Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Well I'd agree he is a crap teacher. I'm constantly going on about how how we should be able to ask questions concerning all areas of physics, regardless of the syllabus. His bottom line is that he is paid to teach the course, and to get us to pass the exams at the end of it, so for instance if I'm interested in learning about cosmology now, too bad, I have to wait till next year, when it is covered by the course, or read up on my own. Some teacher! Education and academia could be so much more productive if it didn't have all the red tape etc. There's nothing I can do though but write to the education minister and get ignored. , " zorgster " <oliver@l...> wrote: > it's easier to understand with more of the picture... > > if you went there for education ... it's probably best to make a big > fuss about a teacher who obviously cannot educate... to educate is > to help you how to think... not to tell you what to think... > > it's a prison in a metaphorical way... because for some people they > cannot see beyond the walls... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 we can't blame him for it... he has a syllabus to follow set out by the powers that be... so the problem doesn't really lie with him.. it lies in the larger picture still... the whole education system... (run by people who think it's best to tell people what to think and not teach people how to think...) maybe if you asked him how he'd do it if he wasn't overruled by the national curriculum.. you might get a good honest answer... (laced with prejudices and convictions based on his own education...) if you know you are interested in other areas of science then there is plenty of reference sites available on the web... for a good read i recommend David Bohm - his non-physics books... (his textbook on Quantum Physics is too tough going...)... if the education system can't help you ... then help yourself... the education minister just wants a partnership with the teachers... it's not her vocation to teach anyone anything... she's about as far from understanding real teaching ... as meat-eaters are from understanding real suffering... , " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote: > Well I'd agree he is a crap teacher. I'm constantly going on about > how how we should be able to ask questions concerning all areas of > physics, regardless of the syllabus. His bottom line is that he is > paid to teach the course, and to get us to pass the exams at the end > of it, so for instance if I'm interested in learning about cosmology > now, too bad, I have to wait till next year, when it is covered by > the course, or read up on my own. Some teacher! > Education and academia could be so much more productive if it didn't > have all the red tape etc. There's nothing I can do though but write > to the education minister and get ignored. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Its all about you isn’t it Jules Stop blaming others and look at your own short comings . The teacher has to get decent results or those higher up will be questioning His ability to teach . It is no good his saying “ Well they know loads on cosmology !” What about the other students maybe they are happy to do things in the order that has been decided . You could end up doing one topic twice and missing something out. If you got through the work quickly( which you won’t if there are a number of awkward students ) then maybe there would be time at the end of term for cosmology It might not be a subject he is too familiar with .Perhaps another teacher is going to teach that part . If you are that keen why not read it on your own or do you expect the class to do what YOU want ,or the teacher to teach you in his own spare time ? Is this the same teacher you were rude to (about being on the chair !!!!! ). I don’t blame the teacher He probably desn’t like you much and I can understand why . Stop wasting his and the other students time and get on with the stuff being taught currently ----Original Message----- djules_75 [djules_75] 23 April 2002 00:23 Re: my physics teacher OT Well I'd agree he is a crap teacher. I'm constantly going on about how how we should be able to ask questions concerning all areas of physics, regardless of the syllabus. His bottom line is that he is paid to teach the course, and to get us to pass the exams at the end of it, so for instance if I'm interested in learning about cosmology now, too bad, I have to wait till next year, when it is covered by the course, or read up on my own. Some teacher! Education and academia could be so much more productive if it didn't have all the red tape etc. There's nothing I can do though but write to the education minister and get ignored. , " zorgster " <oliver@l...> wrote: > it's easier to understand with more of the picture... > > if you went there for education ... it's probably best to make a big > fuss about a teacher who obviously cannot educate... to educate is > to help you how to think... not to tell you what to think... > > it's a prison in a metaphorical way... because for some people they > cannot see beyond the walls... > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote: > I get the impression that you enjoy being weird I don't enjoy being wierd. I'm not wierd. People have always dismissed me or questioned me for being different, and I've spent a lot of time alone thinking about everything, and sometimes I can't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Yeah thats the real lesson I need to learn, you're spot on. (no-one tells me what you have, they probably just keep it inside and think bad thoughts of me, I'm not very aware of what others think of me) I still think teaching where one person reads out stuff from a book to a group of people who are bored out of their skulls with glazed expressions, where asking questions is disapproved of, for the sole purpose of getting a piece of paper to lead on to 'higher' things, with competitive grade marks, is not the right way to go about it. But that is the way it is, and therefore its always going to look like its only about me. Ironically, my physics teacher is the only teacher I have who is more open about his subject, all of the others are straight- forward 'lecturers'. Its only because he was totally