Guest guest Posted December 11, 2000 Report Share Posted December 11, 2000 I've been lurking on this list for a while now, and have really enjoyed the delicious recipes posted. I have also been terribly annoyed at the frequent postings about animal rights- and even more so when those people started attacking list members, accusing them of being in the business of killing animals, and other such insinuations. That is not on. While I applaud your enthusiasm for your cause, you have really overstepped the boundaries with these last mailings. From what I have read (and I have actually taken the time to read most of the relevant mailings), very few (if any) comments posted about the political mailings were attacking the groups sending them- all the comments I read were along the lines of 'that may be an important message, but this is not the place for them'- a sentiment with which I totally agree. There is no call to become nasty with the 'resident' members when they comment on this intrusion to our mailing list. I also wholeheartedly agree with Magdalena. I promote free speech, especially where it concerns defending those beings (human, animal, whatever) who are not able to do so themelves. However, as someone who has been active in other forums in this regard, I can give those people who are posting all of these political messages in this list some advice: You need to really choose your battles, and your forums for dissemination, otherwise the very people you are trying to reach will become angry with you and you will turn them away. Selective mailings, properly targetted, are infinitely more productive than trying to drown a recipe list in these mailouts! All you are achieving is turning those people who were perhaps not sure about where they stood on these issues against you, and therefore the animals you represent. And that serves nobody- least of all the animals you say you are so committed to saving. You need to learn a bit more about human psychology if you want your cause supported! ___________________________ http://clubs..au - Clubs - Join a club or build your own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 In a message dated 8/21/2001 6:26:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, woodfairie writes: It is wonderful that you have the time to cook all your own meals, or that you are lucky enough to live in a town with at least one veggie restaurant, but please realize this isn't true for everyone. Christy I agree. I would absolutely LOVE to be able to cook every meal from scratch, that would be ideal, but, with a very energetic and precocious almost two year old, it is a miracle if I make three meals a week!! My husband works long hours and I have a hard time cooking unless he is home to keep our son busy. I joined this list in hopes of finding easy to prepare meals for the times when I am able. Sara Colin's Ap Mama A baby will only spoil if you leave it on the shelf. Come see us at http://members.tripod.com/colinsapmama/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 This list is a bit too much into the " simple/lazy vegan " thing. I'm not an elitist in any sense but there's nothing healthy about pizza hut or subway and if it's healthier then what vegan's are cooking at home you're in dire straits! I want to respond to this. I am trying to eat as vegan as possible and as healthy as possible. But I cannot make my own healthy food from scratch 100% of the time. I am a single mother of a toddler, work full time and go to graduate school full-time. On top of that, I am completing an unpaid 600 hr. internship. I simply do not have the time to cook every meal. I admit that I sometimes eat a veggie sandwich at subway, or frozen vegetarian meal. On the positive side, I put a lot of the time I save cooking into my huge organic garden (which I wouldn't have time for if I cooked every meal), and into cooking some delicious healthy things on my days off. It is wonderful that you have the time to cook all your own meals, or that you are lucky enough to live in a town with at least one veggie restaurant, but please realize this isn't true for everyone. Christy ------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum & refcd=PT97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 I sympathize, and have already voiced my opinion to Jeff, but he just wants to have a strict organic recipe forum where things like that are never mentioned. I was kind of worried about the group being split because resources would be cut in half for those who are trying but still feeling how hard it can be. But I guess it is going to be split, so I am just going to join both, but only talk about some things in one and some in the other. Alan - " Christy " <woodfairie Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:44 AM Re: Digest Number 348 > This list is a bit too > much into the " simple/lazy vegan " thing. I'm not an elitist in any sense > but there's nothing healthy about pizza hut or subway and if it's healthier > then what vegan's are cooking at home you're in dire straits! > > I want to respond to this. I am trying to eat as vegan as possible and as > healthy as possible. But I cannot make my own healthy food from scratch > 100% of the time. I am a single mother of a toddler, work full time and go > to graduate school full-time. On top of that, I am completing an unpaid 600 > hr. internship. I simply do not have the time to cook every meal. I admit > that I sometimes eat a veggie sandwich at subway, or frozen vegetarian meal. > On the positive side, I put a lot of the time I save cooking into my huge > organic garden (which I wouldn't have time for if I cooked every meal), and > into cooking some delicious healthy things on my days off. > It is wonderful that you have the time to cook all your own meals, or that > you are lucky enough to live in a town with at least one veggie restaurant, > but please realize this isn't true