Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Anthony WALKER <anthonykarl wrote: " Anthony WALKER " To: Opendebate post Thu, 6 May 2004 03:05:06 +0100 I notice that, as always, morality is absent (in the sense of socialist morality: i.e. do no harm) from the argument. Animals exist for you socialists only in as far as they serve humans. The question of animals` feelings or suffering is irrelevant to you. So you are dominionists. So what about the conservation of animal species which humans do not eat? Would there be any reason under socialism for pursuing it? You patronise the capitalist meat industry in as far as you advise others to eat meat. If you are a vegetarian for the purely selfish reason of health, then you must be aware of the health problems accompanying meat eating. Of course pharmaceutical companies have an interest in maintaining ill-health! How do they get their money, remind me? I am fully aware ~ unlike you lot, who believe in religious myths such as free will etc. ~ that Marxism is grounded on pre-marxian materialism, but that doesn`t mean it is static. Marx is not for me Holy Scripture, and just because he made no statement re: animal welfare, does not mean that as 21st century people, we ought not to take into consideration nonhuman animals in a free society. You are a hypocrite re: your “health-vegetarianism” and pro-meat stance. You are a dominionist, just as surely as the Christian John Henry. You are a 19th century Marxist, with all its limitations. For the issue of famine, you should read Tony Wardle`s articles in VivaLIFE Magazine. For the question of Marxism and animal rights, you should take a look at: http://sztybel.tripod.com/Marxism.html I see too that your socialist dominionism always takes an either/or stance: i.e. EITHER one is concerned for humans, OR for animals! You cannot comprehend a stance which is all-encompassing and truly universal and progressive. BIGGER THAN ANY HUMAN MASSACRE IS THE CURRENT WORLD HOLOCAUST THAT IS FACTORY FARMING! STRIKE A BLOW AT THIS DESTRUCTIVE AND BLOODY SYSTEM BY REFRAINING FROM EATING MEAT AND DAIRY PRODUCTS AND REFRAINING FROM ALL BY-PRODUCTS OF THE MEAT BUSINESS! www.viva.org.uk & www.vivausa.org Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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