Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Concerning the incident with my physics teacher, I wasn't using the fact that I'm vegan to hide the fact that I was drugged. It was he who saw me as ill and who assumed it was because i'm vegan. He asked if I was on a macrobiotic diet, I said no and explained that veganism doesn't make one go wierd, my wierd behaviour was because of other things. He asked what I was 'on', I said I was 'on' a chair (as in sitting on), which was the unadulterated truth, especially in Physics where gravity etc are common topics of conversation. He said i should go and get a burger and eat some 'proper food'. Cause I was stoned I couldn't be arsed for another ethics debate and left it at that. I feel I give veganism a bad name because I am the only one in my college and to my fellow students am the only one they know. Yet I have drug behavioural, and attitude problems so to many small minded judgemantal people there veganism must look like a crazy way to go. College is different to a prison because I choose to go there and I can leave when I want. Yet I spend a lot of time there (for education, not to attract girls) so inevitably mix a lot more with the average omnivore than I'd like to. J , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote: > > > then he justifies this 'looking ill' to anyone he feels in > > authority by > > > blaming it on his own diet... > > > > What a load of crap. > > fair enough... i don't know you... i just read what you write... > " To be fair to my physics teacher, I think he was genuinely worried > about me. I'd turned up to the first physics lesson completrely > drugged out of my head, and had to hide it because its illegal, he > thought it was because of my food, and this was a severe blow to me > because the whole class was listening and I was giving veganism a bad > name. " > > to be fair to the physics teacher... he was duped... > > to be fair on you... you were scared... > > > Its difficult being the only vegan in my college, sorry I can't be > > perfect as well. > > is this a small college? > > yes.. it's hard being the only vegan within a prison... but the prison is > not the world... and there are more vegans outside of your college than > there are students in your college... > > if it makes you feel any better - i think being imperfect is perfect.. > > " if you are sensitive to evreything then you will suffer more than someone > who is insensitive to everything " > > z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 it's easier to understand with more of the picture... if you went there for education ... it's probably best to make a big fuss about a teacher who obviously cannot educate... to educate is to help you how to think... not to tell you what to think... it's a prison in a metaphorical way... because for some people they cannot see beyond the walls... , " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote: > Concerning the incident with my physics teacher, I wasn't using the > fact that I'm vegan to hide the fact that I was drugged. It was he > who saw me as ill and who assumed it was because i'm vegan. He asked ><snip> > i should go and get a burger and eat some 'proper food'. Cause I was <snip> > ><snip> > college and to my fellow students am the only one they know. Yet I > have drug behavioural, and attitude problems so to many small minded > judgemantal people there veganism must look like a crazy way to go. > > College is different to a prison because I choose to go there and I > can leave when I want. Yet I spend a lot of time there (for > education, not to attract girls) so inevitably mix a lot more with > the average omnivore than I'd like to. > > J > > > , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote: > > > > then he justifies this 'looking ill' to anyone he feels in > > > authority by > > > > blaming it on his own diet... > > > > > > What a load of crap. > > > > fair enough... i don't know you... i just read what you write... > > " To be fair to my physics teacher, I think he was genuinely > worried > > about me. I'd turned up to the first physics lesson completrely > > drugged out of my head, and had to hide it because its illegal, he > > thought it was because of my food, and this was a severe blow to > me > > because the whole class was listening and I was giving veganism a > bad > > name. " > > > > to be fair to the physics teacher... he was duped... > > > > to be fair on you... you were scared... > > > > > Its difficult being the only vegan in my college, sorry I can't > be > > > perfect as well. > > > > is this a small college? > > > > yes.. it's hard being the only vegan within a prison... but the > prison is > > not the world... and there are more vegans outside of your college > than > > there are students in your college... > > > > if it makes you feel any better - i think being imperfect is > perfect.. > > > > " if you are sensitive to evreything then you will suffer more than > someone > > who is insensitive to everything " > > > > z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 I get the impression that you enjoy being weird When someone is bothering to enquire as to why you are ill (it’s a safer assumption to assume you are not eating adequately than to suggest that you are doing drugs.) why not give a polite answer? !! When he suggested you were on drugs why didn’t you just say no if you didn’t want to admit it . Your response (chair ) was rather rude and If I was your teacher I wouldn’t bother to offer advice again IMO you were rude and your teacher isn’t paid to put up with rudeness! . he only has to teach physics. He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a manner------- unless you are one a demo or having a blazing row with someone who is defending cruelty I hope he doesn’t assume all vegans like you ! Please consider the feelings of others and if necessary apologise . You never know when you may need his help !!!!! Angie ----Original Message----- djules_75 [djules_75] 22 April 2002 23:19 Re: my physics teacher Concerning the incident with my physics