Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 In a message dated 12/22/2002 5:52:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: > >Circe is indeed the goddess who lured sailors to her island and then > >turned them into swine. However, she did finally relent and give them > >directions to get home. No doubt this was the genesis of men being > >afraid to stop for directions. > >~ Lauren Collins > > > " You got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because > you might not get there. " - Yogi Berra > How appropriate to have these two quotes come in together... LOL!!! Happy Holidays, Sherri Come check out my new e-mail group! Cyber_Chat_Cafe " Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night. " ~~Santa Claus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Hi, ME TOO!!! I check them out every post. love it! becky HAPPY FALL YALL!!! www.pkdcure.org ---- Tuesday, November 04, 2003 07:38:02 PM Quotes Hi PT, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate the particular quotes you so often place at the bottom of your posts. I save them in a word processing file so that I can read them whenever I need to, to be inspired, to be comforted. Thank you. ~Nita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Thanks Nita, that is so sweet. I am glad you like them. Not all of them have to do with vegetarianism, but they have all been found to have hit something meaningful to me so I saved them and pass them along in a random way. ~ PT ~ There is a great deal of poetry and fine sentiment in a chest of tea. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, " Letters and Social Aims " ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~> , " Nita Crabb " <nitacrabb@c...> wrote: > Hi PT, > > I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate the particular quotes you so often place at the bottom of your posts. I save them in a word processing file so that I can read them whenever I need to, to be inspired, to be comforted. > > Thank you. > > ~Nita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 That's awesome, nikki. Thanks for doing that. As I come across my veggie related quotes I will stop and drop them in there. They are just scattered in my computer folder in a haphazard way right now, so it will be nice to get the topic related quotes into one file here. ~ PT ~ There's no sauce in the world like hunger. ~ Miguel de Cervantes, novelist (1547-1616) ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~> , " goodkarma " < karmacharmer@m...> wrote: > I created a folder in the files section and labeled it " Quotes " ... i didn't have any to add, but the space is there for those that do have some to share. > peace > nikki > ps... pt, i hope this wasn't out of line! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 On Jan 10, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Rawist wrote: > > > Flesh eating is unprovoked murder. -- Benjamin Franklin > I hate factory farming but flesh eating is part of the world we live in. Foxes eat fowl. Snakes eat rats. I used to have a boa, I didn't like seeing it suffocate rats so I would knock them out before feeding time, but nature is cruel and ruthless and boas soffocate animals all day long in the wild. I don't eat meat because I don't think I am biochemically designed to eat it. When I see a tiger clamp on to a gazelles neck it makes me think, " wow that sucks for the gazelle " , but the truth is that is the way the tiger lives. I don't consider indians who killed buffalo and ate them murderers just predators. --------------------------- One fourth of what you eat keeps you alive. The other three-fourths keep your doctor alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 > " Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all > evolution. Until we stop harming ALL other living beings, we are > still savages. " > --Thomas A. Edison > I always feel some pangs of quilt when I weed my garden or cut down a living tree for firewood. Some Buddhist sects wear masks so as not to breath in any small creatures and carry brushes to brush away insects when they walk. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:49:20PM -0700, Bruce Stordock wrote: > > > > " Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all > > evolution. Until we stop harming ALL other living beings, we are > > still savages. " > > --Thomas A. Edison > > > > I always feel some pangs of quilt when I weed my garden or cut down a living > tree for firewood. Some Buddhist sects wear masks so as not to breath in any > small creatures and carry brushes to brush away insects when they walk. why not just step over them? In the wild are ripping each others throats out and some people are wearing masks to stop killing bugs. Where do you draw the line? We could say not to eat plants where you kill the living plant. Only fruit. What about microbes? I don't believe in killing without a purpose, but much of life is based on killing for food it happens all around us. Anyhow, maybe we should refrain from discussing politics on this forum. We probably would just disagree anyway. Don't take me the wrong way, I have always not been one to kill any thing. I used to tell my grandpa to let me do the bug spraying of insects they found in the house. Then I'd catch them and let throw them out side. We all come here for different reasons. I don't eat meat for purly health reasons, others because they don't think it is right to kill to eat. I think we are better off not stating our views on this but focusing on the common ground we all have. It could easily turn into an arguemnt. Which is ok with me (we don't have