Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Now they're saying 1m people crowded Westminster for the slow ten minute passage of QM from Westminster Hall to Westminster Abbey!!! But you couldn't fit anything like a million people in that space even if you could fill the whole road taken by the parade! Beware Government Lie Machine Writing History in Defence of Monarchy and Privilege and Theft and Murder! Edith > " slg edith " <slgedith > > >Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE!!!! (maybe slightly ot) >Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:43:01 +0000 > >Anyone else notice that live comentary of the state procession to >Westminster Hall last week realistically estimated crowd numbers between >10,000 and 20,000 and you could see it was but evening news gave out >400,000 >and that's what made it in all the papers next day??? > >FU*KING BIG LIARS! > >Edith > >PS our Moderator seems to think you can't slag QM cos it's " unfair to >royalists " ! So we shouldn't slag Hitler then cos it's " unfair to fascists " ? > >Rage against the Machine! > >_______________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Chill out Edith, don't worry about it!!!!!! Make yourself a nice herbal tea and lie down in a darkened room. You'll feel better in no time! p.s. Where is Ian and Lesley? Have they too deserted this sinking ship that was once a popular vegan e-group?! *lol* Janey x - " slg edith " <slgedith Tuesday, April 09, 2002 7:12 PM Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) > Now they're saying 1m people crowded Westminster for the slow ten minute > passage of QM from Westminster Hall to Westminster Abbey!!! > > But you couldn't fit anything like a million people in that space even if > you could fill the whole road taken by the parade! > > Beware Government Lie Machine Writing History in Defence of Monarchy and > Privilege and Theft and Murder! > > Edith > > > > > > " slg edith " <slgedith > > > > > >Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE!!!! (maybe slightly ot) > >Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:43:01 +0000 > > > >Anyone else notice that live comentary of the state procession to > >Westminster Hall last week realistically estimated crowd numbers between > >10,000 and 20,000 and you could see it was but evening news gave out > >400,000 > >and that's what made it in all the papers next day??? > > > >FU*KING BIG LIARS! > > > >Edith > > > >PS our Moderator seems to think you can't slag QM cos it's " unfair to > >royalists " ! So we shouldn't slag Hitler then cos it's " unfair to fascists " ? > > > >Rage against the Machine! > > > >_______________ > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > _______________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 , " slg edith " <slgedith@h...> wrote: > Now they're saying 1m people crowded Westminster for the slow ten minute > passage of QM from Westminster Hall to Westminster Abbey!!! > > But you couldn't fit anything like a million people in that space even if > you could fill the whole road taken by the parade! > > Beware Government Lie Machine Writing History in Defence of Monarchy and > Privilege and Theft and Murder! > > Edith > Pay attention Edith, the news reports said 1m people lined the route from Westminister to Windsor. You'll never make court correspondent if you can't get your facts right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Have you been upsetting people again Janey ? Angie - Janey Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:31 PM Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) p.s. Where is Ian and Lesley? Have they too deserted this sinking shipthat was once a popular vegan e-group?! *lol*Janeyxoffline>> Un: send a blank message to - >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 I don't recall upsetting anyone. I wrote to Lesley off list to ask if she was okay. Janey x - Angie Wright Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:44 PM Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) Have you been upsetting people again Janey ? Angie - Janey Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:31 PM Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) p.s. Where is Ian and Lesley? Have they too deserted this sinking shipthat was once a popular vegan e-group?! *lol*Janeyxoffline>> Un: send a blank message to - >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Is betting on when ANYONE dies really in the spirit of this list? I don't really care who they are, I apply the same rule for the royal family as I do for messages about for your own families or even for people you don't know. Some people may deserve it more than others, but that's not the point. Nicey, nicey, now. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 It is when they regularly kill wild life that " belongs" to all of us . The only safe aristo is a dead one , from the animals point of view and I'm on the animal's (victim's ) side - Mavreela Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:04 AM Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) Is betting on when ANYONE dies really in the spirit of this list?