Let's do the timewarp again [mod] (was once it's the cardinal winning fan club)

[Guest guest]

> Yep, I guess it's easier to demonise me, because it

> diverts you from looking critically at yourself and what you did.

 

I had a bloody good reply to this but IE for Mac seems to have

lost it and has no undo facility. And really Ihave no patience with

the lot of you to type it all out again. And it included sex. So I'm

just going to post what didn't get lost because it makes the point

I wanted to say anyway...

 

This discussion looks to be getting out of hand, can everyone

step back and think before writing because I have no qualms in

moderating anyone.

 

> That is a much more serious harm than

> beating up a gay person and causing a few bruises, because

the person still

> has his or her life.

 

Why do you feel the need to classify one harm as worse than

another, can't they just both be bad? And what for the argument

that the gay person will have to suffer, possibly for the rest of

their life, something the aborted child did not, or at worst only

briefly? I have no desire to argue this but some people might,

and I doubt it would be pretty.

 

I'm happy to defend your right to express you view on abortion, I

don't agree but I respect it because it is unusally very coherent

and lacking contradiction, but if you're going to start making

comments like that there isn't much I can do to help. You haven't

said anything wrong in the rules of the list but surely you must

know how people will respond and how neutral people will

consider you? I can assure you it does you no favours and

threatens to inflame the situation.

 

Michael

The getting weary list owner

[Guest guest]

I'd like to have read that good reply you lost, a shame you lost it. Please

understand, since you say the reply included something about sex, that I am

not judging Jane for being sexually active as a teenager, sex is not the

issue, taking innocent life in a non-self-defence situation is the issue

here. If she was to use violence to defend herself against anyone it should

have been against her violent alcoholic father, not her own baby! If she had

to do violence it would have been better to stab him to death in

self-defence (and bury him under the patio maybe) than abort her baby. But

it's easier to do what is legal than to fight back against a bully, I guess,

if you can fool yourself that you are just removing bit of your own body.

My theory still stands that Jane finds it easier to demonise me and make

false assumptions about my character, than to look critically at the killing

she was so very closely involved in and is still in denial about.

 

By classifying a beating up as less than killing (it seems obvious, and I

fail to see why that would be inflammatory), I'm trying to help people who

are extremely against Cardinal Winning, to get these issues into

perspective. To many people, the unborn perhaps do not seem real, as they

are small and not seen (except on ultrasound). I am so looking forward to

the Pro-life Alliance being allowed to show the reality of abortion on TV,

just as Channel 4 screened the Animals Film. I would think it would have a

similar effect on people's attitudes to abortion as the Animals Film had on

attitudes to animals.

 

You may not agree with me on abortion, but that does not surprise me too

much as you are someone who has suffered severe depression and been

suicidal, so perhaps that makes you feel quite differently from me about how

important it is to allow humans to live, since you have difficulty

respecting your own life. I have no problem with valuing my own life,

therefore no problem valuing another human life. Maybe because of your

psychological make-up, you cannot feel the same about this issue. I find it

harder to understand Jane's perspective of apparently denying even the

existence of her own child, as she clearly loves life and loves being auntie

to her friends' children.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

mavreela [nec.lists]

27 March 2002 21:37

 

Let's do the timewarp again [mod] (was once it's the

cardinal winning fan club)

 

 

> Yep, I guess it's easier to demonise me, because it

> diverts you from looking critically at yourself and what you did.

 

I had a bloody good reply to this but IE for Mac seems to have

lost it and has no undo facility. And really Ihave no patience with

the lot of you to type it all out again. And it included sex. So I'm

just going to post what didn't get lost because it makes the point

I wanted to say anyway...

 

This discussion looks to be getting out of hand, can everyone

step back and think before writing because I have no qualms in

moderating anyone.

 

> That is a much more serious harm than

> beating up a gay person and causing a few bruises, because

the person still

> has his or her life.

 

Why do you feel the need to classify one harm as worse than

another, can't they just both be bad? And what for the argument

that the gay person will have to suffer, possibly for the rest of

their life, something the aborted child did not, or at worst only

briefly? I have no desire to argue this but some people might,

and I doubt it would be pretty.

 

I'm happy to defend your right to express you view on abortion, I

don't agree but I respect it because it is unusally very coherent

and lacking contradiction, but if you're going to start making

comments like that there isn't much I can do to help. You haven't

said anything wrong in the rules of the list but surely you must

know how people will respond and how neutral people will

consider you? I can assure you it does you no favours and

threatens to inflame the situation.

 

Michael

The getting weary list owner

 

 

 

~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author,

there may be another side to the story you have not heard.

---------------------------

Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>

Un: send a blank message to -