honest about the fact that all he is interested in is us getting the grades that I mentioned him. He's actually the teacher i like the most. People aren't encouraged to be interested in the subject, they are only encouraged to do the work thats set for them. Then when, for example, the pupils grow up to become scientists, they compete with each other and are not willing to accept each other's theories, rather they dismiss each other. There's nothing constructive about the way the current system works, its cold and robotic, hence people only do work for a reason, or a goal, like getting a grade for recognition, or for money. What a load of bullshit! If I get an idea about physics, that may aid human understanding of the universe, I can't mention it to anybody because there is the fear that they will steal my idea (because the system is competitive, not constructive), or that I will be ignored because I haven't yet got my 'degree' or PHD or whatever. So I've got to waste away ten years of my life in order to climb a competitive ladder and only then am I allowed access to laboratories with equipment, only then would I be allowed to discuss my theories with other people who are genuinely interested in the subject. Instead I've been saying to myself, fuck it, and destroying my brain. Yeah I know its wrong, hence I've stopped it. But when I'm sober I lose my patience. I don't want recognition, money, or a piece of paper signed by an education board, but everyone else is convinced this is the way to go. I just want to learn about and make a contribution to science, and I think everyone who wants to should be allowed to. As another example, I think everyone has the potential to understand rocket science, but only some people are interested in it: rocket scientists are neither 'better' nor 'more intelligent' than bricklayers, they have just dedicated different parts of themselves to their work. A rocket scientist wouldn't necessarily know how to make a decent mix for concrete, and a bricklayer wouldn't necessarily know about Einstein's theory of relativity. So instead of having to go through a laborious process of systemised education, the whole thing should ease up, and everyone should be vegan, considerate, understanding, and self-less, and the way things and people are, its fucking difficult to be all of those things oneself. Whether the problem is me or the system which my physics teacher abides by is just a matter of opinion (but I still get on with him because he is open-minded). (SCREAM) Jules , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote: > Its all about you isn't it Jules Stop blaming others and look at your > own short comings . The teacher has to get decent results or those > higher up will be questioning > > His ability to teach . It is no good his saying " Well they know loads > on cosmology ! " > > > > What about the other students maybe they are happy to do things in the > order that has been decided . You could end up doing one topic twice and > missing something out. If you got through the work quickly( which you > won't if there are a number of awkward students ) then maybe there would > be time at the end of term for cosmology > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 >As another example, I think everyone has the potential to understand >rocket science Well sure, it's not brain surgery! 8-) Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 >Yeah thats the real lesson I need to learn, you're spot on. (no-one >tells me what you have, they probably just keep it inside and think >bad thoughts of me, I'm not very aware of what others think of me) Both Graham and Oliver tell you what they think. In all honesty I personally pay little attention as I have nothing to say and find the constant back and forwarding of it all rather boring. That said your attitude towards Graham probably makes people feel you'll just have a go at them if you don't like what they say. I did write a reply to your email, but have worked through yours I decided to delete it. You make some valid arguments, and some stupid ones. You argue about things you know nothing about. I got fed up. You'll only reply back once again making it seem that the 'system' is repressing you. Only this evening my parents called and I was bemoaning to my mam the complete inadequacies in the education system. In the end though what you take out of it is what you put in, and how you use it. Schools' bad, granted, you just have to make do, but after that college and university are different. You have to play along, though you might not like it, but you can also take advantage of all the opportunity it offers you to further your own interests. Didn't Einstein have no qualifications? It may be rare for someone without the background in an area to get anywhere, but it happens. Probably more frequently than you realize. You spoke of people needing a PhD, do you know what one of those is? You don't get one for standardized learning, but for having your own interests and working within them. You are criticizing something while at the same time arguing that it is what you want. You may be frustrated, but you are so frustrating that you must be the cause of a lot of it. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Try to meet more vegans and do things instead of thinking too much on your own Angie -----Original Message----- djules_75 [djules_75] 23 April 2002 21:45 Re: my physics teacher ot I don't enjoy being wierd. I'm not wierd. People have always dismissed me or questioned me for being different, and I've spent a lot of time alone thinking about everything, and sometimes I can't take it. ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Ok I won't reply again with more opinions. I'll try to stop being a dickhead, I'll try to stop smoking. Again. , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > Didn't Einstein have no qualifications? Didn't he? He was a one off then It may be rare for someone without > the background in an area to get anywhere, but it happens. Probably more > frequently than you realize. You spoke of people needing a PhD, do you > know what one of those is? Yes, my sister's doing one. You don't get one for standardized learning, > but for having your own interests and working within them. You are > criticizing something while at the same time arguing that it is what you want. > > You may be frustrated, but you are so frustrating that you must be the > cause of a lot of it. > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 How is Jules frustrating? I don't find him especially so, and I'm not afraid to tell people what I think as you know. I played along in nurse training, kept my head down quite a bit, didn't say anything much to the tutor who was going on all the time about animal experiments showing this and that, he was obviously very in favour of them, but I didn't take the bait or cause a row as I knew that was what he wanted! I just did the best I could, worked hard, never pretended to be off sick to go on AR protests, however tempting it was, I behaved myself, but I still got forced out for my beliefs in the end. Sometimes it is very hard for vegans in certain professions or courses of study to get on in life. I understand this even if you cannot understand since your veganism has probably not affected you in your job/career/study. Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists] 24 April 2002 01:05 Re: Re: my physics teacher OT >Yeah thats the real lesson I need to learn, you're spot on. (no-one >tells me what you have, they probably just keep it inside and think >bad thoughts of me, I'm not very aware of what others think of me) Both Graham and Oliver tell you what they think. In all honesty I personally pay little attention as I have nothing to say and find the constant back and forwarding of it all rather boring. That said your attitude towards Graham probably makes people feel you'll just have a go at them if you don't like what they say. I did write a reply to your email, but have worked through yours I decided to delete it. You make some valid arguments, and some stupid ones. You argue about things you know nothing about. I got fed up. You'll only reply back once again making it seem that the 'system' is repressing you. Only this evening my parents called and I was bemoaning to my mam the complete inadequacies in the education system. In the end though what you take out of it is what you put in, and how you use it. Schools' bad, granted, you just have to make do, but after that college and university are different. You have to play along, though you might not like it, but you can also take advantage of all the opportunity it offers you to further your own interests. Didn't Einstein have no qualifications? It may be rare for someone without the background in an area to get anywhere, but it happens. Probably more frequently than you realize. You spoke of people needing a PhD, do you know what one of those is? You don't get one for standardized learning, but for having your own interests and working within them. You are criticizing something while at the same time arguing that it is what you want. You may be frustrated, but you are so frustrating that you must be the cause of a lot of it. Michael ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 >Ok I won't reply again with more opinions. I'll try to stop being a >dickhead, I'll try to stop smoking. Again. And that's the exact kind of comment that is tiresome. Why not try replying without putting either everyone else or yourself down. > > Didn't Einstein have no qualifications? >Didn't he? He was a one off then My mistake, he did have qualifications. But he then worked for the patent office and did his research into physics on his own until being recognized and offered an academic position. > >You spoke of people needing a PhD, do you > > know what one of those is? >Yes, my sister's doing one. Then you'll be aware that it has nothing to do with standardized education but simply working on your own interests. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 What do people do to get a PhD then? I don't know anything about it, not that it would be the kind of thing I would expect to be capable of. I know what I would like to do with my life, if childcare permitted, but it's just probably a pipe-dream without the pipe. Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists] 24 April 2002 13:56 Re: Re: my physics teacher OT >Ok I won't reply again with more opinions. I'll try to stop being a >dickhead, I'll try to stop smoking. Again. And that's the exact kind of comment that is tiresome. Why not try replying without putting either everyone else or yourself down. > > Didn't Einstein have no qualifications? >Didn't he? He was a one off then My mistake, he did have qualifications. But he then worked for the patent office and did his research into physics on his own until being recognized and offered an academic position. > >You spoke of people needing a PhD, do you > > know what one of those is? >Yes, my sister's doing one. Then you'll be aware that it has nothing to do with standardized education but simply working on your own interests. Michael ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 > djules_75 [djules_75] > recognition, or for money. What a load of bullshit! If I get an idea > about physics, that may aid human understanding of the universe, I > can't mention it to anybody because there is the fear that they will > steal my idea (because the system is competitive, not constructive), > or that I will be ignored because I haven't yet got my 'degree' or > PHD or whatever. So I've got to waste away ten years of my life in > order to climb a competitive ladder and only then am I allowed access > to laboratories with equipment, only then would I be allowed to > discuss my theories with other people who are genuinely interested in > the subject. Instead I've been saying to myself, fuck it, and > destroying my brain. Yeah I know its wrong, hence I've stopped it. > But when I'm sober I lose my patience. i am genuinely interested in the subject... i have had ideas... but > I don't want recognition, money, or a piece of paper signed by an > education board, but everyone else is convinced this is the way to go. > I just want to learn about and make a contribution to science, and I > think everyone who wants to should be allowed to. then you can tell someone and they can sell your idea... and then you will have made a contribution to science... i talk to people about anything ... so long as your ideas get out then you are making a contribution... forget