Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 I used to have a big problem being vegan and having a animal-eater wife. In the beggining she didn't understand and she still doesn't. But today after several arguments we respect each other. The problem is our baby, which is being fed with chicken, cow, and fish. Her argument is that because she was raised like that, I was raised like that, the doctors tell to eat animals, otherwise they won't get the nutrients blabla bla (total nonsense). That's one reason why our societies are so messed up. no respect for life. Erik London-UK ---- Does anyone here in the list think that there's a link between becoming vegan/or veg and the use of hallucionegic plants ?? I have noticed that link with the psychedelic culture and I want to develop some theories about that. Thanks, Erik UK ------------------------------ > Message: 1 > Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:15:35 -0700 > " Thomas Perry " > <vegecentric > Re: Vegan falls in love with meat eater! > > I've been vegan for 21 years, and my wife vegan for > 6 years. Both our young > children have been vegan from birth. While I have > one or two meat-eating > friends, I personally could never live in a > relationship with a meat-eater, > and, long-term, with a non-vegan. I love cooking > vegan food (I do the > cooking at my place - see some of my recipes at > www.vegecentric.com.au), and > the older I get the less I want to have to deal with > food-related ethical > issues in my own home. Also, it becomes even more > problematic when raising > children if only one parent is vegan/vegetarian, or > different religion, or > whatever. > > If you can put up with living with a meat eater and > having a relationship > with them, good luck to you! Hopefully your good > example will convert them, > and that would be better for everybody. > > Tom > > > _> > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > -- Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions./design_giveaway/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 I worry about that because I am involved with someone who eats meet. he doesn't eat it very often and he does respect that i will not eat it at all; however, his family are huge carnivores and i worry then when we have a child there will be problems. His family does not understand my views and how I feel. They try to be a little accommodation at parties and such; however, that doesn't stop them from eating like cavemen and women and I worry that it will be an issue when the time comes. I can see them sneaking meat and milk to the child because they do not understand and I am not around to protest. Any suggestions? Erik F <borrachera wrote: I used to have a big problem being vegan and having a animal-eater wife. In the beggining she didn't understand and she still doesn't. But today after several arguments we respect each other. The problem is our baby, which is being fed with chicken, cow, and fish. Her argument is that because she was raised like that, I was raised like that, the doctors tell to eat animals, otherwise they won't get the nutrients blabla bla (total nonsense). That's one reason why our societies are so messed up. no respect for life. Erik London-UK ---- Does anyone here in the list think that there's a link between becoming vegan/or veg and the use of hallucionegic plants ?? I have noticed that link with the psychedelic culture and I want to develop some theories about that. Thanks, Erik UK ------------------------------ > Message: 1 > Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:15:35 -0700 > " Thomas Perry " > <vegecentric > Re: Vegan falls in love with meat eater! > > I've been vegan for 21 years, and my wife vegan for > 6 years. Both our young > children have been vegan from birth. While I have > one or two meat-eating > friends, I personally could never live in a > relationship with a meat-eater, > and, long-term, with a non-vegan. I love cooking > vegan food (I do the > cooking at my place - see some of my recipes at > www.vegecentric.com.au), and > the older I get the less I want to have to deal with > food-related ethical > issues in my own home. Also, it becomes even more > problematic when raising > children if only one parent is vegan/vegetarian, or > different religion, or > whatever. > > If you can put up with living with a meat eater and > having a relationship > with them, good luck to you! Hopefully your good > example will convert them, > and that would be better for everybody. > > Tom > > > _> > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > -- Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions./design_giveaway/ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 I have a vegan daughter (age 3 1/2) and son (6 months). My son is 10.5 kg, the average weight of a 13 month old (not overweight, just big for his age), and my daughter is also tall and healthy for her age. Feeding kids vegan food does take some forethought and planning (some babies have died from a protein-deficient vegan diet), but it can be very healthy if done properly. My wife wrote some good articles on raising vegan children (in Australia, but no doubt applicable elsewhere) for our newsletter, Club Veg, the first two of which can be read on my website www.vegecentric.com.au Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 Then find a partner who is vegetarian!!!!!!!!!!! And make vegan babies!!!!!!! spring muller <spring_muller wrote: I worry about that because I am involved with someone who eats meet. he doesn't eat it very often and he does respect that i will not eat it at all; however, his family are huge carnivores and i worry then when we have a child there will be problems. His family does not understand my views and how I feel. They try to be a little accommodation at parties and such; however, that doesn't stop them from eating like cavemen and women and I worry that it will be an issue when the time comes. I can see them sneaking meat and milk to the child because they do not understand and I am not around to protest. Any suggestions? Erik F wrote: I used to have a big problem being vegan and having a animal-eater wife. In the beggining she didn't understand and she still doesn't. But today after several arguments we respect each other. The problem is our baby, which is being fed with chicken, cow, and fish. Her argument is that because she was raised like that, I was raised like that, the doctors tell to eat animals, otherwise they won't get the nutrients blabla bla (total nonsense). That's one reason why our societies are so messed up. no respect for life. Erik London-UK The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1] Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Thsi si the biggest problem in all interfath relationships. Erik F wrote: > I used to have a big problem being vegan and having a > animal-eater