to take it personally) but probably not best here. If you really want to discuss this, feel free to email me personally. just to be clear for communication sake, I'm upset or mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 So the question is: are humans just animals like all the other animals; or do we humans have some dimension to us that transcends our animal nature? If the latter is true, then we have some 'splaining to do. Really, we'd be obligated to a higher ethos, rather than simply behaving as animals. What the other animals do then, is not necessarily pertinent to our behavior. If there is a Creator, and the Creator demands moral behavior of us, then the Creator has some 'splaining to do too. Or, we were designed to some day recognize a higher ethos, and apply that to our living. tev --- John de la Garza <john wrote: > On Jan 10, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Rawist wrote: > > > > > > > Flesh eating is unprovoked murder. -- Benjamin > Franklin > > > > I don't consider indians who killed buffalo and ate > them murderers just > predators. ===== [...there'll be love and laughter, and peace ever after, just you wait and see... ---Vera Lynn] The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I believe humans survive death as individuals because of the spirit of God within them, animals don't have this spirit and don't survive as individuals. So, " what the other animals do then, is not necessarily pertinent to our behavior. " I think " we were designed to some day recognize a higher ethos, and apply that to our living. " Rich rawfood , tev treowlufu <coac2002> wrote: > > So the question is: are humans just animals > like all the other animals; or do we humans > have some dimension to us that transcends > our animal nature? > > If the latter is true, then we have some > 'splaining to do. Really, we'd be obligated > to a higher ethos, rather than simply behaving > as animals. What the other animals do then, is > not necessarily pertinent to our behavior. > > If there is a Creator, and > the Creator demands moral behavior of us, then > the Creator has some 'splaining to do too. Or, > we were designed to some day recognize a higher > ethos, and apply that to our living. > > tev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 are the American Indians that killed buffalo and did it for food murderers in your opinion? Or simply hunters/predators? On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:06:45PM -0000, Rawist wrote: > > > I believe humans survive death as individuals because of the spirit > of God within them, animals don't have this spirit and don't survive > as individuals. So, " what the other animals do then, is not > necessarily pertinent to our behavior. " I think " we were designed to > some day recognize a higher ethos, and apply that to our living. " > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Hunters/predators. Mankind evolves and what was perfectly acceptable at some point may evolve to no longer be. We could certainly make a law where there is no killing of animals for food, but society isn't ready for such a thing. For that matter, I think we should make a law regulating the amount someone can earn so everyone who wants to can work. But that'll never happen in my lifetime. Raw foodism is in its little childhood, but I suspect it will grow slowly and someday wax as victorious as cooked is now. What was done in the past was a different culture and technological environment. Rich rawfood , johnd <john@j...> wrote: > are the American Indians that killed buffalo and did it for food murderers > in your opinion? Or simply hunters/predators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 > I believe humans survive death as individuals because of the spirit > of God within them, animals don't have this spirit and don't survive > as individuals. Many of the faiths that teach reincarnation believe that the progress of soul through the cosmos is one of growth and advancing in conscious awareness from one incarnation to the next with soul gaining higher states of consciousness as it progresses and incarnates into progressively higher life forms culminating in the human form and eventually moving beyond this world. peace, Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I believe that, but until the progression of consciousness develops through the lower form to the will creature form (human), the beings do not exist in eternity as individuals. For this to occur you have to have the capacity to know God. For example, a race of animals exists and they eventually bear legitimate will creatures (humans). Those forebear animals don't exist eternally as individuals, they may have the ability, in after death consciousness, to reincarnate as one of the humans that is now being produced. Prior to being a forebearer to humans that animal may have existed in various levels of consciousness as an individual. Of course, this progression is not self-willed. Rich rawfood , " Bruce Stordock " <stordock@t...