Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 What do people think to this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm Cheers, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 On 21 Feb 2005, at 14:05, James Hodgskiss wrote: > What do people think to this: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm > > It's a combination of shoddy journalism and crap science. The study looked at malnourished African children who were given a small amount of meat and who obviously did better than on their originally lacking diet. Big surprise. To take the results of this pointless research and conclude that feeding children a healthy balanced vegan diet is " child abuse " just beggars belief. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 That's just what I was thinking. They've just been talking about this on Radio 2 (which I don't normally listen to, by the way!...). The pro-meat people seemed to have the presenter on their side, but I didn't hear any mention on the radio about the malnourished African children bit - it's almost as if they are trying not to emphasise that aspect of the study to much!.... I didn't catch the first bit of the discussion though. But describing those African children as vegans isn't right. They aren't electing to be vegan, but I would imagine they just eat what they can, so in a sense it would be more appropriate to say that their omnivorous diet is letting them down rather than saying their vegan diet is letting them down. - Paul Russell Monday, February 21, 2005 2:22 PM Re: Children 'harmed' by vegan diets On 21 Feb 2005, at 14:05, James Hodgskiss wrote:> What do people think to this:> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm> >It's a combination of shoddy journalism and crap science.The study looked at malnourished African children who were given a small amount of meat and who obviously did better than on their originally lacking diet. Big surprise. To take the results of this pointless research and conclude that feeding children a healthy balanced vegan diet is "child abuse" just beggars belief.Paul~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 James Hodgskiss wrote: >What do people think to this: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm From the more detailed description in The Independent, I think it's a very poorly conducted piece of research. The Independent article is here: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=613225 What the study really found is that the health of poverty-stricken seven-year-olds in Africa improves when meat is added to their diet. That seems intuitively likely to me. The researcher did not add a control group fed on a balanced vegan diet, yet she still feels justified in stating (as reported in The Independent) that it's " unethical " to feed a vegan diet to one's children. I've written a letter to the editor of The Independent pointing this out, and I've posted a message on the BBC page that James sent us the link to. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Heh. I left a comment telling them exactly what I thought! Well, I tried not to make it too long... But really, there were so many things wrong with that study it was difficult to know where to start! , Paul Russell <prussell@s...> wrote: > On 21 Feb 2005, at 14:05, James Hodgskiss wrote: > > What do people think to this: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 This is the comment I just left on the BBC site, I don't know if it will be included though; " My partner and I have been vegan since 1984. We have 4 children, aged between 19 and 7 years old, all life vegan. We are all in good health and happy, if anything we (parents) are a bit overweight, certainly not the pale, thin pasty creatures of stereotype at any rate. We don't take any suplements, though we make sure we have enough of yeast extract for the vitamin B12 just to be on the safe side. Our kids havn't been brainwashed, if they choose to eat animal products later its up to them " Cheers Graham in life it's up to them. , " gothcatz " <gothcatz> wrote: > > Heh. I left a comment telling them exactly what I thought! Well, I > tried not to make it too long... But really, there were so many > things wrong with that study it was difficult to know where to start! > > > , Paul Russell <prussell@s...> wrote: > > On 21 Feb 2005, at 14:05, James Hodgskiss wrote: > > > > What do people think to this: > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 I seriously think there needs to be another study into why such a flawed piece of research was carried out in the first place. If people like eye-openers, then splash the results from that around everywhere. - Gerry Morgan Monday, February 21, 2005 6:12 PM Re: Children 'harmed' by vegan diets James Hodgskiss wrote: >What do people think to this: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm From the more detailed description in The Independent, I think it's a very poorly conducted piece of research. The Independent article is here: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=613225 What the study really found is that the health of poverty-stricken seven-year-olds in Africa improves when meat is added to their diet. That seems intuitively likely to me. The researcher did not add a control group fed on a balanced vegan diet, yet she still feels justified in stating (as reported in The Independent) that it's " unethical " to feed a vegan diet to one's children. I've written a letter to the editor of The Independent pointing this out, and I've posted a message on the BBC page that James sent us the link to. Gerry Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 The Guardian published this bit about us today alongside a larger article about the study: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1419829,00.html Lucy http://www.veganfamily.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 James Hodgskiss wrote: >I seriously think there needs to be another study into why such a flawed >piece of research was carried out in the first place. If people like >eye-openers, then splash the results from that around everywhere. The UK Vegan Society (http://www.vegansociety.com/) has an item on its home page that mentions Professor Lindsay Allen's research, and says that it would be interesting to know who funded it. Does anyone on the list know how we could find the answer to that question? I have written to Professor Allen suggesting that her research does not support her comment about vegan parents, and asking who funded the research. It would be great to see more scientific studies of the vegan diet. Can anyone suggest who might fund one? Or suggest pointers to existing research? The problem is that, just as Prof. Allen's research will be open to criticism if it turns out to be financed by friends of the meat industry, so will " our " research be criticized if funded by vegans. But who else would want to fund it? Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Not a paper I normally read, but glad they printed the article.Better than the Times last Saturday which had an appaling article on hunting in Africa/ bear hunting in Cananda, which may have been tongue in cheek, but was still making light of it and doing nothing to condemn it. The Valley Vegan.......Lucy <lucy wrote: The Guardian published this bit about us today alongside a larger article about the study:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1419829,00.htmlLucyhttp://www.veganfamily.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Just found this on Indymedia; Vegan Children Some of the Healthiest in the World http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/02/305905.html Particularly interesting was the bit where Dr. Lindsay Allen herself says that the media reporting of her study was istorted and misrepresentative... Graham , " Lucy " <lucy@v...> wrote: > > The Guardian published this bit about us today alongside a larger > article about the study: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1419829,00.html > > Lucy > http://www.veganfamily.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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