Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 I've worked in a supermarket stacking dairy made cakes, I've been a waiter in a meat and dairy caf, I've worked in a kitchen and have had to wash up meat and dairy dishes. My mum's pushing me to find a job but my reasoning always boils down to the fact that I can't find any vegan friendly jobs. It pisses me off, if I'm going be to wasting my life away earning money, I don't want to be going against my beliefs as well, that would just be the pits. I applied at the local wholefood store but they're already full of people. Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 That's a shame there was no job available in the wholefood shop, was that Canterbury Wholefoods? Maybe you could look for work that does not involve anything to do with food? Funny you mention jobs, I've been browsing here just now actually, thinking a lot about starting a course for a career (lack of childcare is the only thing holding me back) and there seem to be lots of jobs not involving any animal abuse component. http://www.learndirect-futures.co.uk/job_profiles/jf_frameset.htm The other option is if you are a waiter in a omni caf, then your veganism can be of some influence, getting the caf to be aware of vegans (and dairy allergic people) and to provide some vegan choices and soya milk for teas, etc. Be creative and make the best of a situation where you have to compromise. What are your plans when you have finished your studies? And why the hell am I so good at suggesting creative solutions for everyone else but not able to find any for myself? Lesley djules_75 [djules_75] 30 April 2002 13:11 Vegan Jobs I've worked in a supermarket stacking dairy made cakes, I've been a waiter in a meat and dairy caf, I've worked in a kitchen and have had to wash up meat and dairy dishes. My mum's pushing me to find a job but my reasoning always boils down to the fact that I can't find any vegan friendly jobs. It pisses me off, if I'm going be to wasting my life away earning money, I don't want to be going against my beliefs as well, that would just be the pits. I applied at the local wholefood store but they're already full of people. Jules ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Move to Brighton....it's perfect place for drop out creative leftie culture Doc , " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote: > I've worked in a supermarket stacking dairy made cakes, I've been a > waiter in a meat and dairy caf, I've worked in a kitchen and have > had to wash up meat and dairy dishes. My mum's pushing me to find a > job but my reasoning always boils down to the fact that I can't find > any vegan friendly jobs. It pisses me off, if I'm going be to > wasting my life away earning money, I don't want to be going against > my beliefs as well, that would just be the pits. I applied at the > local wholefood store but they're already full of people. > > Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Why should dropout creatives be restricted to brighton , " pctalking " <pctalking@h...> wrote: > Move to Brighton....it's perfect place for drop out creative leftie > culture > > Doc > > , " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote: > > I've worked in a supermarket stacking dairy made cakes, I've been > a > > waiter in a meat and dairy caf, I've worked in a kitchen and have > > had to wash up meat and dairy dishes. My mum's pushing me to find > a > > job but my reasoning always boils down to the fact that I can't > find > > any vegan friendly jobs. It pisses me off, if I'm going be to > > wasting my life away earning money, I don't want to be going > against > > my beliefs as well, that would just be the pits. I applied at the > > local wholefood store but they're already full of people. > > > > Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > That's a shame there was no job available in the wholefood shop, was that > Canterbury Wholefoods? > > Maybe you could look for work that does not involve anything to do with > food? > Funny you mention jobs, I've been browsing here just now actually, thinking > a lot about starting a course for a career (lack of childcare is the only > thing holding me back) and there seem to be lots of jobs not involving any > animal abuse component. > > http://www.learndirect-futures.co.uk/job_profiles/jf_frameset.htm > > The other option is if you are a waiter in a omni caf, then your veganism > can be of some influence, getting the caf to be aware of vegans (and dairy > allergic people) and to provide some vegan choices and soya milk for teas, > etc. > Be creative and make the best of a situation where you have to compromise. > > What are your plans when you have finished your studies? I don't have any. I want to do a degree, but a measured amount of thinking has made the choice more difficult. Most people I grew up at schools with went to university for the sake of it: many went just for the sake of it because everyone else was, and often they weren't studying anything they were interested in. I'm fluent in french because of my parents, and everyone suggested to me to go and study a french degree!I couldn't believe it! I don't need to study it, I've already got degree standard language, and am not very interested in the literature, but the response of most people when I said I didn't know what to study at uni was that I should just study it because I'm good at it, because then i would easily get a first without doing any work ie they were implying that the whole reason of me ever having learnt anthing would amount to getting a piece of paper which would enable me to get an office job in a skyscraper. > > And why the hell am I so good at suggesting creative solutions for everyone > else but not