Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 I smoke roll-ups, because they contain less chemicals etc and aren't marketed like the big brand ready made cancer sticks. I don't know if they're vegan though. I think the reason why most people smoke is it relaxes them - although its a stimulant and irritant the fact that they are addicted means that when they get their fix it calms them down. I think this is why I smoke, to cope with pressure. Of course it only makes things worse, but when I haven't had a cigarette for more than a day I don't care about that. Last time i tried to give up smoking i read some info that it was more addictive than heroin, which didn't help much. Surely there are female vegan smokers about. Jules , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > Most cigarettes are not vegan anyway. The first awakenings of my awareness > of animal abuse was the ICI smoking beagles campaign when I was still in > junior school, so for me it seems very hypocritical for anti- vivisectionists > and ethical vegans to smoke. I was aware of the link between smoking and > animal abuse from an early age, even before I stopped eating meat, so I was > pretty much always against smoking for ethical as well as health reasons. I > guess most of the vegans who smoke started before they got their ethical > values though. > I don't even know what could be pleasant about breathing in dirty smoke and > all the muck that is in it, it simply isn't pleasant, just dirty and smelly, > makes me sick, we humans definitely don't all have the same physiology with > regard to our reactions to tobacco smoke, so how ICI thought they could > learn anything about people from forcing beagles to smoke I will never > understand. > I would just like the smokers to keep it to themselves, my life is limited > so much by having to avoid certain places because of it. Even though Harrow > bus station has no smoking signs up, lots of people still smoke in there > because there is no by-law banning it so they cannot be prosecuted. The > officials won't even go up and tell the smokers to go outside, so those who > object to it have to go outside and that is not fair when it is cold. I was > really ill and hospitalised overnight once because I got some severe > breathing problems after exposure to someone's smoke, this was when I was > pregnant and was very sensitive. What I ask of smokers is that they need to > respect the right to clean air for the rest of us. > There is a vegan hypnotherapist in London Vegans who specialises in helping > people to quit smoking, maybe you could find a hypnotherapist closer to you > (probably wouldn't be a vegan though). > Sorry to hear about your girlfriend, but I have to break it to you that you > won't be likely to attract a nice new girlfriend while stinking like an old > ashtray. > I hope you aren't one of those rude smokers who does not care who you > inflict it upon. > > Auntie Lesley - telling it like it is > > > > Mark Salisbury [yow52] > 23 April 2002 23:23 > > RE: Re: my physics teacher > > > Nicotine is indeed one of the most dangerously > addictive drugs in production. I have been trying to > quit for ages, yielding no results. It just seems to > calm my wracked nerves when nothing else does. Also, I > just split up with my girlfriend and I'm chainsmoking > way too much. Plus, rather sadly, it fits in with my > beatnik image. Duh. > > --- Lesley Dove <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > Apparently is is one of the most addictive drugs > > there is, for those who > > like it. More so than a lot of the illegal drugs, so > > it does not make sense > > to me that it is legal since it is supposed to be > > addictive for a lot of > > people, and you seem to be one of those unfortunate > > people. > > Fortunately I always really hated the smell of smoke > > anyway as well as > > second hand smoke causing me catarrh and severe > > breathing trouble, but that > > is just my body's natural defences, reacting to > > something that is bad! I was > > always violently sick from the smallest whiff of > > second hand smoke when I > > was pregnant, but to me that seems completely > > natural for my body to do > > this, nature's way of making me keep away from > > something that would harm the > > baby as well as myself. > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > > 23 April 2002 22:37 > > > > Re: my physics teacher > > > > > > Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is > > tobacco, and > > thats legal! > > > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel > > that expulsion would > > be > > > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a > > drug problem > > should first > > > be offered help before they should be punished, > > especially if they > > have a > > > parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad > > example and started > > the young > > > person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a > > proper example > > (dealing is > > > another matter and should be dealt with with the > > full weight of the > > law). I > > > would think being expelled would be likely to make > > the young person > > more > > > likely to continue to do drugs! > > > > > > Seems to me that the importance of a good parental > > role model > > cannot be > > > overstated. > > > Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke > > than the kids of > > > non-smokers, so it's probably the same with > > cannabis and illegal > > drugs. Kids > > > are more influenced by their parents than by their > > peers in the > > long run, > > > even