for everyone. Christy > > ------------------- > NetZero Platinum > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum & refcd=PT97 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 In a message dated 8/21/01 3:32:07 PM Central Daylight Time, AllisonC writes: I'm unsubscribing, and I'm not coming back, so you don't have to worry about there being any "inappropriate" diet discussions coming from the frazzled single mom. I totally understand and agree with your reasons for leaving the list. I was offended by the discussion on the list as well. Right now I am a vegetarian, and was working toward becoming a vegan, which is the reason I joined the list. But, the more I read the more I realized the "eat-our-way-or-don't-bother-becoming-vegan" attitude. Good luck with your child and yourself, and finding good vegan meals that don't take forever to cook. --christina * How 'bout no longer being masochistic How 'bout remembering your divinity How 'but unabashedly bawling your eyes out How 'bout not equating death with stopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 Jeff, I totally agree with you, and would love to see a group devoted to healthy vegan cooking. In my opinion, talking about which fast food place has what vegan option defeats the whole point of becoming vegan in the first place. Patronizing fast food restaurants, even if you don't eat the burgers, still supports their minimum-wage, ruin-the-environment, who-cares-about-the-public's-health, greedy corporate attitude. Susan > I'm thinking about starting an egroup called something like the " HEALTHY > ORGANIC VEGAN " ... Basically it will discuss the same stuff as this list, no > animal rights stuff either but will be a bit deeper and for people that are > really into the whole " health " aspect of veganism. This list is a bit too > much into the " simple/lazy vegan " thing. I'm not an elitist in any sense > but there's nothing healthy about pizza hut or subway and if it's healthier > then what vegan's are cooking at home you're in dire straits! > > Drop me a line at backtotheearth if you'd be interested in this > sort of group... PS, no disresepect to this group! > > Be Good, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 I've just joined this group. I have an 8 year old child with multiple neurological problems, that I believe are diet-related, as well as my own GI problems. I joined this group to get some good recipes and diet tips on how to live on an extremely restricted diet (besides animal products, we don't eat gluten, any refined products, certain vegetables and fruit, corn, no sugar, no yeast, no fermented foods.) I also wanted some tips on how to live on this sort of diet while working two jobs and single parenting a very high needs child, and how to keep this high-needs child on a diet he views as punitive. I was very interested in the discussion of fast-foods and convenience foods, because these foods make my son feel more "normal", therefore more likely to stay on the diet. I didn't want a self-righteous slam on my diet and eating choices by people who obviously have WAY more time to spend on shopping and cooking than I do. Jeff, you may not have intended your statement to be insulting, but that's like saying "I'm not a racist, I just don't like blacks." It was insulting, insensitive, self-righteous and exclusionary. Congratulations. You have managed to turn me completely off this group, and I'm wondering how many potential members (and potential vegans) you have turned off with your self-righteous attitude. I joined this group because it described itself as non-political, and I wanted to avoid the sort of crap I've gotten from vegans before for not eating exactly like them. I'm unsubscribing, and I'm not coming back, so you don't have to worry about there being any "inappropriate" diet discussions coming from the frazzled single mom. Allison - susan ; backtotheearth Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:04 PM Re: Digest Number 348 Jeff,I totally agree with you, and would love to see a group devoted to healthyvegan cooking. In my opinion, talking about which fast food place has whatvegan option defeats the whole point of becoming vegan in the first place.Patronizing fast food restaurants, even if you don't eat the burgers, stillsupports their minimum-wage, ruin-the-environment,who-cares-about-the-public's-health, greedy corporate attitude.Susan> I'm thinking about starting an egroup called something like the "HEALTHY> ORGANIC VEGAN"... Basically it will discuss the same stuff as this list, no> animal rights stuff either but will be a bit deeper and for people that are> really into the whole "health" aspect of veganism. This list is a bit too> much into the "simple/lazy vegan" thing. I'm not an elitist in any sense> but there's nothing healthy about pizza hut or subway and if it's healthier> then what vegan's are cooking at home you're in dire straits!> > Drop me a line at backtotheearth if you'd be interested in this> sort of group... PS, no disresepect to this group!