Always Think Of Krsna75/10/27 Nairobi, Bhagavad-gita 7.1

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Prabhupada:

sri bhagavan uvaca

mayy asakta-manah partha

yogam yunjan mad-asrayah

asamsayam samagram mam

yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu

 [bg. 7.1]

Krsna, Bhagavan, the Supreme... Bhagavan means...

Bhaga means opulence. Just like we use the word

bhagyavan. From this bhagya, " fortune, " comes the word

bhaga. So personally the Supreme Bhagavan or

Bhagavan... Bhagavan is never unfortunate. If somebody

claims that he is Bhagavan, but Bhagavan is never

unfortunate. He is always fortunate. Sannam bhaga

itingana.

There are six kinds of opulences. Which one possesses

in full, He is called Bhagavan. There is meaning. So

we have several times explained: aisvaryasya

samagrasya viryasya yasasah sriyah. The Supreme

Personality of Godhead, because He is the proprietor

of all wealth, sarva-loka-mahesvaram, He is the

proprietor of all the planets, all the universes, so

who can be fortunate than Him? Bhoktaram yajna-tapasam

sarva-loka-mahesvaram [bg. 5.29]. If you have got one

lakh shillings or ten lakh shillings we think we have

become very rich. But Krsna says,

sarva-loka-mahesvaram: " I am the proprietor of all the

planets. " So who can become richer than Him? Therefore

He is Bhagavan. The highest rich man, the richest

person is called Bhagavan. Nobody can claim that he is

the richest. That is not possible. So one who claims

that " I am the richest. Nobody is equal to Me, and

nobody is greater than Me, " He is Bhagavan. Mattah

parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya: [bg. 7.7]

" Nobody is greater than Me. " That is Bhagavan.

Bhagavan cannot be so cheap that anyone can claim that

" I am God. I am Bhagavan. " That is cheating. He must

prove first of all that he is the richest of everyone.

Not only richest, aisvaryasya samagrasya viryasya, in

strength also. Viryasya. Viryasya yasasah, also

reputation.

Now, Krsna is, at least in this material world, in

this planet, everyone knows Krsna. Who is such a

person who is so famous all over the world? Especially

since we have started this Krsna consciousness

movement, anywhere we go, they chant, " Hare Krsna. " As

soon as they see us, our men, jokingly or seriously

they chant, " Hare Krsna. " When I was first coming to

Nairobi from London, the plane stopped at Athens at

twelve o'clock at night. So we got down and was in the

public room, and some young men, immediately they

began to chant, " Hare Krsna, " at twelve o'clock.

(laughter) So Krsna is so famous at twelve o'clock in

Athens even. Who is such a person within this world?

This is Bhagavan. Aisvaryasya samagrasya viryasya

yasasah. Yasah mean reputation. He is so reputed.

Anywhere Krsna is known.

So yasasah sriyah. Sriya, beauty. Krsna is so

beautiful, nobody can surpass Him.

Kandarpa-koti-kamaniya-visesa-sobham [bs. 5.30].

Although He is blackish, but He is so beautiful, He

enchants the most beautiful, Radharani. So aisvaryasya

samagrasya viryasya yasasah sriyah. Sri means beauty.

He is so beautiful. Therefore His name is Krsna. On

account of His beauty, He attracts everyone. Beauty

attracts. So nobody can be more beautiful than Krsna.

Aisvaryasya yasasah sriyah, and jnana. Not only He is

beautiful... Just like a flower, very beautiful to see

but no good smell, no aroma -- useless. So Krsna is

not only beautiful, but He is the most wise. He spoke

Bhagavad-gita. Five thousand years ago He spoke. Still

big, big scholars, religionists, philosophers, they

studying. This is called jnana. Aisvaryasya samagrasya

viryasya yasasah sriyah, jnana and vairagya. Vairagya

means renouncement. So Krsna claims that He is the

proprietor of all the planet, but if you think, " Where

is Krsna? Let me find out. He is the proprietor, " oh,

that you cannot find out. Vairagya. Although He is the

proprietor of all the planets, you won't find Him

within this material world, although His authority is

going on. Just like the president of your country is

not to be seen everywhere, but his authority is going

on. Mat-sthani sarva-bhutani naham tesu avasthitah.

