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Hi Janet.

 

Thanks for the note. A few organisations (I respect each of them) who

believe that supplements are the only reliable non-animal sources are:

 

Vegan Society

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/b12/

 

Vegetarian Society

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html

 

Vegetarian Resource Group

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm#possible

 

After re-reading all of their info, I'm thinking I either have to go with

supplements or back to the eggs/milk option. Although my b12 levels have

been fine for years, a few months ago my doctor told me that I was

" borderline " and recommended a supplement to ensure I have enough. I just

can't see eating vitamins grown in a lab as being better though.

 

A couple of years ago, I tried an egg as I had been thinking of it for a

while. I thought I would really enjoy the taste, but I didn't.....and the

" taste " lasted for days. Ugh.

 

I'll have to give it some more thought I suppose. I know labels don't mean

much, but it would be strange to think I wouldn't be an official " vegan " any

longer. Where would I hand in my membership card? ;-(

 

Keith

 

> Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:42:17 -0800 (PST)

> Fluff <flufff_00

> Re: Re:Health Alert For Vegans

>

> I'm under the impression that you can obtain B-12 from tempeh and sea

> vegetables...any thoughts on this?

> And I agree with you Keith about using natural means to get vitamins and

> minerals. I do think synthetic vitamins can be bad.. Janet

>

> KEITH LAWRANCE <keithlawrance wrote:

>

> I've been a Vegan for 14 years, and I've read quite a lot about the B-12

> issue (is synthetic B-12 as good as natural? Although Miso being made in

> wooden vats has b-12, made in steel vats does it give the same level?

> eating

> organic gives you enough because you're bound to eat something " buggy " ,

> marmite/vegemite contains it.....etc. etc.).

>

> I've always felt that if I couldn't find it naturally in my diet, it would

> be a fairly " un-natural " thing to eat a synthetic version. It gives me the

> same (icky) feeling as when I've read science fiction that claims we'll be

> eating all of our meals in pill-form sometime in the far-off future. I

> think

> I'd rather eat cruelty-free eggs or milk than eat " chemicals "

> (fortunately,

> I haven't been forced to as my B-12 level has been ok just using diet).

>

> When I read the comments recently posted, that it's critical to

> supplement -

> I wonder whether I'm out in the wilderness on this.

>

> Does anyone have any opinions on this? I've been wondering about it for a

> while and don't have many other vegan friends to bounce it off of. Thanks

> in

> advance for your input.

>

> Keith

>

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I would think " artificial " vegan supplements would be far preferable to

supporting the cruelty that goes into egg production.

----- Original message -----

KEITH LAWRANCE

Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:23 PM

Re: Digest Number 1235

 

 

Hi Janet.

 

Thanks for the note. A few organisations (I respect each of them) who

believe that supplements are the only reliable non-animal sources are:

 

Vegan Society

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/b12/

 

Vegetarian Society

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html

 

Vegetarian Resource Group

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm#possible

 

After re-reading all of their info, I'm thinking I either have to go with

supplements or back to the eggs/milk option. Although my b12 levels have

been fine for years, a few months ago my doctor told me that I was

" borderline " and recommended a supplement to ensure I have enough. I just

can't see eating vitamins grown in a lab as being better though.

 

A couple of years ago, I tried an egg as I had been thinking of it for a

while. I thought I would really enjoy the taste, but I didn't.....and the

" taste " lasted for days. Ugh.

 

I'll have to give it some more thought I suppose. I know labels don't mean

much, but it would be strange to think I wouldn't be an official " vegan " any

longer. Where would I hand in my membership card? ;-(

 

Keith

 

> Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:42:17 -0800 (PST)

> Fluff <flufff_00

> Re: Re:Health Alert For Vegans

>

> I'm under the impression that you can obtain B-12 from tempeh and sea

> vegetables...any thoughts on this?

> And I agree with you Keith about using natural means to get vitamins and

> minerals. I do think synthetic vitamins can be bad.. Janet

>

> KEITH LAWRANCE <keithlawrance wrote:

>

> I've been a Vegan for 14 years, and I've read quite a lot about the B-12

> issue (is synthetic B-12 as good as natural? Although Miso being made in

> wooden vats has b-12, made in steel vats does it give the same level?

> eating

> organic gives you enough because you're bound to eat something " buggy " ,

> marmite/vegemite contains it.....etc. etc.).

>

> I've always felt that if I couldn't find it naturally in my diet, it would

> be a fairly " un-natural " thing to eat a synthetic version. It gives me the

> same (icky) feeling as when I've read science fiction that claims we'll be

> eating all of our meals in pill-form sometime in the far-off future. I

> think

> I'd rather eat cruelty-free eggs or milk than eat " chemicals "

> (fortunately,

> I haven't been forced to as my B-12 level has been ok just using diet).