> > Be Good, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 Couldn't have said it better myself. . .thanks Christy! Change your thinking, change your life - Christy <woodfairie Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:44 AM Re: Digest Number 348 > This list is a bit too > much into the " simple/lazy vegan " thing. I'm not an elitist in any sense > but there's nothing healthy about pizza hut or subway and if it's healthier > then what vegan's are cooking at home you're in dire straits! > > I want to respond to this. I am trying to eat as vegan as possible and as > healthy as possible. But I cannot make my own healthy food from scratch > 100% of the time. I am a single mother of a toddler, work full time and go > to graduate school full-time. On top of that, I am completing an unpaid 600 > hr. internship. I simply do not have the time to cook every meal. I admit > that I sometimes eat a veggie sandwich at subway, or frozen vegetarian meal. > On the positive side, I put a lot of the time I save cooking into my huge > organic garden (which I wouldn't have time for if I cooked every meal), and > into cooking some delicious healthy things on my days off. > It is wonderful that you have the time to cook all your own meals, or that > you are lucky enough to live in a town with at least one veggie restaurant, > but please realize this isn't true for everyone. Christy > > ------------------- > NetZero Platinum > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum & refcd=PT97 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Some of you are taking this awfully personally, and I can't help but wonder why that is. Think about this: why are you on vegetarian or vegan lists in the first place? You could share vegan recipes with omnivores, but you like having a place to share with like-minded people, right? And maybe...just maybe....you want to spend at least some of your time in a place where you don't have to hear comments like " Oh, I could NEVER give up meat! " This is no different from that. Those people can give up meat if they choose to, just like the ones complaining here can eat healthier and eliminate fast food from their diets if they choose to. It's a matter of priorities, that's all. Pointing that out does not constitute a judgment against you. Electing to create a new list for those for whom eating healthy is a priority does not constitute a judgment against you. If you choose take it as one, that is entirely your responsibility--not Jeff's. Jeri Burdett TerraWeb Technologies--Solutions that fit your style Website hosting, design, & domain registration at down-to-earth prices http://www.twtek.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Hi everyone, I just joined this group. I live in Santa Barbara, CA. I am vegan but my roomates are not (1 is vegetarian). We are having an ant problem and they have put out ant traps. I want to solve the problem another way. Has anyone had a bad ant problem and solved it without killing them? The biggest problem is that we have a cat and they get into his cat food. First, we tried putting a plate of cinnamon under his food bowl. That worked for a while, but then stopped working. Next we tried putting a dish of water under his food bowl. That worked for a while too, but one morning we came out, saw a bunch of ants drowned in the water and a lot more ants were in his food. Now my roomates have resorted to ant traps (poison that they take back to where they live and kill other ants with). Help! Kristen - Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:21 PM Digest Number 348 To send an email to - ------ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Fwd: Axis of Evil Mavreela <nec.lists 2. MCL leaflet " Graham Burnett " <grahamburnett ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sun, 19 May 2002 19:18:19 +0100 Mavreela <nec.lists Fwd: Axis of Evil Not one to forward but this came up on another list and thought it would be of interests in the vegan groups... -------------------- Forwarded Message Follows -------------------- Bitter after being snubbed for membership in " The Axis of Evil, " Libya,China, and Syria today announced they had formed " The Axis of Just as Evil, " which they said would be way eviler than " that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of " in his State of the Union address. The Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. " Right......They are just as evil... in their dreams! " declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. " Everybody knows we're the best evils... best at being evil... we're the best. " Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join The Axis of Evil. " They told us it was full, " said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. " An Axis can't have more than three countries, " explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. " This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in The Evil Axis. So you can only have three and a secret handshake. Ours is wicked cool. " THE AXIS PANDEMIC International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed The Axis of Somewhat Evil, forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in The Axis of Occasionally Evil, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established The Axis of Not So Much Evil Really As Just Generally Disagreeable. With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up; Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called The Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics. Canada, Mexico, and Australia formed The Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About America. While Spain, Scotland, and New Zealand established The Axis of Countries That Be Allowed to Ask Sheep to Wear Lipstick. " That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do, " said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell. While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most Axis, although he rejected the establishment of The Axis of Countries Whose Names End in " Guay, " accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges. Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately, world leaders said that's only because no one asked them. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Mon, 20 May 2002 01:24:17 +0100 " Graham Burnett " <grahamburnett MCL leaflet New Movement for compassionate Living leaflet; http://pages.unisonfree.net/mcl/suicide.htm THE HUMAN RACE IS COMMITTING SUICIDE By burning fossil fuel for unnecessary industrialisation world-wide, the human race is causing a global warming which, if unchecked, will make life on this planet unsustainable. Land that is needed for food and for trees is being used to raise suffering animals for slaughter, even though vegans have proved that animal products are quite unnecessary. Livestock animals emit methane, a more powerful global warming gas than CO2. TREES We must grow our food locally and vegan-organically. This will obviate the need for fuel burning for excessive packaging and transport. Vegan production requires less land than livestock, leaving more land for trees and wildlife. TREES sequester the global warming CO2 and make wood for many constructive purposes, and for fuel that releases no more CO2 than the trees stored whilst growing. TREES can produce abundant food. WE MUST CHANGE OUR LIFESTYLES NOW before global warming gets completely beyond control. Full information is available from The Movement for Compassionate Living, Burrow Farm, Highampton, Devon EX21 5JQ or MCL c/o Veggies/Rainbow Centre, 245 Gladstone Street, Nottingham NG7 6HX. Please send s.a.e. and an extra stamp for leaflets. The well-researched booklet " Abundant Living in the Coming Age of the Tree " (£2.00 + 35p postage) can be enlarged for use as posters. Copy and enlarge this page for display on noticeboards at shops, colleges, offices, libraries, at home, at work and everywhere else. [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Hi Kristen > Has anyone had a bad ant problem and solved it without killing > them? I'm not sure how successful they are, but Laveneder and / or Pepermint are supposed to keep ants away. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release 07/05/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 welcome kristen ah, ants, the perenial question... find out if you can where the lil fellas are coming in, and plug it if possible do you live in a house or apartment? if house, try planting mint and tansy around the border/foundation of the house use peppermint oil/soap on the floor, counter, etc..ants hate it.. try lines of borax...they won't cross it generally hope that helps a bit!! fraggle " Kristen Walker " <fraugefahr wrote: >Hi everyone, >I just joined this group. I live in Santa Barbara, CA. > >I am vegan but my roomates are not (1 is vegetarian). We are having an ant >problem and they have put out ant traps. I want to solve the problem >another way. Has anyone had a bad ant problem and solved it without killing >them? > >The biggest problem is that we have a cat and they get into his cat food. >First, we tried putting a plate of cinnamon under his food bowl. That >worked for a while, but then stopped working. Next we tried putting a dish >of water under his food bowl. That worked for a while too, but one morning >we came out, saw a bunch of ants drowned in the water and a lot more ants >were in his food. Now my roomates have resorted to ant traps (poison that >they take back to where they live and kill other ants with). > >Help! >Kristen > > >- > > >Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:21 PM > Digest Number 348 > > > >To send an email to - >------ > >There are 2 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Fwd: Axis of Evil > Mavreela <nec.lists > 2. MCL leaflet > " Graham Burnett " <grahamburnett > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Sun, 19 May 2002 19:18:19 +0100 > Mavreela <nec.lists >Fwd: Axis of Evil > >Not one to forward but this came up on another list and thought it would be >of interests in the vegan groups... > >-------------------- Forwarded Message Follows -------------------- > >Bitter after being snubbed for membership in " The Axis of Evil, " >Libya,China, and Syria today announced they had formed " The Axis of Just as >Evil, " which they said would be way eviler than " that stupid Iran-Iraq-North >Korea axis President Bush warned of " in his State of the Union address. The >Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as >having, for starters, a really dumb name. " Right......They are just as >evil... in their dreams! " declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. > " Everybody knows we're the best evils... best at being evil... we're the >best. " > >Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although >they conceded they did ask if they could join The Axis of Evil. " They told >us it was full, " said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. " An Axis can't have >more than three countries, " explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. " This >is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and >Japan in The Evil Axis. So you can only have three and a secret handshake. >Ours is wicked cool. " > > >THE AXIS PANDEMIC >International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as >within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed >to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of geopolitical chairs. >Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed The Axis of Somewhat Evil, >forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in The Axis of Occasionally >Evil, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established The Axis of Not So >Much Evil Really As Just Generally Disagreeable. With the criteria suddenly >expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up; Sierra Leone, El Salvador, >and Rwanda applied to be called The Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst >But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics. Canada, Mexico, and >Australia formed The Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But >Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About America. While Spain, Scotland, and New >Zealand established The Axis of Countries That Be Allowed to Ask Sheep to >Wear Lipstick. " That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do, " >said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell. > >While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun >of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most Axis, although he rejected >the establishment of The Axis of Countries Whose Names End in > " Guay, " accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials >from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges. Israel, meanwhile, >insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately, world leaders said >that's only because no one asked them. > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Mon, 20 May 2002 01:24:17 +0100 > " Graham Burnett " <grahamburnett >MCL leaflet > >New Movement for compassionate Living leaflet; > > http://pages.unisonfree.net/mcl/suicide.htm >THE HUMAN RACE > >IS COMMITTING SUICIDE > >By burning fossil fuel for unnecessary industrialisation world-wide, the >human race is causing a global warming which, if unchecked, will make life >on this planet unsustainable. > >Land that is needed for food and for trees is being used to raise suffering >animals for slaughter, even though vegans have proved that animal products >are quite unnecessary. Livestock animals emit methane, a more powerful >global warming gas than CO2. > >TREES > >We must grow our food locally and vegan-organically. This will obviate the >need for fuel burning for excessive packaging and transport. Vegan >production requires less land than livestock, leaving more land for trees >and wildlife. > >TREES sequester the global warming CO2 and make wood for many constructive >purposes, and for fuel that releases no more CO2 than the trees stored >whilst growing. > >TREES can produce abundant food. > >WE MUST CHANGE OUR LIFESTYLES NOW >before global warming gets completely beyond control. > > > >Full information is available from > >The Movement for Compassionate Living, Burrow Farm, Highampton, Devon EX21 >5JQ > >or > >MCL c/o Veggies/Rainbow Centre, 245 Gladstone Street, Nottingham NG7 6HX. > >Please send s.a.e. and an extra stamp for leaflets. > >The well-researched booklet " Abundant Living in the Coming Age of the Tree " >(£2.00 + 35p postage) >can be enlarged for use as posters. > > > >Copy and enlarge this page for display on noticeboards at >shops, colleges, offices, libraries, at home, at work and everywhere else. > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Hi Kristen Peppermint essential oil. Put several drops on some cotton wool and wipe round the areas where the ants come in - they hate it. You may have to do it every four or five days. I did it a week ago, and haven't seen any ants come in since, although they are going in a hole by my front doorstep. Good luck. Jo -- " All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. " - Arthur Schopenhauer - " Kristen Walker " <fraugefahr Monday, May 20, 2002 5:20 PM Re: Digest Number 348 > Hi everyone, > I just joined this group. I live in Santa Barbara, CA. > > I am vegan but my roomates are not (1 is vegetarian). We are having an ant > problem and they have put out ant traps. I want to solve the problem > another way. Has anyone had a bad ant problem and solved it without killing > them? > > The biggest problem is that we have a cat and they get into his cat food. > First, we tried putting a plate of cinnamon under his food bowl. That > worked for a while, but then stopped working. Next we tried putting a dish > of water under his food bowl. That worked for a while too, but one morning > we came out, saw a bunch of ants drowned in the water and a lot more ants > were in his food. Now my roomates have resorted to ant traps (poison that > they take back to where they live and kill other ants with). > > Help! > Kristen > > > - > > > Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:21 PM > Digest Number 348 > > > > To send an email to - > ------ > > There are 2 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Fwd: Axis of Evil > Mavreela <nec.lists > 2. MCL leaflet > " Graham Burnett " <grahamburnett > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sun, 19 May 2002 19:18:19 +0100 > Mavreela <nec.lists > Fwd: Axis of Evil > > Not one to forward but this came up on another list and thought it would be > of interests in the vegan groups... > > -------------------- Forwarded Message Follows -------------------- > > Bitter after being snubbed for membership in " The Axis of Evil, " > Libya,China, and Syria today announced they had formed " The Axis of Just as > Evil, " which they said would be way eviler than " that stupid Iran-Iraq-North > Korea axis President Bush warned of " in his State of the Union address. The > Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as > having, for starters, a really dumb name. " Right......They are just as > evil... in their dreams! " declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. > " Everybody knows we're the best evils... best at being evil... we're the > best. " > > Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although > they conceded they did ask if they could join The Axis of Evil. " They told > us it was full, " said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. " An Axis can't have > more than three countries, " explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. " This > is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and > Japan in The Evil Axis. So you can only have three and a secret handshake. > Ours is wicked cool. " > > > THE AXIS PANDEMIC > International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as > within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed > to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of geopolitical chairs. > Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed The Axis of Somewhat Evil, > forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in The Axis of Occasionally > Evil, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established The Axis of Not So > Much Evil Really As Just Generally Disagreeable. With the criteria suddenly > expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up; Sierra Leone, El Salvador, > and Rwanda applied to be called The Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst > But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics. Canada, Mexico, and > Australia formed The Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But > Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About America. While Spain, Scotland, and New > Zealand established The Axis of Countries That Be Allowed to Ask Sheep to > Wear Lipstick. " That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do, " > said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell. > > While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun > of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most Axis, although he rejected > the establishment of The Axis of Countries Whose Names End in > " Guay, " accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials > from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges. Israel, meanwhile, > insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately, world leaders said > that's only because no one asked them. > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Mon, 20 May 2002 01:24:17 +0100 > " Graham Burnett " <grahamburnett > MCL leaflet > > New Movement for compassionate Living leaflet; > > http://pages.unisonfree.net/mcl/suicide.htm > THE HUMAN RACE > > IS COMMITTING SUICIDE > > By burning fossil fuel for unnecessary industrialisation world-wide, the > human race is causing a global warming which, if unchecked, will make life > on this planet unsustainable. > > Land that is needed for food and for trees is being used to raise suffering > animals for slaughter, even though vegans have proved that animal products > are quite unnecessary. Livestock animals emit methane, a more powerful > global warming gas than CO2. > > TREES > > We must grow our food locally and vegan-organically. This will obviate the > need for fuel burning for excessive packaging and transport. Vegan > production requires less land than livestock, leaving more land for trees > and wildlife. > > TREES sequester the global warming CO2 and make wood for many constructive > purposes, and for fuel that releases no more CO2 than the trees stored > whilst growing. > > TREES can produce abundant food. > > WE MUST CHANGE OUR LIFESTYLES NOW > before global warming gets completely beyond control. > > > > Full information is available from > > The Movement for Compassionate Living, Burrow Farm, Highampton, Devon EX21 > 5JQ > > or > > MCL c/o Veggies/Rainbow Centre, 245 Gladstone Street, Nottingham NG7 6HX. > > Please send s.a.e. and an extra stamp for leaflets. > > The well-researched booklet " Abundant Living in the Coming Age of the Tree " > (£2.00 + 35p postage) > can be enlarged for use as posters. > > > > Copy and enlarge this page for display on noticeboards at > shops, colleges, offices, libraries, at home, at work and everywhere else. > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Hey Raw community, you are such a mine of knowledge and information and I'm inspired!! I'm hoping someone can recommend a Natural Hygiene course via correspondence or online. I would like it to be either accredited or suitable for professional use. Thanks onelove Terri wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 I've been eating Hharoseth for 58 years & never saw a recipe inclusind brick or sand. I sounds like some " newage yiddshkeit " idea. wrote: >There are 3 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Have you seen this? > " Carol " <descartesmum > 2. Re: Have you seen this? > " Gabriella " <andrea.kapsaski > 3. RE: Re: Charoset recipes/brick and sand > " Elizabeth Pearce " <Elizabeth.Pearce > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:38:50 -0000 > " Carol " <descartesmum >Have you seen this? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >ViewItem & item=9505530539 & rd=1 & sspag > > > >lol > > > > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:51:30 -0000 > " Gabriella " <andrea.kapsaski >Re: Have you seen this? > >Everybody: this is not a spam (in spite of the fact it is a link to >ebay) >I checked it out before approving the message and was irritated at >first, however it is worth taking a look, especially at the link from >that site which goes to the ZIV TZEDAKAH FUND, supporting the > " A Sandwich a Day for Every Child " project. > >( http://www.ziv.org/beitfrankforter.htm) > >Thanks, Carol. > >Gabriella > > > , " Carol " ><descartesmum wrote: > > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>ViewItem & item=9505530539 & rd=1 & sspag >> >> >> >>lol >> >> >> > > > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 3 > Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:20:45 -0700 > " Elizabeth Pearce " <Elizabeth.Pearce >RE: Re: Charoset recipes/brick and sand > >To be honest, I don't have the book and can't look it up. > > > >Ground brick was on the recipe I have. I also have seen one with sand in it >- I thought it was in the Hadassah cookbook but I skimmed those recipes and >didn't see it . it will take more time than I have right now to find it. > > > >A little brick or sand wouldn't hurt you, although I'm in California so let >me digress. > > > >Local archeologists believe that roughly one-quarter of the California >Indians were in pain from toothaches at any given time. They had not >discovered the millstone, and the grinding of seeds with those granite >stones resulted in sand in nearly everything they cooked and ate . And the >sand wore down their teeth. > > > >Elizabeth > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Maidawg >Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:16 PM > > Re: Charoset recipes > > > >Elizabeth, is that for real? The first recipe on the page calls for >ground BRICK!!! > >http://www.modernhaggadah.com/recipes.html > > >from Maida >Citizens for Pets in Condos, http://www.petsincondos.org >South Florida Vegetarian Events, http://www.soflavegevents.net > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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