Everything is situated on Krsna's opulence, but not

that you will find Krsna there. You will find Krsna

there when you are advanced. Otherwise you will not

find. Mat-sthani sarva-bhutani naham tesu avasthitah.

Krsna is situated everything, but still, you cannot

see in Krsna unless you have got eyes to see. That is

Krsna consciousness movement, to give you the eyes to

see Krsna everywhere. So how this thing can be done?

So if you are serious, then you can see Krsna.

So that Krsna is advising in this verse in the Seventh

Chapter or throughout the whole Bhagavad-gita. Krsna

is instructing us how to understand Him. That is our

only business. This human form of life is meant for

understanding Krsna because we are very thickly

related with Krsna, just like father and the son. This

relation cannot be broken. Maybe son is out of home,

son may have forgotten, but Krsna, the supreme father,

He does not forget. He comes. Yada yada hi dharmasya

glanir bhavati bharata, tadatmanam srjamy aham [bg.

4.7]. So Krsna is so kind that He has come to explain

Himself, what He is. We should take advantage of it,

because this human form of life is meant for

understanding Krsna. Athato brahma jijnasa. That is

the Vedanta-sutra. " Now you should inquire of the

Absolute Truth. " In the Bhagavata also it is said,

jivasya tattva-jijnasa nartho yas ceha karmabhih.

Jivasya, all living entities, especially the human

being, his only business is inquire about the absolute

knowledge, Krsna.

But we are missing the opportunity. Nature has given

us the opportunity, possessing this human form of body

after evolution, 8,400,000 different types of bodies,

but there is no cultivation of this knowledge how this

evolution is taking place, how many different species

of life there are. We can see, but we don't see very

seriously. I see there is a tree in front of my house

and it is also a living entity. I am also living

entity. I have got very nice house, apartment, living

very comfortably, and the other living being, the

tree, a few yards from me, he cannot move an inch. He

has to stand up in scorching heat, in cold. He cannot

protest. If you cut, he cannot cry. Of course, he

feels, but he cannot do anything. This is also life

and I am also life, so why these differences? But they

do not consider, " How he has got this life, and how I

have got this life? " There is no university education

wherefrom they are coming, no knowledge. Still, they

are passing on as great scientist, great philosopher.

This is the position.

So our real business is to understand Krsna. So Krsna

is explaining Himself. Then there is no difficulty. If

you want to know me, you can imagine so many things:

" Swamiji may be this. Swamiji may be that, like that,

like this, like that. " They are all imperfect. But if

I tell you about myself openly that " I am like this, "

then your knowledge is perfect. Everyone says, " There

is no God. " Somebody says, " God is there, but He has

no form, " and somebody says, " He has any form you

like. Imagine any form. " In this way speculation is

going on all over the world. Actually they are not

interested in God. That is the plain simple thing.

They do not want to know God, and they think there is

no need of understanding. But that is the only need,

to understand God. That they do not know. Therefore

they are called fools and rascals, mudha. Mudho

nabhijanati mam ebhyah param avyayam. So Krsna

therefore left His instruction behind Him that " These

mudhas, rascals, after studying Bhagavad-gita they may

understand Me. I am keeping behind Me. "

So we should take advantage of Bhagavad-gita. And even

though we take advantage, we interpret in a different

way. The same business is going on, how to kill Krsna.