~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 the most depressing thing about it, as my girlfriend pointed out emotionally... and she found the whole thing insulting... is that... those at the funeral are living their lives through someone else... living their emotions through someone who does not have anything to do with them ... as people seem to be getting sad or happy over Beckham ... Big Brother.... angry over footballers... elated over footballers... mourning the Queen Mum's death is just another excuse to show to the world that we are living vicarious lives... living through someone else... from Ananova News: " Three people have been struck down with hypothermia after camping out overnight in a bid for prime positions to watch the Queen Mother's funeral procession in Westminster. The Red Cross says the trio, believed to be middle-aged, were taken to hospital after police noticed their distress. The charity says it is unlikely that they would be well enough to rejoin the crowds filling Westminster in time for the service " Why the £%* " would they want to rejoin if they have hypothermia? (i doubt they were middle-aged... i don't believe them... either they were or they weren't...) they probably recorded the whole thing aswell on tv... > > Mavreela [nec.lists] > Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:04 AM > > Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) > > > Is betting on when ANYONE dies really in the spirit of this list? > > I don't really care who they are, I apply the same rule for the royal > family as I do for messages about for your own families or > even for people > you don't know. Some people may deserve it more than others, > but that's > not the point. > > Nicey, nicey, now. > > Michael > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Hmm, I had a similar kind of reaction with my partner when they said on the TV news about the people who got ill. > those at the funeral are living their lives through someone >else... If you ask me those that are getting so worked up by royalty are also living their lives through someone else. Just being driven by hatred. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 This reaction is as old as the hills. People do it everywhere, even on this list, people often emotionaly attach themselves to the plight of animals and get upset. This emotional connection is often held high in regard, in that because they cry etc, they really care. It's got nothing to do with caring. My mum has a friend who crys at every funeral, suffers every woe of everyone. It's sickening to watch. To be so vacant of displeasure that you have to express your painfull void in empathy with anothers suffering. This is why I sometimes don't like the " abotoir " style AR leaflets. Emotional blackmail sucks. Dr P.C.Talking , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > Hmm, I had a similar kind of reaction with my partner when they said on the > TV news about the people who got ill. > > > those at the funeral are living their lives through someone > >else... > > If you ask me those that are getting so worked up by royalty are also > living their lives through someone else. Just being driven by hatred. > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 > If you ask me those that are getting so worked up by royalty are also > living their lives through someone else. Just being driven by hatred. > > Michael i won't ask you then ... if your emotions are dragged around by the actions of another...? then aren't you allowing yourself to be driven by something external... not by hatred....? if you see people allowing themselves to be dominated this way... you can understand the avoidance that is prevalent in our society of our own problems and our own suffering... if you yourself are suffering whilst watching these people avoiding their own suffering ... it's likely it will anger you ... much like a person giving up cigarettes gets angry watching someone else relieving their mental/emotional suffering by having a cigarette... when we suffer ... what can anger us the most is seeing other people avoiding it... this goes for AR and veganism ... many on this list will admit to getting angry when they see meat-eaters ... hunters ... etc... who are really mentally 'avoiding' what i think is an innate compassion for the suffering of animals/other humans... (albeit through years of social conditioning)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 >If you ask me those that are getting so worked up by royalty are also >living their lives through someone else. Just being driven by hatred. Michael Monarchy is not a person and is not equal to the person of the monarch! Every royalist knows that, even if Michael does not! Monarchy is an obscurantist institution of governance in a filthy social hierarchy of theft, exploitation and murder and deserves the hatred that cut down Charles Stuart and the Bourbon, Hapsburg, Hozenzollern and Romanov scum but never went far enough! Hate, hate, hate! Edith the Red Guard _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 What would you suggest instead? Have you thought of the costs implication of no longer having a Royal Family? Who would you have run this country? No, on second thoughts, don't answer. I somehow think I don't want to know! *lol* Janey x - " slg edith " <slgedith Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:05 PM RE: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) > >If you ask me those that are getting so worked up by royalty are also > >living their lives through someone else. Just being driven by hatred. > Michael > > Monarchy is not a person and is not equal to the person of the monarch! > > Every royalist knows that, even if Michael does not! > > Monarchy is an obscurantist institution of governance in a filthy social > hierarchy of theft, exploitation and murder and deserves the hatred that cut > down Charles Stuart and the Bourbon, Hapsburg, Hozenzollern and Romanov scum > but never went far enough! > > Hate, hate, hate! > > Edith the Red Guard > > _______________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 , " Janey " <janey@p...