Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 ~~ We have enslaved the rest of animal creation and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were to formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form. " William Ralph Inge~~ > " blue honey " <bluehoney > Re: Haying hello > > I think your correct.....Is this a strict vegan list? > I have never heard this phrase " strict vegan " I mean you either are or you aren't, and by the way I used to love that bacon before I became vegan. There is another bacon you can get that is so much better tasting that is made from tempah or something like that,(and its vegan) I will look next time I buy it and maybe you can find it. I just love eating those fake bacon and onion sandwiches...: ) Tammy : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 Tammy - Nice quote, I like that. Either you are our you aren't....I kinda disagree with that, both my car and my shoes have leather - I left my high paying job to get out of the system, and I just can't afford to replace these things (yet). I froze all winter last year because I refused to wear my leather jacket...but I still screw up and eat animal products by accident sometimes. To me, someone that is on a strictly vegan diet knows a lot about the foods that they eat and how the food was made (including the sugar that was used). Like the egg in that fake bacon, I kinda slip up and overlook things sometimes. There was a month or so when I would only eat fruit and nuts. Mostly because little critters get in the way of the big machines, but I read an article that said it was confirmed that trees and other plants feel anxiety and pain! I still have the gut feeling that the article was 100% accurate, but a fruit and nut only diet is kinda fruity and nutty here in Dallas TX (where there is a BBQ restaurant every mile). -andy > > ~~ We have enslaved the rest of animal creation and have treated our distant > cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were to > formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form. " > William Ralph Inge~~ > > > > " blue honey " <bluehoney > > Re: Haying hello > > > > I think your correct.....Is this a strict vegan list? > > > > I have never heard this phrase " strict vegan " I mean you either are or you > aren't, and by the way I used to love that bacon before I became vegan. > There is another bacon you can get that is so much better tasting that is > made from tempah or something like that,(and its vegan) I will look next > time I buy it and maybe you can find it. I just love eating those fake > bacon and onion sandwiches...: ) > > Tammy : ) > > > ------ > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! > 1. Fill in the brief application > 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds > 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2646/0/_/423093/_/955080274/ > ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 Andy, I'm starting to wonder if it's true about plants feeling pain. So, where would that leave us, being fruitarians? It might be something to look into. Considering fruits and nuts would not have to be harvested or even killed like soybeans after harvest of the pods, etc... I think you have a really valid point there. Wonder if there's a fruitarian website or email or newsgroup worth looking at. Please let me know if you find anything. I've avoided this because then, vegies would be a problem. Although the green bean is considered a fruit, I hear. Maureen - blue honey <bluehoney Friday, April 07, 2000 5:33 AM Re: strict vegan > Tammy - > > Nice quote, I like that. Either you are our you aren't....I kinda disagree > with that, both my car and my shoes have leather - I left my high paying job > to get out of the system, and I just can't afford to replace these things > (yet). I froze all winter last year because I refused to wear my leather > jacket...but I still screw up and eat animal products by accident sometimes. > To me, someone that is on a strictly vegan diet knows a lot about the foods > that they eat and how the food was made (including the sugar that was used). > Like the egg in that fake bacon, I kinda slip up and overlook things > sometimes. > > There was a month or so when I would only eat fruit and nuts. Mostly > because little critters get in the way of the big machines, but I read an > article that said it was confirmed that trees and other plants feel anxiety > and pain! I still have the gut feeling that the article was 100% accurate, > but a fruit and nut only diet is kinda fruity and nutty here in Dallas TX > (where there is a BBQ restaurant every mile). > > -andy > > > > > > > ~~ We have enslaved the rest of animal creation and have treated our > distant > > cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were to > > formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form. " > > William Ralph Inge~~ > > > > > > > " blue honey " <bluehoney > > > Re: Haying hello > > > > > > I think your correct.....Is this a strict vegan list? > > > > > > > I have never heard this phrase " strict vegan " I mean you either are or > you > > aren't, and by the way I used to love that bacon before I became vegan. > > There is another bacon you can get that is so much better tasting that is > > made from tempah or something like that,(and its vegan) I will look next > > time I buy it and maybe you can find it. I just love eating those fake > > bacon and onion sandwiches...: ) > > > > Tammy : ) > > > > > > ------ > > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! > > 1. Fill in the brief application > > 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds > > 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR > > Apply NOW! > > http://click./1/2646/0/_/423093/_/955080274/ > > ------ > > > > > > > ------ > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! > 1. Fill in the brief application > 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds > 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2646/0/_/423093/_/955110162/ > ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 Re: fruitarianism... the first thing to point out is that the reason most of us became vegans is not to " end killing " but to " avoid causing unnecessary suffering. " Plants do die, and the Jains of the world will tell you we have to avoid killing them, but they don't appear to suffer. Science's best evidence suggests that only things with nervous systems are capable of experiencing pain. The study that was mentioned, in which plants appeared to " feel " pain, has not been succefully duplicated in any of the numerous attempts to verify it. However, even assuming plants can feel pain, fruitarianism is still not the answer. The idea is to " avoid causing unnecessary suffering, " and any way you look at, we can't get all the nutrition we need from just fruit. Assuming suffering is based on something besides the presence of a nervous system, we probably would have to conclude that anything with DNA can suffer (in the same sense that plants can, e.g. reaction to adverse stimuli) - which means no vitamin b12 supplements. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-) Happy, Pete Burkindine Sophomore - Philosophy Drury University pburkind - " Maureen & Dale Smith " <maureen Friday, April 07, 2000 9:17 AM Re: strict vegan > Andy, I'm starting to wonder if it's true about plants feeling pain. So, > where would that leave us, being fruitarians? It might be something to look > into. Considering fruits and nuts would not have to be harvested or even > killed like soybeans after harvest of the pods, etc... I think you have a > really valid point there. Wonder if there's a fruitarian website or email > or newsgroup worth looking at. Please let me know if you find anything. > I've avoided this because then, vegies would be a problem. Although the > green bean is considered a fruit, I hear. > Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 http://www.fruitarian.com/ http://www.bury-rd.demon.co.uk/fruit.htm http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~f95-mwi/fun/ http://www.islandnet.com/~arton/fruit.html http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~f95-mwi/fun/links.html A web search will provide many more links for ya ange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 In a message dated 4/7/2000 7:18:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, maureen writes: << Wonder if there's a fruitarian website or email or newsgroup worth looking at. >> Here are a couple for you... Carol <A HREF= " http://www2.acorn.net/lists-ht/fruitnetrecipe.html " >Fruit Net Fruit Recipes (Menu = fruitnetrecipes)</A> <A HREF= " http://spot.acorn.net/fruitarian/ " >Fruitarian Network</A> When fruitarianism is defined as eating the product of plant, bush, tree, or vine (rather than the plants) it includes soybean and coconut icecream, veggie burgers made entirely with grains, nuts, seeds or other fruit products, fruit smoothies, salads of cucumber, tomato, avocado. Fruitarianism has .. much higher acreage yield than veganism .. is healthier than veganism .. is the only diet which does not involve theft or killing (plants or animals) http://www.acorn.net/fruitarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2000 Report Share Posted April 8, 2000 I looked at the fruiarian site and they do eat cukes and tomatoes. In order for me to grow those, the plant would have to be killed eventually, to plant a new garden. Even lettuce can be cut and grow again, but I didn't see that they ate that. What I saw was a very limited diet. Then it said you have to roast peanuts and cashews before eating. We eat raw cashews all the time and I don't know if roasting them (again) would make the oxalic acie turn into to toxic crystals that would harm your kidneys. I love my veggies and soy cheese. Alot of my periodontal dental problems were caused from dates and raisins and not flossing directly afterwards. The bone loss there is not reversible. Dh is going to a specialist and may have to have surgery for this very thing. My teeth are sooooo sensitive to fruits that I don't know if I could handle just eating fruits. I might be in tooth pain all the time. Roasted nuts and fruits are a little boring. I am looking into it further, but for now, being vegan is enough. Not that I won't eat a fruitarian meal occasionally, or be interested in some of their recipies. I did notice that the one raw food faddist I saw was not very slim either. Not that I am totally slim now, but usally I am an will be again, as usual at the end of the very active summers we have, but nuts are so high in fat! Does anyone know if raw food people and fruitarians are one in the same? Maureen - Pete Burkindine <pburkind Friday, April 07, 2000 7:53 AM Re: strict vegan > Re: fruitarianism... the first thing to point out is that the reason most of > us became vegans is not to " end killing " but to " avoid causing unnecessary > suffering. " Plants do die, and the Jains of the world will tell you we have > to avoid killing them, but they don't appear to suffer. Science's best > evidence suggests that only things with nervous systems are capable of > experiencing pain. The study that was mentioned, in which plants appeared > to " feel " pain, has not been succefully duplicated in any of the numerous > attempts to verify it. However, even assuming plants can feel pain, > fruitarianism is still not the answer. The idea is to " avoid causing > unnecessary suffering, " and any way you look at, we can't get all the > nutrition we need from just fruit. Assuming suffering is based on something > besides the presence of a nervous system, we probably would have to conclude > that anything with DNA can suffer (in the same sense that plants can, e.g. > reaction to adverse stimuli) - which means no vitamin b12 supplements. I'm > sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-) > > Happy, > Pete Burkindine > Sophomore - Philosophy > Drury University > pburkind > > > - > " Maureen & Dale Smith " <maureen > > Friday, April 07, 2000 9:17 AM > Re: strict vegan > > > > Andy, I'm starting to wonder if it's true about plants feeling pain. So, > > where would that leave us, being fruitarians? It might be something to > look > > into. Considering fruits and nuts would not have to be harvested or even > > killed like soybeans after harvest of the pods, etc... I think you have a > > really valid point there. Wonder if there's a fruitarian website or email > > or newsgroup worth looking at. Please let me know if you find anything. > > I've avoided this because then, vegies would be a problem. Although the > > green bean is considered a fruit, I hear. > > Maureen > > > > ------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2120/0/_/423093/_/955119283/ > ------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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