fame ... that's a lonely sad world... look through universities' physics departments for people doing research projects in the area you are interested in ... email them ... talk to them .... get an email conversation going... my girlfriend emailed a very well known (not just in his own field) psychoanalyst ... and asked if he was taking on patients... he accepted her almost straight away ... tho you can email any academic you like ... just start up a conversation ... but the people we would most like to email we cannot ... ie anyone in goverment... ironic innit? (i guess we could bug the US senators instead......) > So instead of having to go through a laborious process of systemised > education, the whole thing should ease up, and everyone should be > vegan, considerate, understanding, and self-less, and the way things > and people are, its fucking difficult to be all of those things > oneself. Whether the problem is me or the system which my physics > teacher abides by is just a matter of opinion (but I still get on > with him because he is open-minded). sounds like you definitely need to read some David Bohm (Unfolding Meaning OR Thought as a System) and Krishnamurti ... z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 > > Didn't Einstein have no qualifications? > > Didn't he? He was a one off then no he's not... there's absolutely no reason why you have to go to college to learn things... i am perpetually studying ... and yet i will not go to another institution (graduated in '93) to be taught... we can all learn all about rocket science and cosmology with the resources available to us ... you just have to be curious enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 > > > Didn't Einstein have no qualifications? > >Didn't he? He was a one off then > > My mistake, he did have qualifications. But he then worked > for the patent > office and did his research into physics on his own until > being recognized > and offered an academic position. didn't he come from Tasmania? ... or was that someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 But one still has to go through the tiresome rigmarole of A-levels and university first. Ok fair enough, people need to have a basis before doing their individual research etc. If I had more opportunities and didn't need to prove anything with grades I could work intensively until getting to the point of doing my own research within a year. Then i could get on with being a human being and part of society again. But I've got to pass a-levels and university first, living largely off the state all that time if I seriously want to contribute to physics. I don't think i can be arsed. Maybe i should just quit college and read up on everything independantly and do my own research. But then I wouldn't be officially part of the academic world anymore, and I wouldn't be among others doing similar research and so wouldn't have any motivation. jules , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > >You spoke of people needing a PhD, do you > > > know what one of those is? > >Yes, my sister's doing one. > > Then you'll be aware that it has nothing to do with standardized education > but simply working on your own interests. > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 >I could >work intensively until getting to the point of doing my own research >within a year. Gee, you think highly of yourself. If you're really that good what's stopping you, all you need is a local library. > Then i could get on with being a human being and part >of society again. Why must they be exclusive? >But I've got to pass a-levels and university first, living largely >off the state all that time if I seriously want to contribute to >physics. I don't think i can be arsed. If you seriously wanted to contribute you wouldn't let something so trivial put you off. And if you're that good you can make your contributions while studying, especially at university where you will be offered some autonomy. >Maybe i should just quit college and read up on everything >independantly... But then I wouldn't be >officially part of the academic world... and so wouldn't have any >motivation. I thought your motivation was contributing? You've said so often enough. You also said that academia was full of people motivated by money and fame, who are competitive rather than constructive, and who want to steal your ideas. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > >I could > >work intensively until getting to the point of doing my own research > >within a year. > > Gee, you think highly of yourself. If you're really that good what's > stopping you, all you need is a local library. Sorry what I mean is that anyone could. > > Then i could get on with being a human being and part > >of society again. > > Why must they be exclusive? Well some people I know who are at university are just living off their grant and taking drugs, the university and the course they are studying is just their cover and excuse for doing absolutely nothing (and also so that when they pass they can get a salariat office job). Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 Surely they will just fail their degrees if they don't work quite hard? Those who are just bumming around on drugs won't do very well, will they? Won't they get kicked out for not working anyway? I'm wondering how much universities allow students to get away with now! I always thought I was never university material. Got a couple of A levels and about 8 O levels so could have gone to poly if I had wanted to. Lots of polys were taking those who had not done so well at A level, while the unis were taking the brightest ones, in my day. Not sure what happens now tho'. Lesley djules_75 [djules_75] 25 April 2002 12:22 Re: my physics teacher OT , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > >I could > >work intensively until getting to the point of doing my own research > >within a year. > > Gee, you think highly of yourself. If you're really that good what's > stopping you, all you need is a local library. Sorry what I mean is that anyone could. > > Then i could get on with being a human being and part > >of society again. > > Why must they be exclusive? Well some people I know who are at university are just living off their grant and taking drugs, the university