Guest guest Posted June 29, 2003 Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 HI, I am new also. I am trying to eat more vegetarian for health reasons..but I do occasionally do the meat deal because I feel sick when I go to long without some animal product like cheese or something. I wanted to ask..how about rice milk? It isn't too bad really and my children love it. It is vitamin fortified also. Later, Jenni > " luckyducky22 " <luckyducky22 > Hi. I am new here. > > Hi I just joined this group hoping to find some good recipes to try. > > I am thinking about going vegan/vegetarian. The only problem is that > > I am a 24 year old picky eater who doesn't like many fruits or > vegetables. ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2003 Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 Rice milk is lower in protein than soymilk. Just buy a different aseptic box of soymilk each week and see what you like. There are lots out there. The reason you feel sick without animal products is that your vegetarian/vegan diet lacks sufficient protein. If you are relying on modern canned beans for protein, you will get sick. Look up heirloom beans on the internet and try them. They are higher in protein, lower in starch and calories than our modern beans. They are also quite pretty to look at. If you are eating tofu, consider this: It takes three times the tofu to equal flesh protein. So, if you eat a 4 ounce flesh serving, you need a 12 ounce tofu serving. Yes, there are higher protein frozen meat analogs out there. Ever read the ingredients? I am not wild about the stuff in a tofu pup. Protein is very easy to get, but you need to be aware it. You need about 25 to 30 grams of protein a day. I think the RDA says 45. I don't agree because it is a proven fact that the more protein you eat, the greater chances you have developing osteoporosis, no matter how much calcium you consume or supplement, NO MATTER HOW MUCH. Oddly enough, a lower protein diet, one with just enough, but not too much will give you stronger bones, a larger lean body mass percentage and longevity. It has been studied and a diet which represses calorie levels as low as possible will give you a longer life. Now, remember the sources of vegan protein and start counting. Rice milk is very low in protein and high sugars, just part of being rice. Soymilk, depending on brand, can have a lot of sugars too, but a lot more protein. If you are having a widely varied diet and at least two, 8 ounce glasses of soymilk a day, you are well on your way. Another pitfall of the vegan/vegetarian who is not well informed, is the consumption of large amounts of starches...flour products like bread and pasta, white rice, etc. These white products send your blood sugar soaring and FAST. Your body will send out more insulin to combat this and that will send your blood sugar spiraling down just as fast. You spend years slamming your pancreas this way and you will have diabetes. It is the white bread, white pasta, white potatoes and white rice so common in the American diet that have produced an epidemic of type 2 diabetes. So, what do you do? There is lots of information, it conflicts. Some say soy is bad, too much is dangerous. Others like doctors will tell you that without meat, you will die, you NEED it. Well meaning friends and family will try to convince you are stupid to try to live without it. It takes reading to be informed for your own health and to refute these people who would try to change your mind. I highly recommend "Laurel's Kitchen", especially the original version. They are proponents of whole grains...whole wheat, brown rice, whole ground corn, etc. (These grains will help to stabilize blood sugar and offer protein, fiber and nutrition.) This book goes into detail about eating, what amounts, about being well-balanced, about losing that flesh-eaters flesh, about how to feed children this way, how to feed a pregnant woman, getting enough protein, etc. It uses government studies and other studies to back up what they are saying. They also have wonderful bread recipes and recipes to tell you how to cook interesting things like kolrabi, boy choy and other oddities of the vegetable world. You should probably also check out "Diet for a Small Planet". This is good information also. This will give you the information that convinced me. I am not really into animal rights and it isn't taht I don't care. My veganism comes from the belief that eating meat has lead to world wide malnutrition, has lead to the hole in the ozone layer and will pollute us all, including animals, out of existence. I read about this in "Diet". I am NOT slamming you about eating animal products because you can do anything you like, we all can. I try to respect the rights of others to choose what they need and want for their own lives. Rather, if you want to commit to this more gentle way of life, you need more information so that you feel better, cleaner and more energetic. I am glad you posted about this problem, it is common amongst newcomers. oohhh and visit vegweb.com and look up some interesting recipes, especially if you don't know how to make tofu taste wonderful. Dragonfly __ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2003 Report Share Posted June 30, 2003 this is great info dragonfly, thanks tara - The Lady Dragonfly ; June 29, 2003 11:45 AM Re: Digest Number 713 __ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Dear Veggie Mom, Have you checked with Anada Marga? http://nys.amps.org/local.html They do excellent job with children. Evit@ ....we are stardust , we are golden and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden... " Woodstock " by Joni Mitchell (1969) _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 > >-- In , janeen minguillo <jminshan> >wrote: > > Hi Everyone! Usually I'm a silent reader, but I need some advice. >I am in the middle of chaos right now, and I think it's time to start >living the life I feel is right for our family. My husband and I >both work and fell into the trap of the " American Dream " . We have a >house and 2 big dogs. That is part of the liability which I can't >seem to break away from. My dogs are so good and I love them, but I >don't feel it's right to keep them in an apartment. Which has led us >to buying this house. My dh, ds, and new dd are amazing. I want to >have time to appreciate them and teach them things that I know are >really important in this world, and I'm afraid that time is just >going to pass me by if I keep working. Unfortunately, the situation >I got myself into is that I make 2x my husband's salary, and the >thought of marrying for money just never occurred to me before. So >we're all in it for love, and that's the best part. But somewhere >along the way, we've accumulated all this " stuff " , > > and I'm sick of it. And even if we sold everything, there doesn't >seem to be a way to afford to live with the debt we have. We owe >more than everything is worth. Trying to avoid bankruptcy, but what >else is there? We live in CT and there isn't much in the way of >affordable housing that will accept me with my pets. People want you >to have cute little dogs, or cats. But that's just not me. I've >also recently realized how important it is for me to live closer to >my family in NY. So that's the direction we are heading, but it >isn't any cheaper. I'm at the end of my rope and pray every day that >God will see me through this. Help! I really need some ideas. How >can this work? How can I do it? Layoffs are going on at work and >I'm hoping I get it, and my husband's job is uncertain too. So I >figured that since everything is up the air and the babies are still >young enough (ds 2 1/2 and dd 5 mos!) That we should make the right >move for the lifestyle and values we want to teach > > them. I'm on the edge of something and I'm jus too close to the >tree in front of me to see around it. I don't know what I expect >from anyone out there, but I'm so tired of not fitting in anywhere. >Maybe there's a place where people have a nice community and are not >so judgemental and love children and help each other, and share, >and ... (well I'm a dreamer at heart! But got stuck living as a >realist body in an idealist soul. > > > > Have a nice night, please let me know if you have any ideas. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Young Veggie Momma Check this one out: http://www.innersports.org/quest.htm Amrt@ ....we are stardust , we are golden and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden... " Woodstock " by Joni Mitchell (1969) _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 thank you zsussa for your post. I do appreciate your wealth of info. I plan on checking out the websites tonight. Maybe it will help. Thank you so much. Denise ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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