Instead of understanding Krsna, the endeavor is going

on to kill Krsna. Asura. Just like Kamsa. He was

always thinking of Krsna. His sister was pregnant, and

it is foretold that " The eighth child of your sister

will kill you. " So he was thinking of Krsna, that " The

eighth child..., " but with a purpose to kill Him. That

is the business of the asuras, how to wipe out Krsna,

Kamsa philosophy. So we haven't got to follow Kamsa

philosophy. We have to follow Krsna philosophy. Then

our life will be successful. Anukulyena krsnanusilanam

bhaktir uttama. Anukulyena, favorably, favorably to

think of Krsna. As Krsna says, man-mana bhava

mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [bg. 18.65]. This is

favorable. Krsna never said that " Like My uncle Kamsa,

you think of Me, how to kill Me. " Krsna does not say

that. Krsna says, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji

mam namaskuru [bg. 18.65]. That will make your life

successful.

So here also Krsna says,

mayy asakta-manah partha

yogam yunjan mad-asrayah

asamsayam samagram mam

yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu

 [bg. 7.1]

" My dear Arjuna, I have already explained in the Sixth

Chapter that to become first-class yogi... " When

Arjuna was advised by Krsna to become yogi,

hatha-yogi... Hatha-yogi means to train the mind how

to become Krsna conscious. The mind is disturbed

always. This way, that way, mind is going, cancala,

restless. So the hatha-yoga system is meant for

persons who are too much under the bodily conception

of life, that " I am this body. " For them the

hatha-yoga is there so that by practicing several

sitting posture, controlling the mind, controlling the

senses, they can concentrate on Krsna or Visnu, the

Supreme Lord. This is yoga system. This is real yoga

system. Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam

yoginah [sB 12.13.1]. Who is the yogi? He is yogi who

in meditation, dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa,

always thinking of Krsna by the mind And gradually,

when he is perfect in samadhi, trance, he can see

Krsna.

premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena

santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti

yam syamasundaram acintya-guna-svarupam

govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

 [bs. 5.38]

Syamasundara. You have come to this temple. Here is

Syamasundara's form. You see always. Come as many

times as you like. See the arati. Hear the kirtana.

See the Deity nicely dressed. In this way the

impression of God will be within your mind.

Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena. And when you have got this

impression, if you always meditate upon Krsna as Krsna

advises, man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah, man-manah,

" Always think of Me, " that is the perfect yoga system.

Therefore, at the end of the Sixth Chapter Krsna says,

yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantar-atmana: " Of all

the yogis... " The Krsna and Arjuna was talking. Krsna

advised Arjuna to become a yogi, but Arjuna said that

" Krsna, it is not possible for me. Because I am a

politician, I am a soldier, I cannot sit down to

practice yoga superficially. My mind will be disturbed

in political affairs, in state affairs. " So, cancalam

hi manah krsna pramathi balavad drdham: " My mind is so

restless, it is not possible. " Then Krsna, to

encourage him, said,

yoginam api sarvesam

mad-gatenantar-atmana

sraddhavan bhajate yo mam

sa me yuktatamo matah

 [bg. 6.47]

" Anyone who is thinking of Me always, "

mad-gatenantar-atmana sraddhavan sa me yuktatamah, " He

is the first-class yogi. "

So we are trying to make our students the first-class

yogi. Always think of Krsna. This is our Krsna

consciousness movement. And Krsna is also saying the

same thing, mayy asakta-manah partha yogam. How you

can think of Krsna always? That is not possible unless

you become too much addicted. Just like if you love

somebody, then you can think of him always.

Artificially, if I say, " You think of Mr. John

always, " how you'll be possible? Artificially it is

not possible. If you have got some love for Mr. John

as a friend, as a lover or as somebody, or son or

master or something, then you can think of Mr. John

always. Otherwise it is not possible. So that

thinking, you can revive. There is relationship with

you, with Krsna. So you have to revive that

relationship. It is not artificial. Just like these

European, American boys, Krsna was unknown to them.

They are coming from Christian, Jews. So what they had

to do with the Krsna? They had nothing to do, but why

they are mad after Krsna? They are no longer mad after

anything. They have given up everything. Simply for

preaching in your country, they have come here. They

have not come as a businessman to exploit African

resources like other Europeans. They have come to

distribute Krsna consciousness. Why? Why the

responsibility they have taken? Because they have

learned to love Krsna. This is the basic principle.