teacher, I wasn't using the fact that I'm vegan to hide the fact that I was drugged. It was he who saw me as ill and who assumed it was because i'm vegan. He asked if I was on a macrobiotic diet, I said no and explained that veganism doesn't make one go wierd, my wierd behaviour was because of other things. He asked what I was 'on', I said I was 'on' a chair (as in sitting on), which was the unadulterated truth, especially in Physics where gravity etc are common topics of conversation. He said i should go and get a burger and eat some 'proper food'. Cause I was stoned I couldn't be arsed for another ethics debate and left it at that. J , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote: > > > then he justifies this 'looking ill' to anyone he feels in > > authority by > > > blaming it on his own diet... > > > > What a load of crap. > > fair enough... i don't know you... i just read what you write... > " To be fair to my physics teacher, I think he was genuinely worried > about me. I'd turned up to the first physics lesson completrely > drugged out of my head, and had to hide it because its illegal, he > thought it was because of my food, and this was a severe blow to me > because the whole class was listening and I was giving veganism a bad > name. " > > to be fair to the physics teacher... he was duped... > > to be fair on you... you were scared... > > > Its difficult being the only vegan in my college, sorry I can't be > > perfect as well. > > is this a small college? > > yes.. it's hard being the only vegan within a prison... but the prison is > not the world... and there are more vegans outside of your college than > there are students in your college... > > if it makes you feel any better - i think being imperfect is perfect.. > > " if you are sensitive to evreything then you will suffer more than someone > who is insensitive to everything " > > z ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 I spoke to him today, apparantly he used to do drugs sometrimes as a teen, he told me of all the people who were at his uni in the sixties who got messed up on drugs. And we both agreed I was in the wrong. I'm not going to college when not in my right mind again. I don't think it was being rude (saying I'm on a chair), why was that rude? I couldn't exactly say, sorry, I'm am not at present capable of coherent speech because I am on illegal drugs, there were other people in the class as well, and the penalty for possession is expulsion from college, possibly a prison sentence. I just wanted to be left alone at the time, I wasn't in control of my own actions, I felt stupid anyway. I was polite when he asked if I was ill, but when he asked what I was on, I had to hide it, if only because of the laws of the country. Anyway I've recked many of my brain cells, I'm not going to be smoking pot again in a while. Jules , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote: > I get the impression that you enjoy being weird > > When someone is bothering to enquire as to why you are ill (it's a > safer assumption to assume you are not eating adequately than to suggest > that you are doing drugs.) why not give a polite answer? !! > > When he suggested you were on drugs why didn't you just say no if you > didn't want to admit it . Your response (chair ) was rather rude and If > I was your teacher I wouldn't bother to offer advice again IMO you > were rude and your teacher isn't paid to put up with rudeness! . he > only has to teach physics. > > He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a > manner------- unless you are one a demo or having a blazing row with > someone who is defending cruelty > > > > I hope he doesn't assume all vegans like you ! Please consider the > feelings of others and if necessary apologise . You never know when you > may need his help !!!!! Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel that expulsion would be unfair for a first offence, because someone with a drug problem should first be offered help before they should be punished, especially if they have a parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad example and started the young person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a proper example (dealing is another matter and should be dealt with with the full weight of the law). I would think being expelled would be likely to make the young person more likely to continue to do drugs! Seems to me that the importance of a good parental role model cannot be overstated. Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke than the kids of non-smokers, so it's probably the same with cannabis and illegal drugs. Kids are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in the long run, even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer pressure, the parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it takes a lot of strength to overcome it. I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but occasionally catch myself saying something and thinking my mum used to say that! You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, please don't just say " not for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it! Stay drug-free and you will show a better example of how a vegan can be! Lesley djules_75 [djules_75] 23 April 2002 21:39 Re: my physics teacher I spoke to him today, apparantly he used to do drugs sometrimes as a teen, he told me of all the people who were at his uni in the sixties who got messed up on drugs. And we both agreed I was in the wrong. I'm not going to college when not in my right mind again. I don't think it was being rude (saying I'm on a chair), why was that rude? I couldn't exactly say, sorry, I'm am not at present capable of coherent speech because I am on illegal drugs, there were other people in the class as well, and the penalty for possession is expulsion from college, possibly a prison sentence. I just wanted to be left alone at the time, I wasn't in control of my own actions, I felt stupid anyway. I was polite when he asked if I was ill, but when he asked what I was on, I had to