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At 07:26 31/05/01 +0000, you wrote:

>You may have noticed on some dairy products they list kosher gelatin. As you

>likely know that means there is no other animal product beyond the

>milk/yogurt.

 

Kosher gelatin is *not* free of animal products. *Anything* called

gelatin is made from animals. Agar-agar or other vegetarian products may

be called " gelling agents " on a label, but *not* gelatin.

 

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I know this isn't definite, but I heard the same thing about 5 years ago,

but was told that it's an old practice not used anymore.

 

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Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:46 PM

gelatin

 

 

> I was using the term " Jell-O " pretty loosely. Any product, brand-name

> or otherwise, that contains gelatin is an animal product. That

> includes marshmallows, fruit roll-up type candies, Starburst, pectin,

> even some chewing gums.

>

> Yesterday I read on a webpage that sugar is processed with bone char.

> I hope someone can confirm that it's not an animal product, even

> though that name leaves me with little hope. I really don't think I

> could give up su

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I've read this too. Apparently some companies do process white sugar using

animal products, some don't. I'm pretty sure brown/unprocessed sugars are

ok. Wine is often filtered through animal bones too. Look for a V (for

vegetarian) or VG (for vegan-often they use egg in wine) on the back label.

Crystal

 

At 06:52 PM 5/31/01 -0700, you wrote:

>Yesterday I read on a webpage that sugar is processed with bone char.

> > I hope someone can confirm that it's not an animal product, even

> > though that name leaves me with little hope. I really don't think I

> > could give up su

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This is my first attempt to answer, and not sure if I am doing it

correctly, I will find out I am sure. Thanks for all the recipes and the

info: very interesting! I have just begun a candida diet. Not totaly

veg. as I am so limited now. but it's ok feeling much better. Only 5 days

in....... I am replying to the sugar thing! I have been using the Herb

Stevia for about a year now, and love it. It comes in powder form (use only

a tiny amount to sweeten) and cook with it. It is also available in liquid

form. It is actually a very healing herb, and highly recommended as a sugar

replacement. I order mine from Azure Standard out of Oregon, but health

stores do stock it.

Blessings SV

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, cdipietro@w... wrote:

> I've read this too. Apparently some companies do process white

sugar using

> animal products, some don't. I'm pretty sure brown/unprocessed

sugars are

> ok. Wine is often filtered through animal bones too. Look for a V

(for

> vegetarian) or VG (for vegan-often they use egg in wine) on the

back label.

> Crystal

>

 

Just because Brown sugar is brown doesn't mean it hasn't been

processed through Bone Char... What a lot of companies do with

regular brown sugar is filter it, and then add a little bit of the

molasses back in... *shrug* I've found plenty of adequete substitutes

for white sugar though. Some of my favorites are Maple Syrup, Sugar

in the Raw (Granulated Cane Juice), and Honey (I use Honey, I know

some Vegans don't, but that's a personal choice). I've heard good

things about Date Sugar and Fructose, but I've never actually tried

them.

 

Walk in Light!

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I buy less refined sugar in the health food store. I like it better than

white sugar. I am assuming it is not processed with meat. Rachel

 

>

> Just because Brown sugar is brown doesn't mean it hasn't been

> processed through Bone Char... What a lot of companies do with

> regular brown sugar is filter it, and then add a little bit of the

> molasses back in... *shrug* I've found plenty of adequete substitutes

> for white sugar though. Some of my favorites are Maple Syrup, Sugar

> in the Raw (Granulated Cane Juice), and Honey (I use Honey, I know

> some Vegans don't, but that's a personal choice). I've heard good

> things about Date Sugar and Fructose, but I've never actually tried

> them.

>

> Walk in Light!

> Stephanie

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BTW, as a mother of a corn-allergic child, they add corn syrup to brown sugar. It is usually just refined sugar (and that could be beet, corn or cane sugar, or a combination) with the molasses processed with corn syrup before being added back in. No vitamins!!