> > Many of the faiths that teach reincarnation believe that the progress of soul > through the cosmos is one of growth and advancing in conscious awareness from > one incarnation to the next with soul gaining higher states of consciousness as > it progresses and incarnates into progressively higher life forms culminating in > the human form and eventually moving beyond this world. > > peace, Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 > until the progression of consciousness develops > through the lower form to the will creature form (human), the beings > do not exist in eternity as individuals. For this to occur you have > to have the capacity to know God. My own beliefs differ from this in that I believe that all forms of life have an individual, immortal, inextinguishable soul. Minerals too for that matter, every snowflake has an immortal soul in my view of things. : -) Namaste, Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Progression has to be self-willed, because it is a choice. Survival is a choice we make. Right? As an aside (IMO), human ethics isn't based upon the sentience or non-sentience of other creatures. It is based upon knowledge of truth and goodness. We should be ethical, (IMO), because we love goodness. tev --- Rawist <seconaphim wrote: > Of course, this > progression is > not self-willed. > > Rich ===== [...there'll be love and laughter, and peace ever after, just you wait and see... ---Vera Lynn] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 My personal experiences with wild dolphins has shown me that not only are they psychic (much more so than humans), but they also have a Creator identifying capacity; and probably migrate into the after-death just like we do. Rich is probably right about " most " of the non-human animals. Their lines are evolving, and haven't reached a soul-surviving consciousness yet. However, that doesn't mean that they don't deserve love and respect from humans (irrespective of what they do to one another). tev __ > >Rich: I believe humans survive death as individuals > because of the spirit > > of God within them, animals don't have this spirit > and don't survive > > as individuals. > > > Bruce: Many of the faiths that teach reincarnation believe > that the progress of soul > through the cosmos is one of growth and advancing in > conscious awareness from > one incarnation to the next with soul gaining higher > states of consciousness as > it progresses and incarnates into progressively > higher life forms culminating in > the human form and eventually moving beyond this > world. ===== [...there'll be love and laughter, and peace ever after, just you wait and see... ---Vera Lynn] Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I don't know, maybe. rawfood , " Bruce Stordock " <stordock@t...> wrote: > My own beliefs differ from this in that I believe that all forms of life have > an individual, immortal, inextinguishable soul. Minerals too for that matter, > every snowflake has an immortal soul in my view of things. : -) > > Namaste, Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Yes, I believe survival is a choice we make as will creatures. The issue was about animals willing themselves to the next level and I suppose they might in some way because they have mind, but maybe not the plant kingdom. Progression is most certainly either self-willed or not for us, a choice. I agree with your second statement. Rich rawfood , tev treowlufu <coac2002> wrote: > > Progression has to be self-willed, because it is a > choice. Survival is a choice we make. Right? > > As an aside (IMO), human ethics isn't based upon the > sentience or non-sentience of other creatures. It is > based upon knowledge of truth and goodness. We should > be ethical, (IMO), because we love goodness. > > tev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I concur, Rich. I do not see plants as having sentience. There is no remorseful feeling in me at pulling up a carrot, and eating it. Of course, I do/would feel remorse at the idea or act of chopping down a grand tree. They are beautiful to me, and destroying beauty rattles me. Still, trees provide lumber for houses; that is a great gift. Non-human animals have the same opportunity, according to evolutionary processes, to choose to walk a path of higher consciousness that our particular order of human animal has done. Well, at least it is possible. tev --- Rawist <seconaphim wrote: > Yes, I believe survival is a choice we make as will > creatures. The > issue was about animals willing themselves to the > next level and I > suppose they might in some way because they have > mind, but maybe not > the plant kingdom. Progression is most certainly > either self-willed > or not for us, a choice. I agree with your second > statement. > > Rich ===== [...there'll be love and laughter, and peace ever after, just you wait and see... ---Vera Lynn] The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I thought you guys might find these quotes interesting, some you may have heard before. I find them very inspiring, especially since these great thinkers were centuries ahead of their time! Does anyone know of any other good veg quotes? " I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals. " -Henry David Thoreau " I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men. " -Leonardo DaVinci " I do feel that spiritual progress does demand at some stage that we should cease to kill our fellow creatures for the the satisfaction of our bodily wants. " -Gandhi " I know, in my soul, that to eat a creature who is raised to be eaten, and who never has a chance to be a real being, is unhealthy. It's like . . . you're just eating misery. You're eating a bitter life. " -Alice Walker “ The eating of meat extinguishes the seed of great compassion.” - Buddha “Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.” - Albert Einstein “Animals are my friends . . . and I don’t eat my friends.” - George Bernard Shaw “Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace.” - Albert Schweitzer “Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings we are still savages.” - Thomas Edison “You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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