Anyone can understand. Otherwise, do you think they

are poor men? They have come here to earn some money?

They are not poor men. The Americans are the richest

country. Any third-class man, he earns there 400,000's

rupees, any third-class man, and what to speak of the

first-class man. This is America. The lowest pay to a

person, whatever qualification, he has, must be at

least four thousand dollars. This is their law. So how

they can be poor? There is no question of poverty in

America. Nobody thinks, " What shall I do next? I have

no money. " Money is there on the street. Go and take

it and spend. So why they have come here, taking so

much troubles? Because they love Krsna, therefore they

have come. This is the... Mayy asakta. Asakta,

attached.

So we have to increase the attachment. Krsna is

already attractive, but we are trying to go away from

Krsna. This is our business. " Krsna may not touch me. "

We are so clever that " Krsna may not touch me. " This

is maya. Big, big scholars, big, big politicians, they

are writing comments on Krsna's book, Bhagavad-gita,

but their aim is very acute, that " Krsna may not touch

me. " This is going on. And then why they are writing

on Krsna's book? Now, that is their business. Because

this book, Gita, is very famous, so if they can

distribute their nonsense philosophy through Gita, it

will be taken very easily. Otherwise they do not know

Krsna; they do not know what is Bhagavad-gita. But

they take advantage of the popularity of Bhagavad-gita

and push their nonsense philosophy through

Bhagavad-gita. The purpose is to kill Krsna, Kamsa

philosophy. So, then, that way, they'll never get

Krsna. They'll never understand Krsna. Krsna says that

" If you want to know Me, " asamsayam samagram, " if you

want to know Me in full, completely, without any

doubt, then you have to follow this yoga system, " mayy

asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah.

Otherwise it is not possible.

So all these nonsense speculators... We use

purposefully " nonsense, " because they have no sense,

simply speculating. God is unlimited. How you...? Your

mind is limited. What you can speculate? " May be like

this, may be like that, " that's all. " Perhaps it is

like this. " All simply theoretical. It is never

possible to know Krsna, God, perfectly and completely

by the speculating method. It is not possible. If you

want to know Krsna, or God -- when we speak of Krsna,

God -- so then Krsna's formula must be followed, as it

is said here, mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan

mad-asrayah. The principal factor is to become

attached to Krsna. Attached means become a lover of

Krsna. Then you can understand asamsayam, without any

doubt. Without any doubt. Otherwise you will find

there are so many hundreds of religious system all

over the world. Ask anyone who are their follower, " Do

you know what is God? " They'll never be able to answer

clearly, because they do not know God. And if you do

not know God, then what is the meaning of your

religion?

Religion means to know God. Dharmam tu saksad

bhagavat-pranitam [sB 6.3.19]. One must know God, and

one must know what God desires. That is religion. Just

like you must know your government, and you must know

what government wants, expects from you. If you do

that, then you are a good citizen. And if you don't

know what is government, if you do not know what

government desires, expects from you, then what is the

meaning of your good citizenship? There is no meaning.

Similarly, to become religious without any clear

understanding of God is bogus, is cheating. That is

cheating. That is not religion. Therefore Krsna said

that " If you want to know Me, " asamsayam, " without any

doubt... " God may be personal, impersonal, or this,

that, but you must know it perfectly well. Don't say,

" Perhaps it may be like this. Perhaps may be like

this... " That is imperfect knowledge. That is no

knowledge. So therefore Krsna personally says, mayy

asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan. This is a yogi. This

is the first-class yogi. Krsna has explained that

yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantar-atmana sraddhavan

bhajate yo mam sa me yukta... [bg. 6.47]. So

sraddhavan bhajate yo mam, one who is worshiping Krsna

with sraddha, with faith, complete faith, bhajate, and

serving Him, so who is that person? A devotee. Without

being a devotee, how with faith and adherence and

reverence and obedience you can serve Krsna unless you

love Krsna?

