Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 >Nah they get away with murder! Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment on the attitudes of a few people you know. >But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, and >some courses are really demanding. So you complain that education is all about being taught what they want you to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own interests in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away with murder. Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about how hard done by you are? Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > So you complain that education is all about being taught what they want you > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own interests > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away with murder. No, no no, never mind. I'm being a hypocrite and digging my own hole again, never mind. > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about how hard > done by you are? > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took lots of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are great and everybody should take them...except Lesley...even the Doctors know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt middle class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! But there are also lots of people who are really into university and developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of drugs doesn't debase that at all. I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants to see your (hons)degree anyway?? so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. xoxox , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > >Nah they get away with murder! > > Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment on the > attitudes of a few people you know. > > >But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, and > >some courses are really demanding. > > So you complain that education is all about being taught what they want you > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own interests > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away with murder. > > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about how hard > done by you are? > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 , " pctalking " <pctalking@h...> wrote: > I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are > infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took lots > of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are great > and everybody should take them I don't agree with that. Some people, like myself, are verry unstable when they take them: I for example during the withdrawal process write " infantile and tabloidesque " shit on this e-group. Rather than say everyone should take drugs: everyone should be vegan. ....except Lesley...even the Doctors > know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! > > And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way > through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt middle > class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! Those are the kind of people I was talking about, a faction of society I was part of as well. Now I'm a social reject, which I prefer being. Jules > But there are also lots of people who are really into university and > developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of drugs > doesn't debase that at all. > > I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to > give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my > disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants to > see your (hons)degree anyway?? > > so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new > house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. > > > xoxox > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 As a parent you should understand my frustration and depression and not being able to get to do things I feel the need to do in my life (or at least your wife should). I wasn't always like this, it's a reaction to my situation. As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes help, nothing to do with placebos. Lesley pctalking [pctalking] 25 April 2002 19:05 Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took lots of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are great and everybody should take them...except Lesley...even the Doctors know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt middle class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! But there are also lots of people who are really into university and developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of drugs doesn't debase that at all. I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants to see your (hons)degree anyway?? so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. xoxox , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > >Nah they get away with murder! > > Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment on the > attitudes of a few people you know. > > >But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, and > >some courses are really demanding. > > So you complain that education is all about being taught what they want you > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own interests > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away with murder. > > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about how hard > done by you are? > > Michael ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 Of coarse I do, but it's got a lot more do with getting off your ass and getting on with it; rather than constantly whinging and blaming everyone else. the doc , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > As a parent you should understand my frustration and depression and not > being able to get to do things I feel the need to do in my life (or at least > your wife should). I wasn't always like this, it's a reaction to my > situation. > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes help, nothing to > do with placebos. > > Lesley > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > 25 April 2002 19:05 > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are > infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took lots > of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are great > and everybody should take them...except Lesley...even the Doctors > know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! > > And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way > through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt middle > class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! > > But there are also lots of people who are really into university and > developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of drugs > doesn't debase that at all. > > I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to > give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my > disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants to > see your (hons)degree anyway?? > > so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new > house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. > > > xoxox > > , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > > > >Nah they get away with murder! > > > > Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment on > the > > attitudes of a few people you know. > > > > >But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, > and > > >some courses are really demanding. > > > > So you complain that education is all about being taught what they > want you > > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own > interests > > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away > with murder. > > > > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about > how hard > > done by you are? > > > > Michael > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 In that case, you really have no idea just how hard I have tried to get help with the kids, both for some time for us as a couple and for the possibility of undertaking work or study, when I would only need one child cared for as the other two are in school, and yet we can't even get a babysitter to