and the course they are studying is just their cover and excuse for doing absolutely nothing (and also so that when they pass they can get a salariat office job). Jules ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 >Well some people I know who are at university are just living off >their grant and taking drugs, the university and the course they are >studying is just their cover and excuse for doing absolutely nothing >(and also so that when they pass they can get a salariat office job). There is no grant anymore, the best you can hope for is for the means tested portion of tuition fees to be paid for you. And the student loan is not enough to live off of. And you can't pass if you do absolutely nothing. A lot of people are able to be a part of humanity and study. Don't you think that the kind of people you know would only be representative of your peers and not everyone? Are you some right wing capitalist? People are university are not living off the state either because they pay it all back through direct loan repayments and a life time of taxation. Maybe we shouldn't give money to those layabouts and only let the rich elite have a better education because at least they won't waste the opportunity and using it as a cover for drug taking. Oh no. And what about those unemployed, they're just lazy oikes... Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 Nah they get away with murder! If they're vegan I don't know what they get away with. But degrees like philosophy, depending on how one looks at it can be the art of bullshitting or an honorable quest for the answer to why we are here and teh quest for meaning. Someone from my old school at uni now doing philosophy had to write an essay titled " why is an apple a pear? " . Four hundred words of rubbish. You get marks for how well you express it, apparantly. Having said this, not all philosophy is like this, as Mavreela will probably point this out. A girl i know at edinburgh has a total of 7 hours of lectures and two essays to write a week, the rest of the time she spends her grant money, which she'll pay back after uni when she has a job.. But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, and some courses are really demanding. Depends what you want to do and what your attitude is. Jules , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > Surely they will just fail their degrees if they don't work quite hard? > Those who are just bumming around on drugs won't do very well, will they? > Won't they get kicked out for not working anyway? > I'm wondering how much universities allow students to get away with now! > I always thought I was never university material. > > Got a couple of A levels and about 8 O levels so could have gone to poly if > I had wanted to. > Lots of polys were taking those who had not done so well at A level, while > the unis were taking the brightest ones, in my day. Not sure what happens > now tho'. > > Lesley > > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > 25 April 2002 12:22 > > Re: my physics teacher OT > > > , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > > > >I could > > >work intensively until getting to the point of doing my own > research > > >within a year. > > > > Gee, you think highly of yourself. If you're really that good > what's > > stopping you, all you need is a local library. > > Sorry what I mean is that anyone could. > > > > Then i could get on with being a human being and part > > >of society again. > > > > Why must they be exclusive? > > Well some people I know who are at university are just living off > their grant and taking drugs, the university and the course they are > studying is just their cover and excuse for doing absolutely nothing > (and also so that when they pass they can get a salariat office job). > > Jules > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > Are you some right wing capitalist? NO I was just having a rant at how some people spend years at uni doing nothing but write meaningless essays while Lesley can't study because she has to bring up 3 kids and no-one will help her. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 I think single parents have it much harder tho'. I would have liked to study something that would have made me of use to the AR movement, such as law, like my friend Jerry Friedman in California is doing, in order to be a lawyer to the movement. But even if I'm not clever enough to do that, I can't see why I couldn't learn something which would help to make me into a useful member of society. I feel certain that there are things I can do better than being full-time at home with the kids, I feel I get impatient sometimes and being so unfulfilled is not good for the kids because it is not good for me. Lesley djules_75 [djules_75] 25 April 2002 18:17 Re: my physics teacher OT , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > Are you some right wing capitalist? NO I was just having a rant at how some people spend years at uni doing nothing but write meaningless essays while Lesley can't study because she has to bring up 3 kids and no-one will help her. Jules ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > I can't see why I couldn't > learn something which would help to make me into a useful member of society. Maybe you could learn to respect others?...it would certainly be a start, considering how much you expect them to respect you. the doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 , " pctalking " <pctalking@h...> wrote: > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > I can't see why I couldn't > > learn something which would help to make me into a useful member > of society. There are options to do degrees in all sorts of stuff even Childcare. If you did a course in childcare you could set up the kind of system which you are in need of now - some kind of vegan creche, so that others like you won't suffer the same kind of problems you are facing. > Maybe you could learn to respect others?...it would certainly be a > start, considering how much you expect them to respect you. > > the doc I don't see how Lesley doesn't respect others. What you talking about? Are you talking out of your tetracannibinoid infused arse? Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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