So mayy asakta-manah partha. We have got attraction

for so many things in this material world. Somebody

has got attraction for his family, somebody has got

attraction for his wife, children, or somebody has got

attraction for some sporting, or somebody has

attraction for his country, so on, so on. We have got

attraction. That is not a new thing. We have got

attraction, but we have got attraction in different

subject matter, material. So this yoga system,

bhakti-yoga system, means you should be only attracted

by Krsna. That is wanted. Attraction is there. Nobody

can say that " I have no attraction for anything. " That

is false. Everyone has got attraction. If you have

nothing to be attracted, then you keep a cat and a dog

to be attracted. That is the nature. Especially in the

Western countries we see. He has no family, but he

keeps one pet dog or pet cat because he wants to be

attracted by somebody. This is nature. So here Krsna

says that " You have got already attraction, but in

false things which will not exist. You turn that

attraction unto Me. Then you'll get pleasure. " You are

attracted to something for getting some pleasure. So

that pleasure is interrupted because we have posed our

attraction in some false things. You have to change

that attraction to the real thing, Krsna. Then you'll

be happy. Mayy asakta. Mayy asakta. Mayi: " Unto Me, "

Krsna says personally. If you... Attraction means you

have to engage your mind. Mayy asakta-manah.

Attraction does not come in the air. The mind, mind

fully engaged in something, is called attraction.

So this is yoga, bhakti-yoga. And this yoga has to be

executed... Krsna says, mad-asrayah. " You have to

execute this yoga system, taking shelter of Me. " " Me "

means either Krsna Himself or His representative. Just

like Krsna says in the Fourth Chapter, evam

parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [bg. 4.2]. So

you have to learn this bhakti-yoga directly under

Krsna or under the direction of Krsna's

representative. So if you do this, then asamsaya,

without any doubt, and samagram, in completeness, mayy

asakta, asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac

chrnu [bg. 7.1]. So Krsna will explain, item by item,

how you can increase your attraction for Krsna. Then

you will be able to execute the bhakti-yoga system

under the guidance of Krsna directly or directed by

His representative. Then it will be successful.

So one of the Krsna's representatives, Srila Rupa

Gosvami, he has defined how this attachment can be

increased. He has explained adau sraddha tatah

sadhu-sangah. Adau sraddha. Just like you have come

here with some sraddha, some faith. This is required.

And you have to increase this sraddha, this faith,

more and more. How it can be increased? Sadhu-sanga,

to intermingle with the persons who are engaged in

Krsna consciousness. Adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sangah.

Sadhu means who is a devotee of Krsna. Otherwise he is

not sadhu. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, api cet

su-duracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak sadhur eva sa

mantavyah [bg. 9.30]. That is sadhu. You cannot create

sadhu unless he is devotee of Krsna. Bhajate mam

ananya-bhak. He is sadhu. So if you want to increase

your advancement in Krsna consciousness, then you have

to intermingle with the person who is sadhu, who are

sadhu, mean devotees. Adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sangah.

But sadhu-sangah... Then gradually you will be

inclined to execute devotional service as the sadhus

are doing, chanting Hare Krsna mantra, offering arati,

offering foodstuff, dressing, so many things. Sravanam

kirtanam visnoh smaranam pada-sevanam arcanam vandanam

dasyam... [sB 7.5.23]. The nine different types of

methods, that is called bhajana-kriya. And adau

sraddha tatah sadhu-sango 'tha bhajana-kriya tato

'nartha-nivrttih syat. Then anartha, all unwanted

things which you have learned unfortunately, that will

be finished. If you mix with, intermingle with sadhu,

then you will be purified, and things which are not

required at all -- artificially you have learned by

bad association -- that will be... Anartha-nivrttih

syat. Nobody learns to smoke from the very birth. He

has to eat something. He drinks milk, the child. He

doesn't say, " Give me a cigarette, " but you have

learned it by bad association. This is called anartha.

You have learned it, drinking tea, coffee, not from

the beginning of your life but by bad association.