> wrote: > What would you suggest instead? Have you thought of the costs implication > of no longer having a Royal Family? Anarchy would be free... ;-) BSG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 >Monarchy is not a person and is not equal to the person of the monarch! Never said it was. >Monarchy is an obscurantist institution of governance in a filthy social >hierarchy of theft, exploitation and murder But wishing someone dead is equating it with a person. Wouldn't reform be better? How many members of this list used to be meat eaters? Should we hate them for what they did, or let them off because they changed. >Hate, hate, hate! Fine, try telling it to Oliver though. I'm the one who said hate is a good thing. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 >What would you suggest instead? Why does there need to be something in place of a royal family? I really don't understand why people automatically presume that we would have to have a president if we stopped being a monarchy. >Have you thought of the costs implication of no longer having a Royal Family? Wouldn't we just save all the money that goes towards the civil list, probably the upkeep of various buildings, as well as extra income from the royal family paying full taxation as would be required of anyone else. >Who would you have run this country? In the last century the monarchy only once refused to sign a parliamentary act, and that was because parliament requested it as the law was no longer required and this way was more expedient than having to go through the whole process of having it repealed. The monarchist part of our " Parliamentary Monarchy " system of government is purely ceremonial and so to remove it from this position would make no difference at all to the running of the country. As for parliamentary democracy, it allows people who know nothing about complex matters to choose the government which will best pander to their own short term interests and preserve the status quo. A government, that is, formed of people who stand not for the interests of their constituents, or even their own ideologies, but those of the ruling executive of the party for which they stand. Parties which, for sake of their own survival, take their funding from commercial organizations which have their own interests and so are able to assert influence over policy. Michael >No, on second thoughts, don't answer. I somehow think I don't want to know! >*lol* > >Janey >x > >- > " slg edith " <slgedith > >Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:05 PM >RE: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) > > > > >If you ask me those that are getting so worked up by royalty are also > > >living their lives through someone else. Just being driven by hatred. > > Michael > > > > Monarchy is not a person and is not equal to the person of the monarch! > > > > Every royalist knows that, even if Michael does not! > > > > Monarchy is an obscurantist institution of governance in a filthy social > > hierarchy of theft, exploitation and murder and deserves the hatred that >cut > > down Charles Stuart and the Bourbon, Hapsburg, Hozenzollern and Romanov >scum > > but never went far enough! > > > > Hate, hate, hate! > > > > Edith the Red Guard > > > > _______________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > > --------------------------- > > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > > Un: send a blank message to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I'm fully aware of that. But a lot of money is generated because we have a Royal Family. Tourism etc. And besides the fact, the majority of people love them anyway. Janey x > > The monarchist part of our " Parliamentary Monarchy " system of government is > purely ceremonial and so to remove it from this position would make no > difference at all to the running of the country. > Michael > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 >But a lot of money is generated because we have a Royal Family. Tourism >etc. And besides the fact, the majority of people love them anyway. Is money really everything? Maybe when I hear talk of all the jobs which would be lost through abolishing hunting I should actually take them seriously? How much of the Pamplona tourism industry is based around the running of the bulls? I always get skeptical about political and ethical arguments when money is seemingly put ahead of what it is right or fair. Anyway, unlike Edith, I'm not advocating killing them off so they will still be there for people to love or spend money gawking over if they must. That said it is the palaces and other buildings that the visitors actually see, not the royal family itself, so think how much more money we could make by opening up Balmoral and the rest to the public. And really, is it fair to saw that because they just happened to be born into the royal family they must be forced into being a tourist attraction? It's probably in their own best interests to be allowed to become normal people, without their every move being opened to public scrutiny. Somehow " it's alright to sacrifice their right to a normal life because it brings in tourism money " just doesn't make good reading to me. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I never consider royalty .but I get angry about the media making up lies ,saying how upset the nation is etc ..It is important to counter it so we know we are not alone . We also have to guard against the increasing hysteria that the media encourage . I also get annoyed when my programmes on TV get dropped . It happens for that other "god" called football - Mavreela Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:21 PM RE: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II).If you ask me those that are getting so worked up by royalty are also living their lives through someone else. Just being driven by hatred.Michael~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 No one should be allowed such wealth, while others live in cardboard boxes .And she apparently is in a great amount of debt . (we wouldn't be allowed to get into that sort of debt ) I do hope we aren't going to have to pay for it !!!!!!! I didn't vote for any of the hunting parasites - Janey Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:19 PM Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) What would you suggest instead? Have you thought of the costs implicationof no longer having a Royal Family? Who would you have run this country?No, on second thoughts, don't answer. I somehow think I don't want to know!