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" What would you suggest instead? Have you thought of the costs implication

of no longer having a Royal Family? "

 

 

Dear Janey,

 

You became a vegan, I hear.

 

And yet the prevailing social norms are that we live off animals!

 

Somehow you managed to work out an alternative to the slaughterhouse!

 

SO WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO CONCEIVE OF SOCIETY EXCEPT IN TERMS OF

THE MEAT-MURDER INDUSTRY REPRESENTED BY MONARCHY?????????

 

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" Consider the costs " ????

 

What, like some romantic knight suddenly changed sides in some forgotten

battle 1,000 years ago so now his stupid inbred heirs got all this land and

its theirs when it comes to stopping us getting on it but its ours when it

comes to paying the bill to clean up their fucking mess?

 

Think BSE and FMD!

 

What are landowners for, Janey?

 

Yeah I HAVE considered the cost of keeping these parasites -- and they just

ain't worth it, you know?

 

Or do you mean the *cost* to the poor landowner????

 

Sob sob!

 

 

Edith

I'm with Voltaire -- let the last priest be strangled with the intestine of

the last landlord!

And John Ball 1381: " Good People! Things will never go well in England while

goods be held not in common! "

And Karl Marx and Frederick Engels: " From each according to their means to

each according to their needs! "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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slg edith wrote:

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> SO WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO CONCEIVE OF SOCIETY EXCEPT IN TERMS OF

> THE MEAT-MURDER INDUSTRY REPRESENTED BY MONARCHY?????????

>

 

So, who would you like to have elected President? More to the point, who

do you think would get the job?

 

Yes, SLG, it is Tony Bliar for President or Lizzie Windsor for impotent

monarch. Choose your evil carefully :).

 

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Welcome back Doctor!

 

No wiser I see :)

 

 

>Dr Ian McDonald <ian

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>Re: Just Listen to Janey!

>Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:41:10 +0100

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>slg edith wrote:

> >

> > SO WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO CONCEIVE OF SOCIETY EXCEPT IN TERMS

>OF

> > THE MEAT-MURDER INDUSTRY REPRESENTED BY MONARCHY?????????

> >

>

>So, who would you like to have elected President? More to the point, who

>do you think would get the job?

>

>Yes, SLG, it is Tony Bliar for President or Lizzie Windsor for impotent

>monarch. Choose your evil carefully :).

>

>--

>Ian McDonald

>

>http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/

 

 

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>So, who would you like to have elected President? More to the point, who

>do you think would get the job?

 

Wow, when I said I don't understand why people automatically assume that in

dropping a monarchy we would have to have a president I never thought that

Ian would be one of them.

 

Michael

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are you looking for a more socialist representation of the people M as an

answer? ...

 

you know it's a dream...

 

since we know that a presidency has its faults and the monarchy has its

faults... why would we want either?

 

but there isn't the creative spirit to break out of those traditions (not at

the moment anyway...) ... so either one is what we'll get...

 

>

> Mavreela [nec.lists]

> Friday, April 12, 2002 11:13 AM

>

> Re: Just Listen to Janey!

>

>

>

> >So, who would you like to have elected President? More to

> the point, who

> >do you think would get the job?

>

> Wow, when I said I don't understand why people automatically

> assume that in

> dropping a monarchy we would have to have a president I never

> thought that

> Ian would be one of them.

>

> Michael

>

>

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>are you looking for a more socialist representation of the people M as an

>answer? ...

 

It may just sound crazy, but you know what, I don't have the answer. I'm

still waiting to discover that perfect system but both the current one and

all the touted alternatives are flawed.

 

>since we know that a presidency has its faults and the monarchy has its

>faults... why would we want either?

 

My point is simply that the monarchy serves not constitutional function and

so if we remove them the government would carry on the same without anyone

in its place. But whenever the matter is discussed all everyone says is

" but if we get rid of the monarchy then we'd have a president which would

be worse " . No we wouldn't. It's just an excuse to make the monarchy seem

the lesser of two evils.

 

Getting rid of the monarchy would not change a thing, but it would save money.

 

Michael

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> It may just sound crazy, but you know what, I don't have the

> answer. I'm

> still waiting to discover that perfect system but both the

> current one and

> all the touted alternatives are flawed.

 

you're waiting to discover the perfect system?

 

you waiting to do something ...

you're going to discover it ...

and it's perfect ...

 

amazing.... we should make you king!

 

 

> in its place. But whenever the matter is discussed all

> everyone says is

> " but if we get rid of the monarchy then we'd have a president

> which would

> be worse " . No we wouldn't. It's just an excuse to make the

> monarchy seem

> the lesser of two evils.

 

but if we get rid of the monarchy and we don't have a president then we'd be

a Communist Republic which would be worse :-)

 

> Getting rid of the monarchy would not change a thing, but it

> would save money.

>

> Michael

 

it would change a bloody lot!

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>you're waiting to discover the perfect system?

 

I'm waiting for it to come along, and until it does I will never claim to

have the answer.

 

>you waiting to do something ...

>you're going to discover it ...

 

I never said that. I just mean I'm not going to jump on the Marxist band

wagon, or whatever else, when I think it is equally flawed as the current

system. Until I hear of (or come up with) a better system then I am not

going to support one that is bad, just in different ways.

 

>and it's perfect ...

 

Not perfect, better.

 

>amazing.... we should make you king!

 

Well yeah, that's a given.

 

> > Getting rid of the monarchy would not change a thing, but it

> > would save money.

>

>it would change a bloody lot!

 

How? We'd still be a parliamentary democracy.

 

Overthrowing the monarchy is different to overthrowing the government.

 

Michael

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There are all these *Just Listen to Janey* messages in my inbox. Anyone

fancy changing the subject line as I haven't been discussing this today, and

the subject line should reflect the topic, not me!

 

J

x

 

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" Mavreela " <nec.lists

 

Friday, April 12, 2002 2:00 PM

RE: Just Listen to Janey!

 

 

>

> >are you looking for a more socialist representation of the people M as an

> >answer? ...

>

> It may just sound crazy, but you know what, I don't have the answer. I'm

> still waiting to discover that perfect system but both the current one and

> all the touted alternatives are flawed.

>

> >since we know that a presidency has its faults and the monarchy has its

> >faults... why would we want either?

>

> My point is simply that the monarchy serves not constitutional function

and

> so if we remove them the government would carry on the same without anyone

> in its place. But whenever the matter is discussed all everyone says is

> " but if we get rid of the monarchy then we'd have a president which would

> be worse " . No we wouldn't. It's just an excuse to make the monarchy seem

> the lesser of two evils.

>

> Getting rid of the monarchy would not change a thing, but it would save

money.

>

> Michael

>

>

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Mavreela wrote:

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> >So, who would you like to have elected President? More to the point, who

> >do you think would get the job?

>

> Wow, when I said I don't understand why people automatically assume that in

> dropping a monarchy we would have to have a president I never thought that

> Ian would be one of them.

>

> Michael

 

Most international conventions are keyed into the idea of a head of

state.

 

What are the practical alternatives to an elected head of state?

 

If you weren't planning to call an elected head of state a monarchy,

what were you calling him or her?

 

(Apart from Mary Robertson. But we can't all be that lucky.)

 

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Ian McDonald

 

http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/

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