Then this is anartha. So if you engage yourself in

devotional service, then these things will disappear

automatically. You'll find in our temple, we are

cooking so many nice preparations. Perhaps you have

tasted some of them. But we are not preparing tea or

coffee or meat -- nothing. These are anarthas. What is

the necessity?

So anartha-nivrttih syat. Then you become purified.

Then you become... When anartha-nivrttih syat, when

you are free from all these unwanted nonsense things

-- illicit sex, intoxication, gambling and

meat-eating... This is anartha. Then you, being

purified, then your faith in Krsna becomes confirmed.

Anartha-nivrttih syat. Adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sango

'tha bhajana-kriya anartha-nivrttih..., tato nistha.

Then you become firmly fixed up: " Yes, I shall

continue, Krsna. " Nistha. How this nistha, artificial?

No. Ruci, taste. You cannot do without Krsna

consciousness. That is called tato nistha rucis tatah,

bhavah, " Oh, Krsna is so exalted. " Sadhakanam ayam

premnah pradurbhave bhavet kramah. This is the

step-by-step increasing perfection of Krsna

consciousness. And when you are on the perfectional

stage of Krsna consciousness, then your human life is

perfect. This is Krsna consciousness movement.

Thank you very much. [break]

Reduce sex. Because material life means sex. Yan

maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham [sB 7.9.45]. In

the material world, not only in the human society but

also in the birds, beast, animal, insect -- everywhere

the sex impulse is very strong. And if you indulge in

sex life, then you'll be complicated more and more in

this material body. This is the law of nature.

Therefore whole Vedic civilization is meant for

curtailing sex life. First of all brahmacari, no sex

life. First of all training is brahmacari, how to

train him to remain without sex. That is brahmacari.

Tapasa brahmacaryena [sB 6.1.13]. Tapasya means to

remain brahmacari. This is tapasya. It is very

difficult. Therefore it is called tapasya, because the

whole world is attracted by sex life, pumsah striya

mithuni-bhavam, whole world, not only in this planet,

every planet, even in the demigods' planet.

So our this Krsna consciousness movement means not

bodily consciousness. The material world means bodily

consciousness: how to keep the body in comfortable.

But that is not possible. Body means misery. You

cannot keep it comfortable. That is maya. It will

never be comfortable, but they are all trying to make

it comfortable. This is called maya. Klesada asa

dehah. So long you'll have a material body you'll have

to suffer. So this Krsna consciousness movement is not

on the bodily platform. It is on the spiritual

platform. To come to the spiritual platform, it is

necessary that you reduce or make nil sex life. So if

one remains brahmacari throughout the whole life it

becomes very easy for him to go back to home, back to

Godhead. This is the secret. Therefore the whole Vedic

civilization is based on first of all brahmacari, no

sex life. Grhastha, that is also very regulated. Only

for begetting child one can have sex life, father,

mother, man and woman. So dharmaviruddho kamo 'smi. In

the Bhagavad-gita you will find Krsna says that " Sex

life which is prescribed by the religious system, that

is, I am. " Otherwise it is illicit sex. So illicit

sex, there is punishment. These things are there. So

tapasya means tapasa brahmacaryena samena damena va

[sB 6.1.13]. You have to control. The more one

controls, he becomes advanced in spiritual culture.

The yoga system means yoga indriya-samyamah. " Yoga

means how to control the senses. " This is yoga system,

and therefore Krsna says, mayy asakta-manah partha. So

sex indulgence is against spiritual advancement of

life. Therefore you have seen that the brahmacaris,

they go there. It becomes very easy to enter into the

spiritual kingdom. So that you can do here also. If

you increase your attraction for Krsna, then naturally

you lose attraction for sex. That is Krsna

consciousness. Therefore Krsna's name is

Madana-mohana. Madana means sex life. He can enchant

even madana. So these are things which the devotee

will learn by studying the literature. But even

without studying, if you sincerely chant Hare Krsna

mantra under regulation, everything, all good

qualification will come.