*lol*Janeyx~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 I think it is in everyones interests that we all borrow as much as possible and refuse as far as possible to pay it back. It's also a good idea to spend or sell your aquired borrowings on the black market. Oh and did I say smash up posh cars?...but not posh scooters like MrBigs... he needs it to deliver vital black market medical supplies to invalids....honest! Dr P.C.Talking (non-tax deductable) , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote: > No one should be allowed such wealth, while others live in cardboard boxes .And she apparently is in a great amount of debt . (we wouldn't be allowed to get into that sort of debt ) > > I do hope we aren't going to have to pay for it !!!!!!! I didn't vote for any of the hunting parasites > > Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 The QM was in debt who pays for that ?? I don't benefit from tourists nor do most people How can people love people they don't know ?. I think most people aren't bothered but they are afraid to say so because the media have been telling us we are upset . The kids in my school got it right . I heard a few complaining about having to go to the hall for a talk and a minutes silence " Why have we got to do that" . "what did she ever do for us ?.She wouldn't care if I died " etc etc But they were made to go along with the pretence .so all the newspapers could say that everyone observed the silence . People in shops /offices had to stand If your boss gives an order you do it -Jobs can be hard to get !!!!! - Janey Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:24 PM Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) I'm fully aware of that.But a lot of money is generated because we have a Royal Family. Tourismetc. And besides the fact, the majority of people love them anyway.Janeyx>> The monarchist part of our "Parliamentary Monarchy" system of governmentis> purely ceremonial and so to remove it from this position would make no> difference at all to the running of the country.> Michael>~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 But Michael, not all Royals are born into the family! Plenty of them MARRY into the Royal Family. So there is obviously some attraction to it all! Look at the Queen Mother's send off, and she wasn't born into that family, so she did have a choice which direction her life took! Janey x > And really, is it fair to saw that because they just happened to be born > into the royal family they must be forced into being a tourist > attraction? It's probably in their own best interests to be allowed to > become normal people, without their every move being opened to public scrutiny. > > Somehow " it's alright to sacrifice their right to a normal life because it > brings in tourism money " just doesn't make good reading to me. > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote: > The QM was in debt who pays for that ?? I don't benefit from tourists nor do most people > > How can people love people they don't know ?. > I think most people aren't bothered but they are afraid to say so because the media have been telling us we are upset . > > The kids in my school got it right . I heard a few complaining about having to go to the hall for a talk and a minutes silence " Why have we got to do that " . " what did she ever do for us ?. " " She wouldn't care if I died " etc etc But they were made to go along with the pretence .so all the newspapers could say that everyone observed the silence . > Did you make your feelings known about the royals and the minutes silence, or did you keep quiet? > People in shops /offices had to stand If your boss gives an order you do it -Jobs can be hard to get !!!!! > That was just media hype for the cameras. Most people either carried on working, got a cup of tea, went for a fag etc, and all those who worked in supermarkets and shops that were closed for the funeral had a few hours off and got paid for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 anyone who gives a negative reason for not having a monarchy is not living with the creative spirit ... monarchy = bad ... get rid of it .. and something will take its place... maybe something a lot better... maybe something a lot worse ... (big business cowered to by President Blair)... hmm... i could paint a really bleak future for Britain ... but i don't need to anymore... :-) > > Janey [janey] > Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:24 PM > > Re: QUEEN MOTHER LIES IN STATE (II) > > > I'm fully aware of that. > > But a lot of money is generated because we have a Royal > Family. Tourism > etc. And besides the fact, the majority of people love them anyway. > > Janey > x > > > > The monarchist part of our " Parliamentary Monarchy " system > of government > is > > purely ceremonial and so to remove it from this position > would make no > > difference at all to the running of the country. > > Michael > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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