goal > is to reduce the suffering that actual birds are actually going through, > then incremental improvements are better than none at all. My goal is to eliminate human use of non-human animals. (Eliminating suffering is impossible, since chickens in the wild would have other problems..) > Please don't take personal offense at this. I certainly agree with you > fundamentally, as I'm sure almost everyone here does. I agree. =) > But I've come to > realize that while we need to remain strong in our beliefs and personal > living habits, when dealing with others practical compromise has probably > done more to decrease animal suffering than unyielding dogma. Just out of curiosity, do you think i am being dogmatic? It's a very real fact that chickens are suffering. It's pretty clear they don't want to be killed by humans. It's a fact that humans don't need to eat chickens. I don't believe this is dogmatic, but please correct me if i'm wrong.. And don't get me wrong, i'm glad PETA is doing *something*, i have differing thoughts on how they could make their energies more productive. In a month or so, KFC will claim they're complying with PETA's demands, there'll be another big media hub-bub, and PETA will move on to their next target... Once all the major animal abusers are complying by the same standards, what then? Will PETA start this circular campaign, getting even bigger cages? How long will this go on, and how does this lead to liberation? My thoughts...and fears. - Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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