hide it, if only because of the laws of the country. Anyway I've recked many of my brain cells, I'm not going to be smoking pot again in a while. Jules , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote: > I get the impression that you enjoy being weird > > When someone is bothering to enquire as to why you are ill (it's a > safer assumption to assume you are not eating adequately than to suggest > that you are doing drugs.) why not give a polite answer? !! > > When he suggested you were on drugs why didn't you just say no if you > didn't want to admit it . Your response (chair ) was rather rude and If > I was your teacher I wouldn't bother to offer advice again IMO you > were rude and your teacher isn't paid to put up with rudeness! . he > only has to teach physics. > > He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a > manner------- unless you are one a demo or having a blazing row with > someone who is defending cruelty > > > > I hope he doesn't assume all vegans like you ! Please consider the > feelings of others and if necessary apologise . You never know when you > may need his help !!!!! Angie ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is tobacco, and thats legal! , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel that expulsion would be > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a drug problem should first > be offered help before they should be punished, especially if they have a > parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad example and started the young > person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a proper example (dealing is > another matter and should be dealt with with the full weight of the law). I > would think being expelled would be likely to make the young person more > likely to continue to do drugs! > > Seems to me that the importance of a good parental role model cannot be > overstated. > Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke than the kids of > non-smokers, so it's probably the same with cannabis and illegal drugs. Kids > are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in the long run, > even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer pressure, the > parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it takes a lot of > strength to overcome it. > I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but occasionally catch myself saying > something and thinking my mum used to say that! > You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, please don't just say " not > for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it! > Stay drug-free and you will show a better example of how a vegan can be! > > Lesley > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Apparently is is one of the most addictive drugs there is, for those who like it. More so than a lot of the illegal drugs, so it does not make sense to me that it is legal since it is supposed to be addictive for a lot of people, and you seem to be one of those unfortunate people. Fortunately I always really hated the smell of smoke anyway as well as second hand smoke causing me catarrh and severe breathing trouble, but that is just my body's natural defences, reacting to something that is bad! I was always violently sick from the smallest whiff of second hand smoke when I was pregnant, but to me that seems completely natural for my body to do this, nature's way of making me keep away from something that would harm the baby as well as myself. Lesley djules_75 [djules_75] 23 April 2002 22:37 Re: my physics teacher Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is tobacco, and thats legal! , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel that expulsion would be > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a drug problem should first > be offered help before they should be punished, especially if they have a > parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad example and started the young > person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a proper example (dealing is > another matter and should be dealt with with the full weight of the law). I > would think being expelled would be likely to make the young person more > likely to continue to do drugs! > > Seems to me that the importance of a good parental role model cannot be > overstated. > Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke than the kids of > non-smokers, so it's probably the same with cannabis and illegal drugs. Kids > are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in the long run, > even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer pressure, the > parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it takes a lot of > strength to overcome it. > I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but occasionally catch myself saying > something and thinking my mum used to say that! > You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, please don't just say " not > for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it! > Stay drug-free and you will show a better example of how a vegan can be! > > Lesley > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 > He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a manner <gasp> I never thought I'd see the day where Angie defends a meat eater. My whole world has been destroyed. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 >I get the impression that you enjoy being weird I must admit I enjoy being weird, at least for the sake of it. I don't really know what to make of Jules though, to some extent I recognize a certain type of person in him from experience of mood/personality disorder communities. