Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 Honestly Graham, yes it was a bit gay to write that. But I wrote it in response to the fact that you forwarded one of my messages to someone else, which besides being a breach of vegan UK rules, thouroughly pissed me off. I don't care anymore that you did it, but what annoys me is this bureaucratic approach to things, but fair enough, you're a moderator, and if I don't like bureaucracy OK I can bug off to vegans uncensored. So let me get this straight: because I'm not a moderator I'm not allowed to break vegan UK rules, but because you are, you are allowed to? , " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > YEAH MR BRAVE SIR GRAHAM. THANKS FOR NOTHING. > > > > Jules > > > > > > > Oh grow up Jules. Why don't you communicate with john instead of > spreading all the Vegan Network business around here and acting like > a drama queen? You had it explained to you why VN was placed on > moderation, which was nothing to do with you and your posts (which > were responded to positively and constructively, including by John) > you also had the post forwarded to you by me that explained that > John had no problem with approving your membership of VN, but it > seems it's more dramatic to keep making out that John allan is > victimising you. I suggest if you wish to continue this that it be > taken to Vegans uncensored. > > BSG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 >Honestly Graham, yes it was a bit gay to write that.... 'Gay' of course being a good thing to be...? >So let me get this straight: because >I'm not a moderator I'm not allowed to break vegan UK rules, but >because you are, you are allowed to? 'Straight' of course being a good thing to be...? Let's get things clear, 1) Graham is not a moderator on this list, 2) when he broke the rules I 'told him off', 3) you broke the rules too, 3) nobody is allowed to break the rules, 4) I'm not going to throw people off of the list for every little transgression and will warn them about their behaviour before doing anything, 5) you've both been warned. If there is any inequality here I'd love to see it, never mind the fact that Graham was trying to help rather than being 'gay'. Jules was upset, Graham was trying to help, and the archives are now back up and running on Vegan Network. There really is no longer anything to talk about so let's give this all a rest? Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 I meant that what I'd said (THANKS FOR NOTHING etc...)was a bit 'gay', not what graham had said, in reference to the fact that he said I was being a drama queen. I didn't intentionally write for any other reason. Sorry for using the word in a non-homosexual context. , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > >Honestly Graham, yes it was a bit gay to write that.... > > 'Gay' of course being a good thing to be...? > > >So let me get this straight: because > >I'm not a moderator I'm not allowed to break vegan UK rules, but > >because you are, you are allowed to? > > 'Straight' of course being a good thing to be...? > > Let's get things clear, 1) Graham is not a moderator on this list, 2) when > he broke the rules I 'told him off', 3) you broke the rules too, 3) nobody > is allowed to break the rules, 4) I'm not going to throw people off of the > list for every little transgression and will warn them about their > behaviour before doing anything, 5) you've both been warned. > > If there is any inequality here I'd love to see it, never mind the fact > that Graham was trying to help rather than being 'gay'. > > Jules was upset, Graham was trying to help, and the archives are now back > up and running on Vegan Network. There really is no longer anything to > talk about so let's give this all a rest? > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 > >Honestly Graham, yes it was a bit gay to write that.... > > 'Gay' of course being a good thing to be...? looks to me he was equating gay with offensive...? > >So let me get this straight: because > >I'm not a moderator I'm not allowed to break vegan UK rules, but > >because you are, you are allowed to? > > 'Straight' of course being a good thing to be...? more like he means 'not bent' ... like not gay ... inoffensive... > If there is any inequality here I'd love to see it, never > mind the fact > that Graham was trying to help rather than being 'gay'. > > Michael no no ... Mikky ... you got it wrong ... jules thought it was a bit gay of himself to write " Thanks for Nothing " to Graham, agreeing with BSG that he was acting a bit like a drama queen ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 >looks to me he was equating gay with offensive...? Really? You don't say... >more like he means 'not bent' ... like not gay ... inoffensive... ....actually he meant straight as in 'clear'. >no no ... Mikky ... you got it wrong ... jules thought it was a bit gay of >himself to write " Thanks for Nothing " to Graham, agreeing with BSG that he >was acting a bit like a drama queen ... Do I really have to explain everything, tsk tsk. What Jules did that was wrong was that 'gay' comment, yes, so my point is that what Graham did wrong was very different to that, i.e. it was not 'gay' but was an attempt to do some good, his motive was pure and all that kind of stuff that makes doing wrong less bad. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 I might possibly be gay, I've had loads of girlfriends, but my love life stopped completely when I went vegan. I won't find out till I leave the area I live in, its really conservative, the people here make me sick. , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote: > > >Honestly Graham, yes it was a bit gay to write that.... > > > > 'Gay' of course being a good thing to be...? > > looks to me he was equating gay with offensive...? > > > >So let me get this straight: because > > >I'm not a moderator I'm not allowed to break vegan UK rules, but > > >because you are, you are allowed to? > > > > 'Straight' of course being a good thing to be...? > > more like he means 'not bent' ... like not gay ... inoffensive... > > > > If there is any inequality here I'd love to see it, never > > mind the fact > > that Graham was trying to help rather than being 'gay'. > > > > Michael > > no no ... Mikky ... you got it wrong ... jules thought it was a bit gay of > himself to write " Thanks for Nothing " to Graham, agreeing with BSG that he > was acting a bit like a drama queen ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Having come to a standstill in your love life because you became more discerning about who you wanted to date does not mean you are gay Jules! Surely it's about who you are attracted to, not about not being able to get a girlfriend. If you were gay surely you would know deep down, wouldn't you? Mind you some people don't know (or don't accept their feelings) until they are quite old because they suppress it due to society's pressure to conform to the hetero norm. Not trying to put you off being gay, if you truly are, but it's a funny thing to think as a result of not getting a girlfriend for some time. One of my best friends in my teenage years turned out to be gay, he was the one person who cared about me when I was beaten up on the school bus because I stood up to the rough kids who were smoking on the bus, and no way would I take my dad's attitude to gay people (he did not like me being friends with Ian, just because he was gay). Lesley djules_75 [djules_75] 19 April 2002 20:38 Re: Graham OT I might possibly be gay, I've had loads of girlfriends, but my love life stopped completely when I went vegan. I won't find out till I leave the area I live in, its really conservative, the people here make me sick. , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote: > > >Honestly Graham, yes it was a bit gay to write that.... > > > > 'Gay' of course being a good thing to be...? > > looks to me he was equating gay with offensive...? > > > >So let me get this straight: because > > >I'm not a moderator I'm not allowed to break vegan UK rules, but > > >because you are, you are allowed to? > > > > 'Straight' of course being a good thing to be...? > > more like he means 'not bent' ... like not gay ... inoffensive... > > > > If there is any inequality here I'd love to see it, never > > mind the fact > > that Graham was trying to help rather than being 'gay'. > > > > Michael > > no no ... Mikky ... you got it wrong ... jules thought it was a bit gay of > himself to write " Thanks for Nothing " to Graham, agreeing with BSG that he > was acting a bit like a drama queen ... ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 I become 'gayer' sometimes when I'm on cannibis. But you're right I don't think I'm gay, I never used to like smoking it anyways till things got too much. When I was veggie ages ago I had a long relationship with a meat-eater (I wasn't choosy at the toime) and I remeber once I was going to kiss her and her breath smelt of fish cos she'd just eaten, and it really put me off as you can imagine. Now I couldn't go out with a meat-eater. Jules , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > Having come to a standstill in your love life because you became more > discerning about who you wanted to date does not mean you are gay Jules! > Surely it's about who you are attracted to, not about not being able to get > a girlfriend. > If you were gay surely you would know deep down, wouldn't you? > Mind you some people don't know (or don't accept their feelings) until they > are quite old because they suppress it due to society's pressure to conform > to the hetero norm. > Not trying to put you off being gay, if you truly are, but it's a funny > thing to think as a result of not getting a girlfriend for some time. > One of my best friends in my teenage years turned out to be gay, he was the > one person who cared about me when I was beaten up on the school bus because > I stood up to the rough kids who were smoking on the bus, and no way would I > take my dad's attitude to gay people (he did not like me being friends with > Ian, just because he was gay). > > Lesley > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > 19 April 2002 20:38 > > Re: Graham OT > > > I might possibly be gay, I've had loads of girlfriends, but my love > life stopped completely when I went vegan. I won't