if they go through phases of being influenced > > by peer > > pressure, the > > > parental influence is generally very strong indeed > > and it takes a > > lot of > > > strength to overcome it. > > > I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but > > occasionally catch myself > > saying > > > something and thinking my mum used to say that! > > > You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, > > please don't just > > say " not > > > for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it! > > > Stay drug-free and you will show a better example > > of how a vegan > > can be! > > > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~ info > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Please remember that the above is only the opinion > > of the author, > > there may be another side to the story you have not > > heard. > > > --------------------------- > > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? 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Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Most female vegans have too much sense to smoke fortunately. Most people would not want to do it, it simply is unpleasant to most of us, and yet the minority, the antisocial smokers, tend to take over like a cancer invading social meeting places, so many non-smokers feel unable to go to pubs and clubs, etc. I think this is wrong and that most of these places should reflect the majority wish and be smoke-free. I was so ill after my aunt's wedding because of people smoking, never again will I tolerate it! I still have a persistent sore throat (not a cold though) a week and a half later. It is not vegan to abuse your body in that way. If veganism is about compassion, you are not being compassionate to yourself by smoking so why not just quit? No more excuses. If you can go one day, you can go two days, three, four, a week, a month, a year, for ever. It's all in your mind that you can't quit. You are still keeping some evil expoiter in business, and roll-ups are bad because there is no filter to take out some poisons. How can a stimulant be relaxing? It simply can't be! It's all in the mind that it is relaxing in that case unless the minority of people who like smoking have some strange mutation. I do tend to overeat to cope with pressure, but at least eating is pleasant! I am about a stone and a half overweight, but that is still less of a risk than smoking and I have lost a lot of weight since having my daughter. Lesley djules_75 [djules_75] 24 April 2002 13:04 Re: smoking Ot I smoke roll-ups, because they contain less chemicals etc and aren't marketed like the big brand ready made cancer sticks. I don't know if they're vegan though. I think the reason why most people smoke is it relaxes them - although its a stimulant and irritant the fact that they are addicted means that when they get their fix it calms them down. I think this is why I smoke, to cope with pressure. Of course it only makes things worse, but when I haven't had a cigarette for more than a day I don't care about that. Last time i tried to give up smoking i read some info that it was more addictive than heroin, which didn't help much. Surely there are female vegan smokers about. Jules , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > Most cigarettes are not vegan anyway. The first awakenings of my awareness > of animal abuse was the ICI smoking beagles campaign when I was still in > junior school, so for me it seems very hypocritical for anti- vivisectionists > and ethical vegans to smoke. I was aware of the link between smoking and > animal abuse from an early age, even before I stopped eating meat, so I was > pretty much always against smoking for ethical as well as health reasons. I > guess most of the vegans who smoke started before they got their ethical > values though. > I don't even know what could be pleasant about breathing in dirty smoke and > all the muck that is in it, it simply isn't pleasant, just dirty and smelly, > makes me sick, we humans definitely don't all have the same physiology with > regard to our reactions to tobacco smoke, so how ICI thought they could > learn anything about people from forcing beagles to smoke I will never > understand. > I would just like the smokers to keep it to themselves, my life is limited > so much by having to avoid certain places because of it. Even though Harrow > bus station has no smoking signs up, lots of people still smoke in there > because there is no by-law banning it so they cannot be prosecuted. The > officials won't even go up and tell the smokers to go outside, so those who > object to it have to go outside and that is not fair when it is cold. I was > really ill and hospitalised overnight once because I got some severe > breathing problems after exposure to someone's smoke, this was when I was > pregnant and was very sensitive. What I ask of smokers is that they need to > respect the right to clean air for the rest of us. > There is a vegan hypnotherapist in London Vegans who specialises in helping > people to quit smoking, maybe you could find a hypnotherapist closer to you > (probably wouldn't be a vegan though). > Sorry to hear about your girlfriend, but I have to break it to you that you > won't be likely to attract a nice new girlfriend while stinking like an old > ashtray. > I hope you aren't one of those rude smokers who does not care who you > inflict it upon. > > Auntie Lesley - telling it like it is > > > > Mark Salisbury [yow52] > 23 April 2002 23:23 > > RE: Re: my physics teacher > > > Nicotine is indeed one