 

We use pure maple syrup all the time (we live in Vermont, where there is more syrup, but just as expensive). We have many neighbors who make it. It is the sap from the tree, boiled down to 1/40 of its volume, which makes it quite concentrated in vitamins and minerals. Afterall, the sap is the "lifeblood of the tree." I've heard that there is a whole day's worth of potassium in just one serving.

 

Lauren

 

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Friday, June 01, 2001 2:13 PM

Re: Re: gelatin

I buy less refined sugar in the health food store. I like it better thanwhite sugar. I am assuming it is not processed with meat. Rachel>> Just because Brown sugar is brown doesn't mean it hasn't been> processed through Bone Char... What a lot of companies do with> regular brown sugar is filter it, and then add a little bit of the> molasses back in... *shrug* I've found plenty of adequete substitutes> for white sugar though. Some of my favorites are Maple Syrup, Sugar> in the Raw (Granulated Cane Juice), and Honey (I use Honey, I know> some Vegans don't, but that's a personal choice). I've heard good> things about Date Sugar and Fructose, but I've never actually tried> them.>> Walk in Light!> Stephanie>contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

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M> 'Gelatin' is not listed on the ingredients of skittles, at least not in the

M> UK, and is listed as suitable in the Vegan Shopper.

 

Wow! In the US they're definitely made with gelatin. I wrote them a

a letter about it and they sent me back this:

 

" Thank you for your email.

 

It was thoughtful of you to offer your creative ideas. Unfortunately,

it is our policy not to accept unsolicited ideas. At M & M/MARS, we rely

on our extensive Research and Development staff to design, develop and

refine product concepts. Sometimes research and development can take

years before a finished product can be marketed. To avoid confusion of

ownership, we must refuse the thousands of suggestions we receive every

year, many the same as yours. Although we appreciate your interest, we

hope you will understand our business position.

 

Have a great day!

Your friends at M & M/MARS "

 

--

 

...Heh. I love form letters. :]

 

- Cheryl

 

 

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Sickening, isn't it? Companies like Nature's Plus

are using a lot of " veggie caps " instead of gelatin

caps for their products , but unfortunately most of

their products are vitamins-- not herbs. Source

Naturals also uses veggie caps for a lot of their

supplements. They may have more herbs available. Veggie caps

are made, I believe, from vegetable glycerin.

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Hi Denise,<br><br>Animal products are everywhere,

so after a while I stopped beating myself up or

getting too angry at the world when I found a new one

out. I've known about gelatin for a long time, but I

thought it was made from horses' hooves.<br><br>Animal

exploitation runs deep in our society, so you can't really

avoid it all. I believe even tires on cars have animal

products in them. So even though I ride the bus, I'm still

contributing.<br><br> " How It All Vegan " is a vegan cookbook that has a

pretty extensive section on hidden animal ingredients.

I'm sure there are other sources as well.<br><br>good

luck,<br>Carol

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Hey,<br>Just to set the record straight as to

what exactly gelatin is, I thought I'd post the

definition from " Consumer's Dictionary of Food Additives " . A

very good book to have around as a resource. <br>

" Gelatin is a protein obtained by boiling skin, tendons,

ligaments, or bones with water. It is colorless or slightly

yellow, tasteless, and absorbs five to ten percent its

weight of cold water. " <br> I always thought it was made

from horses' hooves also until I read this. So I guess

that it doesn't really matter which animal the

ingredients come from. But there is probably one that is used

more than the others in its manufacturing...... I am

still not eating it though, heh, but you can use agar

agar in its place if you are really hard up for a

replacement. However, since I started eating RAW it has not

been a concern. hope this has been

informative.<br>:)<br>Jeff

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The Newstart cookbook refers to something called Emes kosher geletin (it should be pareve)

teresa

 

Yes! I use it all the time and it works great! It looks and tastes like "Jello", but is made from vegan seaweed.