find out till I > leave the area I live in, its really conservative, the people here > make me sick. > > > , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote: > > > >Honestly Graham, yes it was a bit gay to write that.... > > > > > > 'Gay' of course being a good thing to be...? > > > > looks to me he was equating gay with offensive...? > > > > > >So let me get this straight: because > > > >I'm not a moderator I'm not allowed to break vegan UK rules, but > > > >because you are, you are allowed to? > > > > > > 'Straight' of course being a good thing to be...? > > > > more like he means 'not bent' ... like not gay ... inoffensive... > > > > > > > If there is any inequality here I'd love to see it, never > > > mind the fact > > > that Graham was trying to help rather than being 'gay'. > > > > > > Michael > > > > no no ... Mikky ... you got it wrong ... jules thought it was a bit > gay of > > himself to write " Thanks for Nothing " to Graham, agreeing with BSG > that he > > was acting a bit like a drama queen ... > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Quite right to be choosy! The good news is that there are more veggie women than men, so you should have the opportunity to find someone. Dead animals, especially fish is nasty on the breath, but many people would say that smokers' breath is at least as much of a turn-off aesthetically speaking (beery-breath too is yucky). Most vegans and veggies are non-smokers and do not want a relationship with a smoker in fact, you only have to check out VMM and other veggie dating agencies to see this is the case. Lesley djules_75 [djules_75] 21 April 2002 19:16 Re: Graham OT I become 'gayer' sometimes when I'm on cannibis. But you're right I don't think I'm gay, I never used to like smoking it anyways till things got too much. When I was veggie ages ago I had a long relationship with a meat-eater (I wasn't choosy at the toime) and I remeber once I was going to kiss her and her breath smelt of fish cos she'd just eaten, and it really put me off as you can imagine. Now I couldn't go out with a meat-eater. Jules , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > Having come to a standstill in your love life because you became more > discerning about who you wanted to date does not mean you are gay Jules! > Surely it's about who you are attracted to, not about not being able to get > a girlfriend. > If you were gay surely you would know deep down, wouldn't you? > Mind you some people don't know (or don't accept their feelings) until they > are quite old because they suppress it due to society's pressure to conform > to the hetero norm. > Not trying to put you off being gay, if you truly are, but it's a funny > thing to think as a result of not getting a girlfriend for some time. > One of my best friends in my teenage years turned out to be gay, he was the > one person who cared about me when I was beaten up on the school bus because > I stood up to the rough kids who were smoking on the bus, and no way would I > take my dad's attitude to gay people (he did not like me being friends with > Ian, just because he was gay). > > Lesley > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > 19 April 2002 20:38 > > Re: Graham OT > > > I might possibly be gay, I've had loads of girlfriends, but my love > life stopped completely when I went vegan. I won't find out till I > leave the area I live in, its really conservative, the people here > make me sick. > > > , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote: > > > >Honestly Graham, yes it was a bit gay to write that.... > > > > > > 'Gay' of course being a good thing to be...? > > > > looks to me he was equating gay with offensive...? > > > > > >So let me get this straight: because > > > >I'm not a moderator I'm not allowed to break vegan UK rules, but > > > >because you are, you are allowed to? > > > > > > 'Straight' of course being a good thing to be...? > > > > more like he means 'not bent' ... like not gay ... inoffensive... > > > > > > > If there is any inequality here I'd love to see it, never > > > mind the fact > > > that Graham was trying to help rather than being 'gay'. > > > > > > Michael > > > > no no ... Mikky ... you got it wrong ... jules thought it was a bit > gay of > > himself to write " Thanks for Nothing " to Graham, agreeing with BSG > that he > > was acting a bit like a drama queen ... > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 it's probably true to say that one can find reality only when one isn't following one's dick around all the time... > > djules_75 [djules_75] > Sunday, April 21, 2002 7:16 PM > > Re: Graham OT > > > I become 'gayer' sometimes when I'm on cannibis. But you're right I > don't think I'm gay, I never used to like smoking it anyways till > things got too much. When I was veggie ages ago I had a long > relationship with a meat-eater (I wasn't choosy at the toime) and I > remeber once I was going to kiss her and her breath smelt of fish cos > she'd just eaten, and it really put me off as you can imagine. Now I > couldn't go out with a meat-eater. > > Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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