of the most dangerously > addictive drugs in production. I have been trying to > quit for ages, yielding no results. It just seems to > calm my wracked nerves when nothing else does. Also, I > just split up with my girlfriend and I'm chainsmoking > way too much. Plus, rather sadly, it fits in with my > beatnik image. Duh. > > --- Lesley Dove <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > Apparently is is one of the most addictive drugs > > there is, for those who > > like it. More so than a lot of the illegal drugs, so > > it does not make sense > > to me that it is legal since it is supposed to be > > addictive for a lot of > > people, and you seem to be one of those unfortunate > > people. > > Fortunately I always really hated the smell of smoke > > anyway as well as > > second hand smoke causing me catarrh and severe > > breathing trouble, but that > > is just my body's natural defences, reacting to > > something that is bad! I was > > always violently sick from the smallest whiff of > > second hand smoke when I > > was pregnant, but to me that seems completely > > natural for my body to do > > this, nature's way of making me keep away from > > something that would harm the > > baby as well as myself. > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > > 23 April 2002 22:37 > > > > Re: my physics teacher > > > > > > Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is > > tobacco, and > > thats legal! > > > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel > > that expulsion would > > be > > > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a > > drug problem > > should first > > > be offered help before they should be punished, > > especially if they > > have a > > > parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad > > example and started > > the young > > > person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a > > proper example > > (dealing is > > > another matter and should be dealt with with the > > full weight of the > > law). I > > > would think being expelled would be likely to make > > the young person > > more > > > likely to continue to do drugs! > > > > > > Seems to me that the importance of a good parental > > role model > > cannot be > > > overstated. > > > Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke > > than the kids of > > > non-smokers, so it's probably the same with > > cannabis and illegal > > drugs. Kids > > > are more influenced by their parents than by their > > peers in the > > long run, > > > even if they go through phases of being influenced > > by peer > > pressure, the > > > parental influence is generally very strong indeed > > and it takes a > > lot of > > > strength to overcome it. > > > I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but > > occasionally catch myself > > saying > > > something and thinking my mum used to say that! > > > You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, > > please don't just > > say " not > > > for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it! > > > Stay drug-free and you will show a better example > > of how a vegan > > can be! > > > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~ info > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Please remember that the above is only the opinion > > of the author, > > there may be another side to the story you have not > > heard. > > > --------------------------- > > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? 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Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 > I smoke roll-ups, because they contain less chemicals etc and aren't > marketed like the big brand ready made cancer sticks. I don't know if > they're vegan though. it's a plant > I think the reason why most people smoke is it relaxes them - > although its a stimulant and irritant the fact that they are addicted > means that when they get their fix it calms them down. I think this > is why I smoke, to cope with pressure. Of course it only makes things it's the habit that is addictive... not just the smoke... a habit is a no-thinking repetitive movement... you don't think about it ... you don't think... you are stressed... there are things going on in your head which you cannot resolve... and they go round and round in your head ... non-stop ... and we like to run away.... the moment you run away and think cigarette you start the process of the habit... you get out the cigarette... light it... suck it a few times ... breath in and out ... stub it out... and in that movement .... you have not thought about your problems ... you have given yourself a break ... if you are stressed and giving up cigarettes ... when your head is swimming with stress... and you know that you get relief from it for a moment by having a cigarette ... then seeing other people getting relief from their stress can make you envious... and this can quickly turn to anger at them... having a cigarette is having a break from your problems... from the stresses... and that is bliss for someone who is really stressed or troubled by problems they cannot easily resolve by themselves... if we could help people resolve these problems ... then they would cut down automatically... it's also interesting to watch yourself going through the process of smoking from taking it from the packet to stubbing it out ... watch every movement... the taste .. the smoke rising... the more your observe the habit the less of a habit it becomes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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