allow for us to have an evening out together. I think Paul and I deserve some time for ourselves. I have made loads of phone calls, and let it be known to so many people what we need, and no luck. I even offered ages ago to organise an exchange babysitting circle with other veggie and vegan mums in the area and had no takers. Maybe it is where we live that people are especially unhelpful. Maybe the asthma is stress related to some extent, although smoke is the main trigger. I didn't whinge until I had truly pulled out all the stops to find the support we needed, and found none. Lesley pctalking [pctalking] 26 April 2002 20:04 Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) Of coarse I do, but it's got a lot more do with getting off your ass and getting on with it; rather than constantly whinging and blaming everyone else. the doc , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > As a parent you should understand my frustration and depression and not > being able to get to do things I feel the need to do in my life (or at least > your wife should). I wasn't always like this, it's a reaction to my > situation. > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes help, nothing to > do with placebos. > > Lesley > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > 25 April 2002 19:05 > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are > infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took lots > of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are great > and everybody should take them...except Lesley...even the Doctors > know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! > > And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way > through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt middle > class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! > > But there are also lots of people who are really into university and > developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of drugs > doesn't debase that at all. > > I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to > give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my > disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants to > see your (hons)degree anyway?? > > so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new > house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. > > > xoxox > > , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > > > >Nah they get away with murder! > > > > Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment on > the > > attitudes of a few people you know. > > > > >But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, > and > > >some courses are really demanding. > > > > So you complain that education is all about being taught what they > want you > > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own > interests > > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away > with murder. > > > > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about > how hard > > done by you are? > > > > Michael > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 OK MrCleverDick, what would Mertle do to solve the problem? Lesley pctalking [pctalking] 26 April 2002 20:04 Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) Of coarse I do, but it's got a lot more do with getting off your ass and getting on with it; rather than constantly whinging and blaming everyone else. the doc , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > As a parent you should understand my frustration and depression and not > being able to get to do things I feel the need to do in my life (or at least > your wife should). I wasn't always like this, it's a reaction to my > situation. > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes help, nothing to > do with placebos. > > Lesley > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > 25 April 2002 19:05 > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are > infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took lots > of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are great > and everybody should take them...except Lesley...even the Doctors > know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! > > And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way > through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt middle > class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! > > But there are also lots of people who are really into university and > developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of drugs > doesn't debase that at all. > > I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to > give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my > disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants to > see your (hons)degree anyway?? > > so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new > house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. > > > xoxox > > , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > > > >Nah they get away with murder! > > > > Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment on > the > > attitudes of a few people you know. > > > > >But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, > and > > >some courses are really demanding. > > > > So you complain that education is all about being taught what they > want you > > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own > interests > > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away > with murder. > > > > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about > how hard > > done by you are? > > > > Michael > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 She's doing it honey, but she has made it quite clear to me that it's non of your business. doc , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > OK MrCleverDick, what would Mertle do to solve the problem? > > Lesley > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > 26 April 2002 20:04 > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > Of coarse I do, but it's got a lot more do with getting off your ass > and getting on with it; rather than constantly whinging and blaming > everyone else. > > > the doc > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > > As a parent you should understand my frustration and depression > and not > > being able to get to do things I feel the need to do in my life > (or at least > > your wife should). I wasn't always like this, it's a reaction to my > > situation. > > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes help, > nothing to > > do with placebos. > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > > 25 April 2002 19:05 > > > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > > > > I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are > > infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took lots > > of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are > great > > and everybody should take them...except Lesley...even the Doctors > > know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! > > > > And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way > > through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt middle > > class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! > > > > But there are also lots of people who are really into university > and > > developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of drugs > > doesn't debase that at all. > > > > I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to > > give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my > > disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants to > > see your (hons)degree anyway?? > > > > so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new > > house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. > > > > > > xoxox > > > > , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > > > > > >Nah they get away with murder! > > > > > > Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment on > > the > > > attitudes of a few people you know. > > > > > > >But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, > > and > > > >some courses are really demanding. > > > > > > So you complain that education is all about being taught what > they > > want you > > > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own > > interests > > > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away > > with murder. > > > > > > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about > > how hard > > > done by you are? > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > > --------------------------- > > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > > Un: send a blank message to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 In other words she is going through exactly the same as I am going through, but you aren't prepared to admit she is as screwed up and frustrated as I am, most likely more so and using drugs to cope, and that you as a family have as much trouble finding solutions as we do! Can't bear to lose face can you? You are so transparent. Lesley pctalking [pctalking] 27 April 2002 01:20 Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) She's doing it honey, but she has made it quite clear to me that it's non of your business. doc , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > OK MrCleverDick, what would Mertle do to solve the problem? > > Lesley > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > 26 April 2002 20:04 > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > Of coarse I do, but it's got a lot more do with getting off your ass > and getting on with it; rather than constantly whinging and blaming > everyone else. > > > the doc > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > > As a parent you should understand my frustration and depression > and not > > being able to get to do things I feel the need to do in my life > (or at least > > your wife should). I wasn't always like this, it's a reaction to my > > situation. > > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes help, > nothing to > > do with placebos. > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > > 25 April 2002 19:05 > > > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > > > > I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are > > infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took lots > > of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are > great > > and everybody should take them...except Lesley...even the Doctors > > know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! > > > > And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way > > through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt middle > > class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! > > > > But there are also lots of people who are really into university > and > > developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of drugs > > doesn't debase that at all. > > > > I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to > > give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my > > disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants to > > see your (hons)degree anyway?? > > > > so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new > > house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. > > > > > > xoxox > > > > , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > > > > > >Nah they get away with murder! > > > > > > Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment on > > the > > > attitudes of a few people you know. > > > > > > >But there are people who take studying really seriously as well, > > and > > > >some courses are really demanding. > > > > > > So you complain that education is all about being taught what > they > > want you > > > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your own > > interests > > > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting away > > with murder. > > > > > > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining about > > how hard > > > done by you are? > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > > --------------------------- > > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > > Un: send a blank message to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 Well if I'm transparent you must be even blinder than I thought! I'm glad you can finally admit to being " screwed up and frustrated " but please, don't assume others are too, just because they want nothing to do with you. doc , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > In other words she is going through exactly the same as I am going through, > but you aren't prepared to admit she is as screwed up and frustrated as I > am, most likely more so and using drugs to cope, and that you as a family > have as much trouble finding solutions as we do! > Can't bear to lose face can you? > You are so transparent. > > Lesley > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > 27 April 2002 01:20 > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > She's doing it honey, but she has made it quite clear to me that > it's non of your business. > > > doc > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > > OK MrCleverDick, what would Mertle do to solve the problem? > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > > 26 April 2002 20:04 > > > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > > > > Of coarse I do, but it's got a lot more do with getting off your > ass > > and getting on with it; rather than constantly whinging and > blaming > > everyone else. > > > > > > the doc > > > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > > > > As a parent you should understand my frustration and depression > > and not > > > being able to get to do things I feel the need to do in my life > > (or at least > > > your wife should). I wasn't always like this, it's a reaction to > my > > > situation. > > > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes help, > > nothing to > > > do with placebos. > > > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > > > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > > > 25 April 2002 19:05 > > > > > > Re: Education [OT] (was my physics teacher) > > > > > > > > > I have to stand by Mike the MOd here...your comments jules are > > > infantile and tabloidesque. I went to Art college, and I took > lots > > > of drugs...but then I've always took lots of drugs as they are > > great > > > and everybody should take them...except Lesley...even the Doctors > > > know shes just two placebos short of a breakdown! > > > > > > And yes, there are lots of people there who just waffle their way > > > through it; and I hated them because they were mostly spoilt > middle > > > class idiots with as much passion as nora batty! > > > > > > But there are also lots of people who are really into university > > and > > > developing themselves; and just because they may take lots of > drugs > > > doesn't debase that at all. > > > > > > I disagreed and argued the whole way through it. They refused to > > > give me my honours unless I removed all the swearing from my > > > disertation...naturally I told them to f**k off...who ever wants > to > > > see your (hons)degree anyway?? > > > > > > so there you go...Dr P.C. is back, and living in his lovely new > > > house in B'ton with south facing Garden and a large spliff. > > > > > > > > > xoxox > > > > > > , Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Nah they get away with murder! > > > > > > > > Well you'd know, it's not like your just basing this judgment > on > > > the > > > > attitudes of a few people you know. > > > > > > > > >But there are people who take studying really seriously as > well, > > > and > > > > >some courses are really demanding. > > > > > > > > So you complain that education is all about being taught what > > they > > > want you > > > > to know, and then if you are given the freedom to purse your > own > > > interests > > > > in the subject independently then you complain it's getting > away > > > with murder. > > > > > > > > Can you ever be satisfied, or do you just like complaining > about > > > how hard > > > > done by you are? > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > > > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > > > --------------------------- > > > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > > > Un: send a blank message to - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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