~ LaDonna ~

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>>>I am not in the states but I seem to recall that Emes stopped

making that ages ago, I think there was a fire or something! Pretty

sure you cant get it any more.

Persian

 

Hi Persian,

 

Emes made vegan marshmallows and gelatin. . .and I believe it's the

marshmallows that are still available. The health food store I shop at

still carries Emes gelatin in individual boxed packets and in bulk. It

comes " plain " (I love to mix 100% fruit juice with that instead of water for

a great dessert) or in fruit flavors. I think it can be purchased online

at: www.andysmarket.com .

 

HTH,

LaDonna

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HI,

 

On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 09:01:58 -0400, Teresag715 wrote:

> The Newstart cookbook refers to something called Emes kosher geletin (it

> should be pareve)

> teresa

 

I am not in the states but I seem to recall that Emes stopped

making that ages ago, I think there was a fire or something! Pretty

sure you cant get it any more.

 

Persian

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Hi,

 

On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 06:33:43 -0700, Tea Cozy wrote:

> Emes made vegan marshmallows and gelatin. . .and I believe it's the

> marshmallows that are still available. The health food store I shop at

> still carries Emes gelatin in individual boxed packets and in bulk. It

> comes " plain " (I love to mix 100% fruit juice with that instead of water for

 

OOPs sorry then, didn't realise it was still available, dont know where I got

that from!

 

Persian

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Thanks everyone! I was able to find Emes at a local vegan grocery.

 

Marisa

 

 

, Persian <persian13@i...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 06:33:43 -0700, Tea Cozy wrote:

> > Emes made vegan marshmallows and gelatin. . .and I believe it's

the

> > marshmallows that are still available. The health food store I

shop at

> > still carries Emes gelatin in individual boxed packets and in

bulk. It

> > comes " plain " (I love to mix 100% fruit juice with that instead

of water for

>

> OOPs sorry then, didn't realise it was still available, dont know

where I got that from!

>

> Persian

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Teresa wrote [[The Newstart cookbook refers to something called Emes

kosher geletin ]]

** Are you sure this is vegan? Kosher implies blessed & killed in a

specific manner, but not vegan. I vaguely remember this being

regular geletin, just Kosher.

 

Om Peace!..

Valarie

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" valarie " <adi_valarie

 

> ** Are you sure this is vegan? Kosher implies blessed & killed in a

> specific manner, but not vegan. I vaguely remember this being

> regular geletin, just Kosher.

>

 

http://www.veganessentials.com/catalog/emes-unflavored-vegan-gelatin.htm

 

This website lists the following about Emes vegan gelatin:

 

This unflavored vegan gel is perfect for recipes that call for regular

gelatin, or it can also be used to make your own sweet flavored gelatin

dessert (just add your own natural fruits or sweeteners for an original

treat!) 1 oz. box of 4 servings is $1.89.

 

Ingredients: Carrageenan, locust bean gum and malto-dextrin.

 

Nutritional information:

Servings per container - 4

Calories per serving - 80

Total fat - 0g

Sodium - 0g

Carbohydrates per serving - 21g (0g dietary fiber, 20g sugars)

Protein - 0g

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Yep. The ingredients from the box are carageenan, locust bean gum and

malto-dextrin. Plus I bought it at an all vegan store here in

Portland called Food Fight. If anyone is in the area, this little

store has grown rapidly and has a lot of great products! I think they

have a website, but I'm not sure of the address. foodfight.com maybe?

Yeah, vegan gelatin!!

 

Marisa

 

, " valarie " <adi_valarie>

wrote:

> Teresa wrote [[The Newstart cookbook refers to something called

Emes

> kosher geletin ]]

> ** Are you sure this is vegan? Kosher implies blessed & killed in

a

> specific manner, but not vegan. I vaguely remember this being

> regular geletin, just Kosher.

>

> Om Peace!..

> Valarie

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