Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 >Scientists define >people as being mentally ill when often they are just victims of >society. A lot of mental illness are biological rather than social, and even those like depression can be either. Truth is it's a very inexact science and a lot is drawn from very little. Certainly classing it as an illness and abnormal (mental illnesses come under 'abnormal psychology') puts it in opposition to normal which I don't agree with. Whose to say what is normal and what isn't? Why can't it just be a case of people being different? If we managed to cure all mental illness then the world will be deprived of a lot of art, that's for sure. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Art, oh yes, there was the guy who chopped off his own ear, ick! Van Gogh. On the other hand I think we could all definitely do without Damien Hirst and his bisected sheep and cows, ta very much. Same goes for Tracey Emin and her dirty unmade bed, although she's not so offensive as Hirst, amazing the things that pass for art these days innit? Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists] 24 April 2002 14:34 Psychology [OT] (was my physics teacher) >Scientists define >people as being mentally ill when often they are just victims of >society. A lot of mental illness are biological rather than social, and even those like depression can be either. Truth is it's a very inexact science and a lot is drawn from very little. Certainly classing it as an illness and abnormal (mental illnesses come under 'abnormal psychology') puts it in opposition to normal which I don't agree with. Whose to say what is normal and what isn't? Why can't it just be a case of people being different? If we managed to cure all mental illness then the world will be deprived of a lot of art, that's for sure. Michael ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 >Art, oh yes... Van Gogh... Damien Hirst... Tracey Emin... Bizarrely I don't think any of those have been diagnosed as mentally ill. Here's a list from recent history though, not all artists but the majority are http://www.frii.com/~parrot/dead.html Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > >Scientists define > >people as being mentally ill when often they are just victims of > >society. > > A lot of mental illness are biological rather than social, and even those > like depression can be either. Truth is it's a very inexact science and a > lot is drawn from very little. In the case of Henry the bloke i was talking about, what could be better to cure his mental and biological state than living like an anthropoid, swimming in the sea, walking around barefoot, and living on a drug free diet of vegan food and fish? (I'm not condoning eating fish by the way). All he was trying to get was freedom, a commodity thats not allowed anymore. So he got put on scientific animal tested drugs because he was considered dangerous and depressed. I'm just realising what has happened to him, I've been trying to help him, there's nothing much I can do. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 I once did a poster against vivisection showing pictures of the half dissected abused animals in laboratories. I showed it to a girl I know, she thought at first that it was art and that I'd dissected the animals myself!! Jules , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > Art, oh yes, there was the guy who chopped off his own ear, ick! Van Gogh. > On the other hand I think we could all definitely do without Damien Hirst > and his bisected sheep and cows, ta very much. Same goes for Tracey Emin and > her dirty unmade bed, although she's not so offensive as Hirst, amazing the > things that pass for art these days innit? > > Lesley > > > Mavreela [nec.lists@m...] > 24 April 2002 14:34 > > Psychology [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > > >Scientists define > >people as being mentally ill when often they are just victims of > >society. > > A lot of mental illness are biological rather than social, and even those > like depression can be either. Truth is it's a very inexact science and a > lot is drawn from very little. > > Certainly classing it as an illness and abnormal (mental illnesses come > under 'abnormal psychology') puts it in opposition to normal which I don't > agree with. Whose to say what is normal and what isn't? Why can't it just > be a case of people being different? If we managed to cure all mental > illness then the world will be deprived of a lot of art, that's for sure. > > Michael > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Yup, that is bizarre, if they are/were not mentally ill, then who is! Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists] 24 April 2002 15:06 RE: Psychology [OT] (was my physics teacher) >Art, oh yes... Van Gogh... Damien Hirst... Tracey Emin... Bizarrely I don't think any of those have been diagnosed as mentally ill. Here's a list from recent history though, not all artists but the majority are http://www.frii.com/~parrot/dead.html Michael ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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