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Nicotine is indeed one of the most dangerously addictive drugs in production. I have been trying to quit for ages, yielding no results. It just seems to calm my wracked nerves when nothing else does. Also, I just split up with my girlfriend and I'm chainsmoking way too much. Plus, rather sadly, it fits in with my beatnik image. Duh. --- Lesley Dove <Lesley wrote: > > Apparently is is one of the most addictive drugs > there is, for those who > like it. More so than a lot of the illegal drugs, so > it does not make sense > to me that it is legal since it is supposed to be > addictive for a lot of > people, and you seem to be one of those unfortunate > people. > Fortunately I always really hated the smell of smoke > anyway as well as > second hand smoke causing me catarrh and severe > breathing trouble, but that > is just my body's natural defences, reacting to > something that is bad! I was > always violently sick from the smallest whiff of > second hand smoke when I > was pregnant, but to me that seems completely > natural for my body to do > this, nature's way of making me keep away from > something that would harm the > baby as well as myself. > > Lesley > > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > 23 April 2002 22:37 > > Re: my physics teacher > > > Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is > tobacco, and > thats legal! > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> > wrote: > > > > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel > that expulsion would > be > > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a > drug problem > should first > > be offered help before they should be punished, > especially if they > have a > > parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad > example and started > the young > > person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a > proper example > (dealing is > > another matter and should be dealt with with the > full weight of the > law). I > > would think being expelled would be likely to make > the young person > more > > likely to continue to do drugs! > > > > Seems to me that the importance of a good parental > role model > cannot be > > overstated. > > Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke > than the kids of > > non-smokers, so it's probably the same with > cannabis and illegal > drugs. Kids > > are more influenced by their parents than by their > peers in the > long run, > > even if they go through phases of being influenced > by peer > pressure, the > > parental influence is generally very strong indeed > and it takes a > lot of > > strength to overcome it. > > I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but > occasionally catch myself > saying > > something and thinking my mum used to say that! > > You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, > please don't just > say " not > > for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it! > > Stay drug-free and you will show a better example > of how a vegan > can be! > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > ~~ info > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion > of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not > heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it > snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Well even animal eaters have to be treated nicely to get them to listen to us . If they reject what we say or laugh at us over veganism then it can be no holds barred !!!!! But I think the teacher was actually trying to help which is outside his job specifications ,so needs to be appreciated for that .!!!!!. I know what its like teaching awkward pupils,who always want to learn something else,and argue about it which wastes everyones time !!!!! -----Original Message----- Mavreela [nec.lists] 23 April 2002 23:10 RE: Re: my physics teacher > He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a manner <gasp> I never thought I'd see the day where Angie defends a meat eater. My whole world has been destroyed. Michael ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Are you a teacher? j , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote: > Well even animal eaters have to be treated nicely to get them to listen > to us . If they reject what we say or laugh at us over veganism then it > can be no holds barred !!!!! > > But I think the teacher was actually trying to help which is outside his > job specifications ,so needs to be appreciated for that .!!!!!. > > > > I know what its like teaching awkward pupils,who always want to learn > something else,and argue about it which wastes everyones time !!!!! > > > > Angie > > > > > Mavreela [nec.lists@m...] > 23 April 2002 23:10 > > RE: Re: my physics teacher > > > > > > He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a > manner > > <gasp> I never thought I'd see the day where Angie defends a meat > eater. My whole world has been destroyed. > > Michael > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 I should think that eating animals and not caring how they suffered and died should really come under the definition of psychopath. So if anyone has a personality disorder it is the animal-eaters, not Jules, although our sick and twisted society refuses to see it that way. I'm not saying a vegan cannot have a personality disorder, but compared to meat-eaters it is negligible, at least we have a conscience and understand right from wrong better than they do. We have to live in a world with most people being effectively little different from psychopaths in their attitudes, so no wonder some vegans end up having personality disorders! I've never gone out of my way to look weird, but if you do and are not harming anyone, I don't see why anyone has a big problem with it. I can't personally stand tattoos and piercings, and never had any desire to be a goth or punk, etc, but each to their own. Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists] 23 April 2002 23:16 RE: Re: my physics teacher >I get the impression that you enjoy being weird I must admit I enjoy being weird, at least for the sake of it. I don't really know what to make of Jules though, to some extent I recognize a certain type of person in him from experience of mood/personality disorder communities. Michael ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Most cigarettes are not vegan anyway. The first awakenings of my awareness of animal abuse was the ICI smoking beagles campaign when I was still in junior school, so for me it seems very hypocritical for anti-vivisectionists and ethical vegans to smoke. I was aware of the link between smoking and animal abuse from an early age, even before I stopped eating meat, so I was pretty much always against smoking for ethical as well as health reasons. I guess most of the vegans who smoke started before they got their ethical values though. I don't even know what could be pleasant about breathing in dirty smoke and all the muck that is in it, it simply isn't pleasant, just dirty and smelly, makes me sick, we humans definitely don't all have the same physiology with regard to our reactions to tobacco smoke, so how ICI thought they could learn anything about people from forcing beagles to smoke I will never understand. I would just like the smokers to keep it to themselves, my life is limited so much by having to avoid certain places because of it. Even though Harrow bus station has no smoking signs up, lots of people still smoke in there because there is no by-law banning it so they cannot be prosecuted. The officials won't even go up and tell the smokers to go outside, so those who object to it have to go outside and that is not fair when it is cold. I was really ill and hospitalised overnight once because I got some severe breathing problems after exposure to someone's smoke, this was when I was pregnant and was very sensitive. What I ask of smokers is that they need to respect the right to clean air for the rest of us. There is a vegan hypnotherapist in London Vegans who specialises in helping people to quit smoking, maybe you could find a hypnotherapist closer to you (probably wouldn't be a vegan though). Sorry to hear about your girlfriend, but I have to break it to you that you won't be likely to attract a nice new girlfriend while stinking like an old ashtray. I hope you aren't one of those rude smokers who does not care who you inflict it upon. Auntie Lesley - telling it like it is Mark Salisbury [yow52] 23 April 2002 23:23 RE: Re: my physics teacher Nicotine is indeed one of the most dangerously addictive drugs in production. I have been trying to quit for ages, yielding no results. It just seems to calm my wracked nerves when nothing else does. Also, I just split up with my girlfriend and I'm chainsmoking way too much. Plus, rather sadly, it fits in with my beatnik image. Duh. --- Lesley Dove <Lesley wrote: > > Apparently is is one of the most addictive drugs > there is, for those who > like it. More so than a lot of the illegal drugs, so > it does not make sense > to me that it is legal since it is supposed to be > addictive for a lot of > people, and you seem to be one of those unfortunate > people. > Fortunately I always really hated the smell of smoke > anyway as well as > second hand smoke causing me catarrh and severe > breathing trouble, but that > is just my body's natural defences, reacting to > something that is bad! I was > always violently sick from the smallest whiff of > second hand smoke when I > was pregnant, but to me that seems completely > natural for my body to do > this, nature's way of making me keep away from > something that would harm the > baby as well as myself. > > Lesley > > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > 23 April 2002 22:37 > > Re: my physics teacher > > > Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is > tobacco, and > thats legal! > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> > wrote: > > > > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel > that expulsion would > be > > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a > drug problem > should first > > be offered help before they should be punished, > especially if they > have a > > parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad > example and started > the young > > person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a > proper example > (dealing is > > another matter and should be dealt with with the > full weight of the > law). I > > would think being expelled would be likely to make > the young person > more > > likely to continue to do drugs! > > > > Seems to me that the importance of a good parental > role model > cannot be > > overstated. > > Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke > than the kids of > > non-smokers, so it's probably the same with > cannabis and illegal > drugs. Kids > > are more influenced by their parents than by their > peers in the > long run, > > even if they go through phases of being influenced > by peer > pressure, the > > parental influence is generally very strong indeed > and it takes a > lot of > > strength to overcome it. > > I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but > occasionally catch myself > saying > > something and thinking my mum used to say that! > > You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, > please don't just > say " not > > for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it! > > Stay drug-free and you will show a better example > of how a vegan > can be! > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > ~~ info > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion > of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not > heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? 