wife. In the beggining she didn't > understand and she still doesn't. But today after > several arguments we respect each other. > The problem is our baby, which is being fed with > chicken, cow, and fish. > Her argument is that because she was raised like that, > I was raised like that, the doctors tell to eat > animals, otherwise they won't get the nutrients blabla > bla (total nonsense). > > That's one reason why our societies are so messed up. > no respect for life. > > Erik > London-UK > > ---- > > Does anyone here in the list think that there's a link > between becoming vegan/or veg and the use of > hallucionegic plants ?? > I have noticed that link with the psychedelic culture > and I want to develop some theories about that. > Thanks, > > Erik > UK > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Message: 1 > > Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:15:35 -0700 > > " Thomas Perry " > > <vegecentric > > Re: Vegan falls in love with meat eater! > > > > I've been vegan for 21 years, and my wife vegan for > > 6 years. Both our young > > children have been vegan from birth. While I have > > one or two meat-eating > > friends, I personally could never live in a > > relationship with a meat-eater, > > and, long-term, with a non-vegan. I love cooking > > vegan food (I do the > > cooking at my place - see some of my recipes at > > www.vegecentric.com.au), and > > the older I get the less I want to have to deal with > > food-related ethical > > issues in my own home. Also, it becomes even more > > problematic when raising > > children if only one parent is vegan/vegetarian, or > > different religion, or > > whatever. > > > > If you can put up with living with a meat eater and > > having a relationship > > with them, good luck to you! Hopefully your good > > example will convert them, > > and that would be better for everybody. > > > > Tom > > > > > > _> > > > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/ > > -- > > > > Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions./design_giveaway/ > > > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Dear Erik, I can tell you a few things why it is good to be vegan or a vegetarian. I am a vegetarian ever since I was born. My forefathers 3000 years ago were vegetarians. We do eat milk products. I am trying to cut down on those as well. But the reason my forefathers ate this way was simple. First, they ate what they planted and planted what they ate. Second, they believed that plant lives after being unearthed for a while. So eat what has life in it, why eat something which is already dead. Cow and the chicken eat grass and grains( something with life.). Why can't we eat those things ourselves and avoid the byproducts(the cow and the chicken. Third, if you throw meat in the dirt it will rot, but, if you throw grains in the dirt it will grow. Why? Because life is intact in the grains. Fourth, only plant life has antioxidants to keep our cells healthy, free from the radical toxins. The very oxygen we breath to stay alive kills our cells in the process of burning the fuel. The mitochondria is a furnace in our cells, when it burns O2 it creates free radicals and plant life has antioxidants that take care of it and these free radicals come out of our system through excretion. Fifth, when we kill an animal we release its soul, but with plants it does not happen that way, also we are not killing all the plants when we eat its fruits. Plants are a living thing but do not have a soul. If it did have a soul, it would have velocity, movement. Thus a tree would think and say this area is not good for me, lets go somewhere else. Sixth, our teeth are made for a veggie diet and not a carnivorous diet. Seventh, we can get diseases from animals if not careful and chances of getting anything from veggies is minimal. You do have to clean anything you eat. (mad-cow disease happened because they were feeding a vegetarian animal with meat). We do not see nature and learn. If you put meat and corn or grass near a cow she will only eat grass and corn and stay away from meat, I have seen this with my own eyes. Lastly, you are what you eat. I can go on forever about this subject. I come from a state in India called Gujarat, the whole state is vegetarian, well, except the muslims and christians living there. There are no butcher shops and there are no alchol shops and bars. Boring, some people say, but it is awsome. I hope you can spread this knowledge around. Take care. Regards. Atul --- Erik F <borrachera wrote: > I used to have a big problem being vegan and having > a > animal-eater wife. In the beggining she didn't > understand and she still doesn't. But today after > several arguments we respect each other. > The problem is our baby, which is being fed with > chicken, cow, and fish. > Her argument is that because she was raised like > that, > I was raised like that, the doctors tell to eat > animals, otherwise they won't get the nutrients > blabla > bla (total nonsense). > > That's one reason why our societies are so messed > up. > no respect for life. > > Erik > London-UK > > ---- > > Does anyone here in the list think that there's a > link > between becoming vegan/or veg and the use of > hallucionegic plants ?? > I have noticed that link with the psychedelic > culture > and I want to develop some theories about that. > Thanks, > > Erik > UK > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Message: 1 > > Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:15:35 -0700 > > " Thomas Perry " > > <vegecentric > > Re: Vegan falls in love with meat eater! > > > > I've been vegan for 21 years, and my wife vegan > for > > 6 years. Both our young > > children have been vegan from birth. While I have > > one or two meat-eating > > friends, I personally could never live in a > > relationship with a meat-eater, > > and, long-term, with a non-vegan. I love cooking > > vegan food (I do the > > cooking at my place - see some of my recipes at > > www.vegecentric.com.au), and > > the older I get the less I want to have to deal > with > > food-related ethical > > issues in my own home. Also, it becomes even more > > problematic when raising > > children if only one parent is vegan/vegetarian, > or > > different religion, or > > whatever. > > > > If you can put up with living with a meat eater > and > > having a relationship > > with them, good luck to you! Hopefully your good > > example will convert them, > > and that would be better for everybody. > > > > Tom > > > > > > _> > > > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: > - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/ > > -- > > > > Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions./design_giveaway/ > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ph/print_splash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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