Devotee (1): Srila Prabhupada, you said that if we

asked the other religious sects what is God... [break]

Prabhupada: Nothing to do with any physiological,

anatomical. We have to see that we are advancing in

Krsna consciousness. So we have to eat something. We

have to eat the remnants of foodstuff taken by Krsna.

Prasade sarva-duhkhanam hanir asyopajayate. That is

our policy. We do not see to the physiological,

anatomical condition. That is not our business. That

is automatically done.

Devotee (2): Srila Prabhupada (indistinct).

Brahmananda: He says that according to Krsna

consciousness philosophy, the first living being was

Brahma, and in the Christian Bible it says Adam was

the first man. So he wants to know if in Krsna

consciousness scriptures there is any mention of Adam.

Prabhupada: Why you want to tally with Bible and Krsna

conscious literature? Do you think that Krsna

conscious literature has to tally with Bible? There

is, that " There is first living being, Brahma, " and

Brahma was also married couple. So you can take it as

Adam and Eve. That's all. (laughter) Why do you want

cent percent tally? But this nonsense theory, that

there was a monkey first of all, (laughter) Darwin's

theory, and from monkey, human being has come, this is

nonsense. So any other question?

Indian man (1): Swamiji, some religions, the guru, if

someone wants to be his disciple, he is being given a

sort of beads by the guru himself. Is it possible to

get beads through your worship?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is our process. When we accept a

disciple we give him beads, we give him direction.

Indian man (2): This mantra we chant for Krsna and

Rama both, but this movement glorifies the Krsna's

pastimes and not much of Rama.

Prabhupada: Yes, there is... Vaisnavas... Ramayana is

also approved. Ramayana is also Vedic literature,

Valmiki Ramayana, not any other. So we discuss Valmiki

Ramayana. In the Bhagavata there is discussion about

Ramacandra's activities. So we are giving

Srimad-Bhagavatam. There is Ramacandra's activities

there. Where is Ramacandra, which planet He is now,

that is also described in the Bhagavatam. So it is not

that we are without Rama. And our direct worshipable

Rama is Balarama, Krsna-Balarama. We have opened the

temple of Krsna-Balarama in Vrndavana. So Rama is

there. Ramadi-murtisu kala-niyamena tisthan

nanavataram akarod bhuvanesu kintu [bs. 5.39]. Krsna

has got many, many incarnation. Rama is also one of

them. So when we speak of Krsna, it means including

all the incarnation -- Rama, Nrsimha, Varaha --

everything. Ramadi... Therefore ramadi, " taking Rama

as the original, " murtisu, " in such forms, "

ramadi-murtisu kala-niyamena tisthan [bs. 5.39], " He

is existing. " Krsna is not alone. He is always

existing with His different incarnations, Rama,

Nrsimha, Varaha, Matsya, Kurma -- so many. So either

you worship Krsna or Rama, Nrsimha, Varaha, Matsya,

Kurma, anyone you can worship. We don't say that don't

worship Rama. We never say, because Rama and Krsna,

the same. We shall... In future we have got a hope we

shall start an Rama-Laksmana murti, yes, in some

temple. That is our worshipable Deity. We have got in

my room Lord Ramacandra's murti, Sita-Rama. So it is

not that we are neglecting worship of Ramacandra.

There is. Yes? Somebody else?

Indian man (3): Srila Prabhupada, Krsna, the Supreme

Personality of Godhead, is controller of everything,

whole universe, everything. So why He is having these

demigods to help Him? Because He's controller, He has

got power to control whole universe, and why there are

all these demigods? Why He can't control this

universe?

Prabhupada: He can control everyone, but He has given

little freedom that He does not interfere the freedom

given to you. Otherwise He can control. Just like in

Bhagavad-gita, you will find, after explaining

Bhagavad-gita to Arjuna He is giving the freedom to

Arjuna, yathecchasi tatha kuru: " Whatever you like,

you do. " He is supreme controller, He can force him to

do it, but he doesn't do that. The little independence

you have got, you have to utilize it favorably.