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Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 >I should think that eating animals and not caring how they suffered and died >should really come under the definition of psychopath. Goodness me, you have such a low opinion of people with mental illnesses? I take great offense that you consider me a psychopath because I also happen to be classed within certain types of mental illness. >So if anyone has a personality disorder it is the animal-eaters, not Jules, >although our sick and twisted society refuses to see it that way. Do you even know what a personality disorder is? >We have to live in a world with most people being effectively little >different from psychopaths in their attitudes, so no wonder some vegans end >up having personality disorders! I will take that as being a definitive no to my question. Michael the psychopath, apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 No, no, no, no no, I was certainly not equating you to a psychopath, nothing could be further from the truth, please Michael don't misunderstand me. I was saying that most animal-eaters must be psychopaths, so whatever mental illness you or Jules have at least it does not make you bad people or anywhere near as disordered or wrong as animal eaters. OK, what do you mean by a personality disorder? Maybe I am misunderstanding something. I'm quite happy to be helped to understand this better. I certainly do not think all mentally ill people are psychopaths or dangerous. I am so sorry I upset you. I thought you knew I had a very high opinion of you, you come across as one of the most fair-minded people I've known actually, and I have always found you a fair moderator. Good job MrBig/Talking isn't still on this group or he would be making some unpleasant comment about children's confectionery as endorsed by Kojak at this point! Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists] 24 April 2002 11:57 RE: Re: my physics teacher >I should think that eating animals and not caring how they suffered and died >should really come under the definition of psychopath. Goodness me, you have such a low opinion of people with mental illnesses? I take great offense that you consider me a psychopath because I also happen to be classed within certain types of mental illness. >So if anyone has a personality disorder it is the animal-eaters, not Jules, >although our sick and twisted society refuses to see it that way. Do you even know what a personality disorder is? >We have to live in a world with most people being effectively little >different from psychopaths in their attitudes, so no wonder some vegans end >up having personality disorders! I will take that as being a definitive no to my question. Michael the psychopath, apparently ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Sorry, i said that i wasn't going be giving my opinions anymore, but this one's something that really pisses me off. Scientists define people as being mentally ill when often they are just victims of society, they are driven to madness because they don't fit in, no one listens to them, they are independant characters. A bloke i know used to smoke pot and smoke cigarettes, and he moved to brighton and decided to give them up. He changed his lifestyle completely (even went vegan, except for fish, a " fish 'n chipocrite " , I called him, as a joke). He then went and did things that he wanted to do, like walk around barefoot, swim in the sea, do crazy things, but all because he wanted to get back to his anthropoid roots, why not? He ended up getting arrested for walking barefoot because the cops thought he was a tramp and was loitering. Then somehow he got put in a mental hospital and they gave him some really strong scientific drug which was supposed to cure him of his 'madness'. He's gone back to live with his mother and he's a vegetable, he doesn't care about anything, he's back on the cigarettes, he used to do art and he doesn't want to paint anymore. I go round to his house and he just sits and says nothing, listening to the same Tracy Chapman record over and over again. His mum's dead worried, I've round to his house to try and help, his 'madness' is infectious and poor old veganUK gets the shit. I say this bloke I'm talking about is a victim of society, but he's classed as mentally ill by dictionaries scientists and control assholes who think there is a particular way that people should live. If things were different, there would still be hunter gatherer societies about, (I wouldn't have a problem with them hunting and killing animals for food, its better than herding Yuppies into Mcdonalds), and he wouldn't be drugged out of his head by some money grabbing scientist. And instead of hunter gatherer societies we have the Lords and Ladies from Snobland breeding dogs to go hunt foxes in private land that they own because of their 'birthright' and it gets mentioned in Parliament, and becomes relevant to animals rights. So this isn't OT. Yeah I'm frustrated. Yeah what I write is frustrating. Fuckit. Jules , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > No, no, no, no no, I was certainly not equating you to a psychopath, nothing > could be further from the truth, please Michael don't misunderstand me. I > was saying that most animal-eaters must be psychopaths, so whatever mental > illness you or Jules have at least it does not make you bad people or > anywhere near as disordered or wrong as animal eaters. > OK, what do you mean by a personality disorder? Maybe I am misunderstanding > something. I'm quite happy to be helped to understand this better. I > certainly do not think all mentally ill people are psychopaths or dangerous. > I am so sorry I upset you. I thought you knew I had a very high opinion of > you, you come across as one of the most fair-minded people I've known > actually, and I have always found you a fair moderator. > Good job MrBig/Talking isn't still on this group or he would be making some > unpleasant comment about children's confectionery as endorsed by Kojak at > this point! > > Lesley > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 i gave up taking mind altering substances a year or so ago ... more than just pot... was bloody easy to give it all up ... but smoking... yeah right... it's worse than all the others in its own way .... i agree... never say never... i'm not against drugs... i'm not against myself having any drugs forever more... i just don't want them.... i love SOBRIETY... there's no drug like it... > > djules_75 [djules_75] > > Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is tobacco, and > thats legal! > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel that expulsion would > be > > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a drug problem > should first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 