Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 i use the method when i feel a cold coming on ... or when i feel my nose blocking... i haven't looked into how it works... it's something to do with the balance of carbon dioxide and oxygen that we have in our system... and how that affects the tissues in the nasal passage... the Buteyko method works to reduce the constriction in the airways... somewhere there's a good page for teaching children the method... > Have you ever looked into the Buteyko method for relieving asthma..? > > http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm > > z > > > > > Lesley Dove [Lesley] > > > > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes > > help, nothing to > > do with placebos. > > > > Lesley > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 Right, thanks but I am puzzled that you would prefer to go through a whole load of difficult exercises, rather than quit smoking. I'd prefer to simply avoid smoke which is the main thing that aggravates my catarrh and breathing trouble, and do that rigorously even to the point of finding out about whether there is a mask I can wear that filters it out if I happen to have to be anywhere near someone smoking. How can you carry on being a smoker if you have breathing problems when you get a cold? Makes no sense. I don't understand how you can happily continue to do something that obviously clogs your lungs with tar and immobilises the cilia which are part of the lungs' natural cleaning system. I was shocked when Ash said he had seen you chain-smoking. I wonder, what has Dr Buteyko got to say about smokers? I couldn't find anything on the site about it but I didn't look at the whole site. I cannot respect any doctor who deals with the chest and asthma but does not make a big point of condemning smoking. I think he is kind of missing the point about the crap that is the biggest irritant to the lungs and throat. We need to eradicate the problem of smoking completely, then we would see a real difference. I really do not think exercises would help when I am irritated by smoke. My mum is asthmatic and a smoker, silly woman! She would probably not have any problems at all if she just quit, and if she had quit when I was young or before I was even conceived I would most likely have had no breathing problems whatsoever. I've no sympathy at all with asthmatics who smoke, especially since my mother's smoking caused me to be so ill. She was unhealthy (asthmatic since one of her childhood vaccinations) and obviously could not bear to have a healthy daughter she would be jealous of, so she must have decided it was ethically OK to drag me down to her level of poor health. It's like diabetics eating sugar, obese people continuing to overeat, etc, except that smoking is even worse because it has a more seriously damaging effect on others around them! Thanks for thinking of me but do you seriously think I would feel confident to take the advice of a SMOKER on any issues relating to breathing problems?? Would I listen to a person eating McDonalds burgers on anything relating to either ethical issues or health? NO! I could not respect their authority. I can respect you for being a vegan and having some ethics, but when it comes to this issue, you have no credibility in my eyes because of what you are doing to your own lungs, and worst of all harming those around you. It's not a question of it being only your body so it's up to you, if Ash the non-smoker or other people are around and forced to breathe your smoke. I would listen to advice from someone like Ian who also can't bear to be around smoke, however, also because his physiology is most likely more like mine than yours is. Since I developed worse breathing trouble during my third pregnancy, my mum is more respectful about avoiding smoking near me, and I have told her it is too late, and she should have listened to me when I was a child begging her to stop making me ill!! She knew what she was doing to me, I told her for years, and I cannot truly forgive what she did to me when she forced me to breathe her smoke and I was powerless to avoid it. She left me with a weak chest for life. Lesley Oliver Slay [oliver] 26 April 2002 16:04 ' ' asthma [ot] i use the method when i feel a cold coming on ... or when i feel my nose blocking... i haven't looked into how it works... it's something to do with the balance of carbon dioxide and oxygen that we have in our system... and how that affects the tissues in the nasal passage... the Buteyko method works to reduce the constriction in the airways... somewhere there's a good page for teaching children the method... > Have you ever looked into the Buteyko method for relieving asthma..? > > http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm > > z > > > > > Lesley Dove [Lesley] > > > > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes > > help, nothing to > > do with placebos. > > > > Lesley > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Edith Sorry can't speak, crying my fuc*ing eyes out! > " Lesley Dove " <Lesley > > >RE: asthma [ot] >Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:46:48 +0100 > > >Right, thanks but I am puzzled that you would prefer to go through a whole >load of difficult exercises, rather than quit smoking. I'd prefer to simply >avoid smoke which is the main thing that aggravates my catarrh and >breathing >trouble, and do that rigorously even to the point of finding out about >whether there is a mask I can wear that filters it out if I happen to have >to be anywhere near someone smoking. How can you carry on being a smoker if >you have breathing problems when you get a cold? Makes no sense. >I don't understand how you can happily continue to do something that >obviously clogs your lungs with tar and immobilises the cilia which are >part >of the lungs' natural cleaning system. I was shocked when Ash said he had >seen you chain-smoking. >I wonder, what has Dr Buteyko got to say about smokers? I couldn't find >anything on the site about it but I didn't look at the whole site. I cannot >respect any doctor who deals with the chest and asthma but does not make a >big point of condemning smoking. I think he is kind of missing the point >about the crap that is the biggest irritant to the lungs and throat. We >need >to eradicate the problem of smoking completely, then we would see a real >difference. I really do not think exercises would help when I am irritated >by smoke. >My mum is asthmatic and a smoker, silly woman! >She would probably not have any problems at all if she just quit, and if >she >had quit when I was young or before I was even conceived I would most >likely >have had no breathing problems whatsoever. I've no sympathy at all with >asthmatics who smoke, especially since my mother's smoking caused me to be >so ill. She was unhealthy (asthmatic since one of her childhood >vaccinations) and obviously could not bear to have a healthy daughter she >would be jealous of, so she must have decided it was ethically OK to drag >me >down to her level of poor health. It's like diabetics eating sugar, obese >people continuing to overeat, etc, except that smoking is even worse >because >it has a more seriously damaging effect on others around them! > >Thanks for thinking of me but do you seriously think I would feel confident >to take the advice of a SMOKER on any issues relating to breathing >problems?? >Would I listen to a person eating McDonalds burgers on anything relating to >either ethical issues or health? NO! I could not respect their authority. >I can respect you for being a vegan and having some ethics, but when it >comes to this issue, you have no credibility in my eyes because of what you >are doing to your own lungs, and worst of all harming those around you. >It's >not a question of it being only your body so it's up to you, if Ash the >non-smoker or other people are around and forced to breathe your smoke. >I would listen to advice from someone like Ian who also can't bear to be >around smoke, however, also because his physiology is most likely more like >mine than yours is. > >Since I developed worse breathing trouble during my third pregnancy, my mum >is more respectful about avoiding smoking near me, and I have told her it >is >too late, and she should have listened to me when I was a child begging her >to stop making me ill!! She knew what she was doing to me, I told her for >years, and I cannot truly forgive what she did to me when she forced me to >breathe her smoke and I was powerless to avoid it. She left me with a weak >chest for life. > >Lesley > > > >Oliver Slay [oliver] >26 April 2002 16:04 >' ' > asthma [ot] > > >i use the method when i feel a cold coming on ... or when i feel my nose >blocking... i haven't looked into how it works... it's something to do with >the balance of carbon dioxide and oxygen that we have in our system... and >how that affects the tissues in the nasal passage... the Buteyko method >works to reduce the constriction in the airways... somewhere there's a >good >page for teaching children the method... > > > Have you ever looked into the Buteyko method for relieving asthma..? > > > > http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm > > > > z > > > > > > > > Lesley Dove [Lesley] > > > > > > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes > > > help, nothing to > > > do with placebos. > > > > > > Lesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 You don't need to speak on this list anyway. Typing is the only thing that's required! *lol* J x - " slg edith " <slgedith Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:48 AM RE: asthma [ot] > Edith > Sorry can't speak, crying my fuc*ing eyes out! > > > > " Lesley Dove " <Lesley > > > > > >RE: asthma [ot] > >Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:46:48 +0100 > > > > > >Right, thanks but I am puzzled that you would prefer to go through a whole > >load of difficult exercises, rather than quit smoking. I'd prefer to simply > >avoid smoke which is the main thing that aggravates my catarrh and > >breathing > >trouble, and do that rigorously even to the point of finding out about > >whether there is a mask I can wear that filters it out if I happen to have > >to be anywhere near someone smoking. How can you carry on being a smoker if > >you have breathing problems when you get a cold? Makes no sense. > >I don't understand how you can happily continue to do something that > >obviously clogs your lungs with tar and immobilises the cilia which are > >part > >of the lungs' natural cleaning system. I was shocked when Ash said he had > >seen you chain-smoking. > >I wonder, what has Dr Buteyko got to say about smokers? I couldn't find > >anything on the site about it but I didn't look at the whole site. I cannot > >respect any doctor who deals with the chest and asthma but does not make a > >big point of condemning smoking. I think he is kind of missing the point > >about the crap that is the biggest irritant to the lungs and throat. We > >need > >to eradicate the problem of smoking completely, then we would see a real > >difference. I really do not think exercises would help when I am irritated > >by smoke. > >My mum is asthmatic and a smoker, silly woman! > >She would probably not have any problems at all if she just quit, and if > >she > >had quit when I was young or before I was even conceived I would most > >likely > >have had no breathing problems whatsoever. I've no sympathy at all with > >asthmatics who smoke, especially since my mother's smoking caused me to be > >so ill. She was unhealthy (asthmatic since one of her childhood > >vaccinations) and obviously could not bear to have a healthy daughter she > >would be jealous of, so she must have decided it was ethically OK to drag > >me > >down to her level of poor health. It's like diabetics eating sugar, obese > >people continuing to overeat, etc, except that smoking is even worse > >because > >it has a more seriously damaging effect on others around them! > > > >Thanks for thinking of me but do you seriously think I would feel confident > >to take the advice of a SMOKER on any issues relating to breathing > >problems?? > >Would I listen to a person eating McDonalds burgers on anything relating to > >either ethical issues or health? NO! I could not respect their authority. > >I can respect you for being a vegan and having some ethics, but when it > >comes to this issue, you have no credibility in my eyes because of what you > >are doing to your own lungs, and worst of all harming those around you. > >It's > >not a question of it being only your body so it's up to you, if Ash the > >non-smoker or other people are around and forced to breathe your smoke. > >I would listen to advice from someone like Ian who also can't bear to be > >around smoke, however, also because his physiology is most likely more like > >mine than yours is. > > > >Since I developed worse breathing trouble during my third pregnancy, my mum > >is more respectful about avoiding smoking near me, and I have told her it > >is > >too late, and she should have listened to me when I was a child begging her > >to stop making me ill!! She knew what she was doing to me, I told her for > >years, and I cannot truly forgive what she did to me when she forced me to > >breathe her smoke and I was powerless to avoid it. She left me with a weak > >chest for life. > > > >Lesley > > > > > > > >Oliver Slay [oliver] > >26 April 2002 16:04 > >' ' > > asthma [ot] > > > > > >i use the method when i feel a cold coming on ... or when i feel my nose > >blocking... i haven't looked into how it works... it's something to do with > >the balance of carbon dioxide and oxygen that we have in our system... and > >how that affects the tissues in the nasal passage... the Buteyko method > >works to reduce the constriction in the airways... somewhere there's a > >good > >page for teaching children the method... > > > > > Have you ever looked into the Buteyko method for relieving asthma..? > > > > > > http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm > > > > > > z > > > > > > > > > > > Lesley Dove [Lesley] > > > > > > > > As for the asthmatic attacks, the ventolin does sometimes > > > > help, nothing to > > > > do with placebos. > > > > > > > > Lesley > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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