>

> When I read the comments recently posted, that it's critical to

> supplement -

> I wonder whether I'm out in the wilderness on this.

>

> Does anyone have any opinions on this? I've been wondering about it for a

> while and don't have many other vegan friends to bounce it off of. Thanks

> in

> advance for your input.

>

> Keith

>

 

 

 

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I found a good website:

 

http://www.veganforlife.org/nutrit.htm#healthy

 

 

 

Dear Keith,

 

 

 

I, too, have had strong cravings for eggs, especially recently that i'm

pregnant. My mouth would slobber if i see someone eat eggs. I used to resist

it so much when my x-husband and I used to go for breakfast. I would order

scramble tofu " eggs " and he would order the real eggs. Although i would not

enjoy my dish, I used to still resist the leftovers he would leave on his plate.

 

 

 

Last week, I was shopping at Trader Joe's with my mom and my heart cringed with

pain when she bought a carton of eggs, even if they were eggs from a free range

chicken, it's still considered an animal exploitation because once those

chickens are unable to produce eggs any longer, they will be discarded and

killed.

 

 

 

The next morning, those cravings only got stronger and stronger. I even thought

of writing e-mail to the vegan list asking them for an advice. With great

amount of guilt, i ended up cooking two eggs and eating them. I have to admit

that I did enjoy them. It's been a week now and i do not have those cravings

anymore!

 

 

 

I still do not feel right about what I did because it's against my principles

and what I believe in... but it's behind me right now. I am still conscientious

about the pain and the suffering of animals and I am making a difference by

eliminating slaughterhouse products from my food and from products I use and

that what matters, not a vegan label.

 

 

 

I have one concern though. I am four months pregnant and I would love to raise

my child to be vegan. All my family members are carnivores and they all claim

that infants will need animal products to be healthy. Of course i know that

this is a misconception, but since this is my first pregnancy, I need help,

though, in getting all the information I can to raise a healthy vegan child.

 

 

 

If anyone of you knows of any good book I could buy or any good websites I could

visit, i would greatly appreciate it if you provide this info to me.

 

 

 

Thanx,

 

 

Suha

 

KEITH LAWRANCE <keithlawrance wrote:

Hi Janet.

 

Thanks for the note. A few organisations (I respect each of them) who

believe that supplements are the only reliable non-animal sources are:

 

Vegan Society

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/b12/

 

Vegetarian Society

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html

 

Vegetarian Resource Group

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm#possible

 

After re-reading all of their info, I'm thinking I either have to go with

supplements or back to the eggs/milk option. Although my b12 levels have

been fine for years, a few months ago my doctor told me that I was

" borderline " and recommended a supplement to ensure I have enough. I just

can't see eating vitamins grown in a lab as being better though.

 

A couple of years ago, I tried an egg as I had been thinking of it for a

while. I thought I would really enjoy the taste, but I didn't.....and the

" taste " lasted for days. Ugh.

 

I'll have to give it some more thought I suppose. I know labels don't mean

much, but it would be strange to think I wouldn't be an official " vegan " any

longer. Where would I hand in my membership card? ;-(

 

Keith

 

> Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:42:17 -0800 (PST)

> Fluff <flufff_00

> Re: Re:Health Alert For Vegans

>

> I'm under the impression that you can obtain B-12 from tempeh and sea

> vegetables...any thoughts on this?

> And I agree with you Keith about using natural means to get vitamins and

> minerals. I do think synthetic vitamins can be bad.. Janet

>

> KEITH LAWRANCE <keithlawrance wrote:

>

> I've been a Vegan for 14 years, and I've read quite a lot about the B-12

> issue (is synthetic B-12 as good as natural? Although Miso being made in

> wooden vats has b-12, made in steel vats does it give the same level?

> eating

> organic gives you enough because you're bound to eat something " buggy " ,

> marmite/vegemite contains it.....etc. etc.).

>

> I've always felt that if I couldn't find it naturally in my diet, it would

> be a fairly " un-natural " thing to eat a synthetic version. It gives me the

> same (icky) feeling as when I've read science fiction that claims we'll be

> eating all of our meals in pill-form sometime in the far-off future. I

> think

> I'd rather eat cruelty-free eggs or milk than eat " chemicals "

> (fortunately,

> I haven't been forced to as my B-12 level has been ok just using diet).

>

> When I read the comments recently posted, that it's critical to

> supplement -

> I wonder whether I'm out in the wilderness on this.

>

> Does anyone have any opinions on this? I've been wondering about it for a

> while and don't have many other vegan friends to bounce it off of. Thanks

> in

> advance for your input.

>

> Keith

>

 

 

 

 

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