Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 There was a program on the Food Network about foods of the Bible. I don't know who the person was, but it was stated that You cannot get omega fatty acids or Vitamin B12 except from fish and meat. I take flacks seed oil and a one-a-day vitamin. I thought these should cover those needs. I've been vegetarian for 3 years (occasional stray milk, cheese or butter in prepared foods or when eating away from home, no egg) and am still alive. Just wondering what comment someone knowledgeable would have. By the way, they said the majority of references to foods are for a vegetarian diet. I think they claimed the most explicit recommendation for that is in the book of Daniel. But then it all is speculation and interpretation... Many thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Meat and fish are not necessary for anyone, at any time, as far as I know. There might be a rare person who needs something in meat and fish due to a health problem (not sure what, or why they couldn't get whatever it is from plant sources). But I have never heard of a vegan who is educated about nutrition, and who gets a variety of foods, who is malnourished or deprived of B12, EFA's or anything else! That person was obviously misinformed, which is a shame. They didn't do their homework, or spoke from personal bias, and they were heard (and believed!) by a lot of people. Too bad! Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 I guess B12 might be hard to get in the diet. Even Dr. McDougall and others recommend a supplement after being vegan for over 3 years, although I have heard it wasn't necessary from other experts. All individual, I guess. Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 I do know three (educated!) vegans who've had B12 problems. It is not an issue that should be ignored. B12 is found in bacteria. Because our food is cleaned so much, vegans can have a difficult time obtaining it from plant foods. You can even get a B12 deficiency while you consume a lot of products that have been B12 fortified. I hightly recommend B12 supplements! 4/5/2004 7:09:29 AM, sahmomof8 wrote: > > > > > sahmomof8 > Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:09:29 EDT > Subject:Re: The Beat Goes On... > > > > Meat and fish are not necessary for anyone, at any time, as far as I know. > There might be a rare person who needs something in meat and fish due to a > health problem (not sure what, or why they couldn't get whatever it is from > > plant sources). But I have never heard of a vegan who is educated about > nutrition, and who gets a variety of foods, who is malnourished or deprived > of B12, EFA's or anything else! That person was obviously misinformed, which > is a shame. They didn't do their homework, or spoke from personal bias, and > > they were heard (and believed!) by a lot of people. Too bad! Marilyn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 You know, B12 deficiency CAN stem from their pre-vegan days, if they had a dietary switch. The thing about B12 is, that it can take 20 and 25 YEARS for a deficiency to show up. It is also one of those vitamins that you through huge amounts at the body so that it gleens the tiny amount it needs. I know how to fortify my homemade (machine) soymilk with calcium, B12 and a couple of other things. B12 IS important and I agree with supplements, absolutely. Dragonfly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 I didn't take any supplements the first 8 years I was vegan and my B12 level was fine. However, some people already have a deficiency after one year! One woman I know has a really severe deficiency with awful (maybe permanent) problems. She has awful itching of her skin and trouble sleeping, because she can't find any comfortable position for her body. Because B12 deficiency problems can be so horrible and supplements are so easy to take, I really recommend everyone taking them! 4/5/2004 2:04:57 PM, sahmomof8 wrote: > > > > > sahmomof8 > Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:04:57 EDT > Subject:Re: The Beat Goes On... > > > > I guess B12 might be hard to get in the diet. Even Dr. McDougall and others > recommend a supplement after being vegan for over 3 years, although I have > heard it wasn't necessary from other experts. All individual, I guess. > > Marilyn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 The condition is known as pernicious anemia. It is vile, isn't really amenable to treatment over time and is best avoided. As I said...B12 deficiency takes YEARS to develop and if someone becomes vegan and sees it quickly, it is something in their previous diet, not veganism that did it. That said, OF COURSE you supplement this!!! I would also do some research on what to use in tandem with B12. Most nutrients are better absorbed in the presence of others. I can't remember what off the top of my head goes best with B12 to improve the body's response. Some people have poor diets no matter what they eat and some people have bodies that don't absorb properly. This is not the venue for a dissertation on the leaky gut syndrome, celiac sprue or systemic candidiasis, or the host of other intestinal tract coating nasties that people acquire and which inhibits the absorption of nutrients. I will stick by the notion that a tablespoon of real, organic, cider vinegar in a cup of hot water first thing in the morning is the best way to inhibit some of this. oh, and some of this comes of antibiotic use. They have their place, to be sure, but I don't believe that every illness requires them and have not taken any myself in four years. Up with B12! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 please share how you fortify! I just started making soy/rice/almond milk for me and the kiddos and I have a little one who still nurses and when he does switch over I'd love to know he's getting the right nutrients! Since he won't be getting milk of the cow that is... and I like the taste of my homemade now... spoiled, I know! :-) I use a machine too. Thanks! Amissa >"TheLadyDragonfly" <theladydragonfly > > >Re: The Beat Goes On... >Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:30:09 -0600 > >You know, B12 deficiency CAN stem from their pre-vegan days, if they had a >dietary switch. > >The thing about B12 is, that it can take 20 and 25 YEARS for a deficiency to >show up. It is also one of those vitamins that you through huge amounts at >the body so that it gleens the tiny amount it needs. > >I know how to fortify my homemade (machine) soymilk with calcium, B12 and a >couple of other things. B12 IS important and I agree with supplements, >absolutely. > >Dragonfly > > Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar – FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 I would like to know how to fortify with B12, calcium, too. I make my own soymilk by using blender and thick cheese cloth, I am also interested in how the machine works. Can you share, please? Amissa, how do you make rice milk? Thank you!! Isabelle , " Amissa Metcalf " <amissametcalf@h...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 This is the " Soymilker " I believe and it makes almond, soy or rice milk. Or, if you are like me, a combination of them all at once. You put in soaked beans, whole almonds or brown rice, fill the contrainer with water, plug it in. In 10 minutes, it beeps, you unplug and have fresh soymilk. Only calcium carbonate will NOT curdle the milk while it is hot, so that is what I use. I can't remember the proportions I was given, but I use a tablespoon of it per batch and I take the smallest dosage of B12 tablet I can find and finely crush it, adding it to the batch. If you want to avoid that chalky thing with this, you'll need to add lecithin as an emulsifier, something like a bit of canola oil for smoothness and some rice syrup or succinat. Look on your favorite commercial brand and see what they use and use that for sweetening, to each their own. Westbrae adds malt and I don't like it much, but you might. The maker does a little over a quart per batch, I think, never measured. D'fly you can buy it on the web, google " soymilker " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 I got a new SoyaJoy off ebay and make a rice/soy mix recipe that i got off Bryanna Clark Grogans web site. It is good! But I do make plain rice and soy for different things. I soak short grain brown rice overnight and put it in my machine with spring water and a little salt to prevent foaming. 15 minutes later. rice milk! It's great though I have to say if u don't clean it right away it's a nightmare. So I always wash right after. I'm sure you could do the soaked rice in a blender with boiling water and get the same rice milk, assuming you have a good blender. I add vanilla bean in the grinder area with the rice for vanilla flavor and a tablespoon of sweetener to it after its ready and my daughter loves it. We also only use organic- my personal crusade :-) I run an organic buying club for my area. I can't wait to try fortifying. Amissa > >I would like to know how to fortify with B12, calcium, too. I make >my own soymilk by using blender and thick cheese cloth, I am also >interested in how the machine works. Can you share, please? > >Amissa, how do you make rice milk? > >Thank you!! > >Isabelle > > , "Amissa Metcalf" ><amissametcalf@h...> wrote: > > > Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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