Therefore Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam

ekam saranam vraja: [bg. 18.66] " You do this. " He can

forcibly make me to do that, but He doesn't do that

because He has given little independence, and He wants

that voluntarily we surrender, not by force. That is

wanted. Otherwise it is not that He cannot control

you. He can control everyone.

Devotee (3): Srila Prabhupada, when we are preaching

to Christian people or to Muslim people, is there

advantage in being familiar with their scriptures or

simply Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam?

Prabhupada: We are not preaching to Christian or Hindu

or Muslim. We are preaching to human being. We do not

see, " Here is a Christian. Here is a Muslim. Here is a

Hindu. Here is a white man. Here is a black man. " No.

Every living being, his duty is to understand God.

This is our preaching. This is our preaching, that

" You are living being. You are part and parcel of

Krsna. This designation, that ‘You are Hindu,' ‘You

are Muslim,' ‘You are Christian,' ‘You are this' --

these are all designations. Actually you are living

being, part and parcel of Krsna. Therefore your main

duty is to understand Krsna. " This is our preaching.

We are not going to convert Hindu into Muslim, Muslim

into Christian. No, that is not our... That is not our

business. He may think that he is Christian, he is

Hindu, he is Muslim, but we think that he is a spirit

soul, part and parcel of God. That is stated in the...

vidya-vinaya-sampanne

brahmane gavi hastini

suni caiva sva-pake ca

panditah sama-darsinah

 [bg. 5.18]

If one is learned pandita, he does not see Hindu,

Muslim, Christian. I went to America, I did not go

there to turn the Christian to become Hindu. No, I

never said that. Did I say, any, anyone, that " You are

Christian. You become a Hindu " ? No, never I said. That

is not my business.

Indian man (4): Just now you said we are all part and

parcel of God. What would you say is God?

Prabhupada: That we have explained, what is God.

Asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu [bg.

7.1]. You have to become God conscious. Then you will

understand what is God. It is not a so trifle thing

you ask me and, one minute, you understand God. That

is foolishness. You have to study the science of God.

God is not so cheap.

manusyanam sahasresu

kascid yatati siddhaye

yatatam api siddhanam

kascin mam vetti tattvatah

 [bg. 7.3]

Out of many thousands of men, one wants to become

perfect, and out of many millions of perfect men, one

can understand God. So God is not so cheap thing.

Therefore Krsna recommends,

mayy asakta-manah partha

yogam yunjan mad-asrayah

asamsayam samagram mam

yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu

 [bg. 7.1]

If you want to know God without any doubt, completely,

then you have to adopt this yoga. So first of all come

to the yoga. Then speak of God understanding. It is

not so cheap thing.

Indian man (5): Krsna consciousness is the oldest

teaching of God, or Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is mayy asakta-manah. That is

explained.

Indian man (5): But the Gita was written about five

thousand years ago.

Prabhupada: No. You have not read Bhagavad-gita. Did

you read? Did you read Bhagavad-gita?

Indian man (5): Yes, I read some portion.

Prabhupada: Then why do you say like that, five

thousand years?

Indian man (5): All the scriptures were written

(indistinct).

Prabhupada: Hm? What does he say?

Indian man (5): Then how come in the locational(?),

archaeological and ontological records, Krsna

consciousness is not mentioned by other religions?

Prabhupada: Krsna consciousness is always there. You

are calculating with reference to your age, but Krsna

consciousness is there. In the Fourth Chapter, you

read, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam:

[bg. 4.1] " I spoke this Krsna consciousness science

first of all to the sun-god. " Then how do you say five

thousand years? There is reference to the Manu. And if

we take the, all these advanced calculation, then it

becomes that forty millions of years ago Bhagavad-gita

was spoken by Krsna to the sun-god. Have you got forty

millions' history? (laughter) You haven't got even

five thousand years' even history. Your history is so

imperfect. So don't bring it into historical

reference. It is eternal. (end)

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 7.1 -- Nairobi,

October 27, 1975

 

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