well first you need to know the difference between someone who takes drugs .... and someone who has a drug problem... if someone offers me a smoke and we sit around for an evening ... and it's the only time i've done it in 12 months... is that a problem?... my parents never touched a drug in their life ... my mother said she never needed it... > > Lesley Dove [Lesley] > > illegal drugs. Kids > are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in > the long run, > even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer > pressure, the > parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it > takes a lot of > strength to overcome it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 are there really whole communities of mood/personality disorders... crikey... is it called London? i think Jules is just a little rash with his words... he wants to say something but hasn't thought about what he is saying... when he finally explains himself it comes across ok... > > Mavreela [nec.lists] > Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:16 PM > > RE: Re: my physics teacher > > > > >I get the impression that you enjoy being weird > > I must admit I enjoy being weird, at least for the sake of it. > > I don't really know what to make of Jules though, to some extent I > recognize a certain type of person in him from experience of > mood/personality disorder communities. > > Michael > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Most people who smoke tobacco certainly are addicts and do have a problem, and it will kill about half of them, not sure about cannabis users, how many are addicted, but Jules seems to have a problem. It seems to be causing him some difficulty functioning from what he has said. Your example of cannabis once a year I suppose would not be a problem, but it's probably a pretty rare situation. Not everyone is that much in control. Lesley Oliver Slay [oliver] 24 April 2002 14:20 ' ' RE: Re: my physics teacher well first you need to know the difference between someone who takes drugs .... and someone who has a drug problem... if someone offers me a smoke and we sit around for an evening ... and it's the only time i've done it in 12 months... is that a problem?... my parents never touched a drug in their life ... my mother said she never needed it... > > Lesley Dove [Lesley] > > illegal drugs. Kids > are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in > the long run, > even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer > pressure, the > parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it > takes a lot of > strength to overcome it. ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 why do they have to be vegan? ... does my dentist have to be vegan? ... and my postman?... the shop keepers? ... and so on? i went to one and stopped smoking easily for a couple of months ... first time i tried it... but then i started to feel all the stress that my smoking was giving me a break from ... and it became too much ... so i started smoking again... the hypnotherapist had not understood the underlying reasons for my smoking ... so it was never going to work for long... i am now more aware of the stress i have... i have never berated myself for smoking... there's no point... but i can now go back to a hypnotherapist armed with more self-knowledge than i had the previous time... and maybe this time it will last a little longer... and if i am smoking again in a 6 months time ... i will go again ... it will take a long time... because tobacco can be a very hard drug to give up when you are really stressed... but it can be done... it costs about £100 or so for hypnotherapy ... there's a good one in Cambridge... it takes an hour or so ... and it's effective in the short term... it's not expensive considering you might save that amount over a three month period of non-smoking... > There is a vegan hypnotherapist in London Vegans who > specialises in helping > people to quit smoking, maybe you could find a hypnotherapist > closer to you > (probably wouldn't be a vegan though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 damn i'm fucked up ... shy obsessive in an unstable relationship... > > Mavreela [nec.lists] > > Mood disorders are those which involve episodes of depression > or mania, > these are well known, but these are often accompanied by personality > disorders which as the name suggests affects the way a person > interacts. An example would be extreme shyness (avoidant personality > disorder), obsessive/compulsive behaviours, having instable > relationships > with others (borderline personality disorder). They are > psychologically > distinct from schizophrenic and psychotic disorders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 if i had one joint every weekend it wouldn't be a problem... if i had one joint every other night it wouldn't be a problem... if i smoked several joints and needed them... and my work suffered... and i could not remember my name... then i have a problem ... but true i wouldn't let it get that way ... i prefer sobriety... > > Lesley Dove [Lesley] > > Most people who smoke tobacco certainly are addicts and do > have a problem, > and it will kill about half of them, not sure about cannabis > users, how many > are addicted, but Jules seems to have a problem. It seems to > be causing him > some difficulty functioning from what he has said. Your > example of cannabis > once a year I suppose would not be a problem, but it's > probably a pretty > rare situation. Not everyone is that much in control. > > Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote: > are there really whole communities of mood/personality disorders... > crikey... is it called London? LOL yeah why not the entire human race throughout the entire human history? Its always been about one group of people thinking the others are insane. Its only the ones who strove for power who are the 'respected' ones, thats why the world is such a sh*thole now. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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