able to find any for myself? I don't know if your suggestions are good but they certainly are encouraging. > The other option is if you are a waiter in a omni caf, then your veganism > can be of some influence, getting the caf to be aware of vegans (and dairy > allergic people) and to provide some vegan choices and soya milk for teas, > etc. > Be creative and make the best of a situation where you have to compromise. Well I've always had the dilemma of whether I would rather promote veganism and independant thinking in non-vegan, clone environments, or try and live the kind of life I would if it were not a restrictive world full of people who would eat my own flesh without thinking about it if it were cooked and made to look pretty, and called something other than dead animal. Jules > > Lesley > > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > 30 April 2002 13:11 > > Vegan Jobs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 I would love to move there too despite the fact that you are there, but would Brighton be big enough for the both of us? Lesley pctalking [pctalking] 30 April 2002 15:30 Re: Vegan Jobs Move to Brighton....it's perfect place for drop out creative leftie culture Doc , " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote: > I've worked in a supermarket stacking dairy made cakes, I've been a > waiter in a meat and dairy caf, I've worked in a kitchen and have > had to wash up meat and dairy dishes. My mum's pushing me to find a > job but my reasoning always boils down to the fact that I can't find > any vegan friendly jobs. It pisses me off, if I'm going be to > wasting my life away earning money, I don't want to be going against > my beliefs as well, that would just be the pits. I applied at the > local wholefood store but they're already full of people. > > Jules ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 become a beetroot farmer... ? > > djules_75 [djules_75] > > I've worked in a supermarket stacking dairy made cakes, I've been a > waiter in a meat and dairy caf, I've worked in a kitchen and have > had to wash up meat and dairy dishes. My mum's pushing me to find a > job but my reasoning always boils down to the fact that I can't find > any vegan friendly jobs. It pisses me off, if I'm going be to > wasting my life away earning money, I don't want to be going against > my beliefs as well, that would just be the pits. I applied at the > local wholefood store but they're already full of people. > > Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 if you don't know what you want to do at university then don't go... there's no point rushing into a decision that's gonna get you into serious debt ... probably you'll find it wasn't the right choice (years afterwards) ... and regret it ... and in all that time you'd have wasted the resources that other students could take up... go travelling ... do a kibbutz in Israel... smuggle arms into the Congo ... take a long hike in the Afghanistan mountains... otherwise do something like Ecological Sciences... (Sheffield has a good course... apparently)... at least then it's something that is a pretty green... > > djules_75 [djules_75] > Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:05 PM > > Re: Vegan Jobs > > > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > > That's a shame there was no job available in the wholefood shop, > was that > > Canterbury Wholefoods? > > > > Maybe you could look for work that does not involve anything to do > with > > food? > > Funny you mention jobs, I've been browsing here just now actually, > thinking > > a lot about starting a course for a career (lack of childcare is > the only > > thing holding me back) and there seem to be lots of jobs not > involving any > > animal abuse component. > > > > http://www.learndirect-futures.co.uk/job_profiles/jf_frameset.htm > > > > The other option is if you are a waiter in a omni caf, then your > veganism > > can be of some influence, getting the caf to be aware of vegans > (and dairy > > allergic people) and to provide some vegan choices and soya milk > for teas, > > etc. > > Be creative and make the best of a situation where you have to > compromise. > > > > What are your plans when you have finished your studies? > > I don't have any. I want to do a degree, but a measured amount of > thinking has made the choice more difficult. Most people I grew up at > schools with went to university for the sake of it: many went just > for the sake of it because everyone else was, and often they weren't > studying anything they were interested in. > > I'm fluent in french because of my parents, and everyone suggested to > me to go and study a french degree!I couldn't believe it! I don't > need to study it, I've already got degree standard language, and am > not very interested in the literature, but the response of most > people when I said I didn't know what to study at uni was that I > should just study it because I'm good at it, because then i would > easily get a first without doing any work ie they were implying that > the whole reason of me ever having learnt anthing would amount to > getting a piece of paper which would enable me to get an office job > in a skyscraper. > > > > And why the hell am I so good at suggesting creative solutions for > everyone > > else but not able to find any for myself? > > I don't know if your suggestions are good but they certainly are > encouraging. > > > The other option is if you are a waiter in a omni caf, then your > veganism > > can be of some influence, getting the caf to be aware of vegans > (and dairy > > allergic people) and to provide some vegan choices and soya milk > for teas, > > etc. > > Be creative and make the best of a situation where you have to > compromise. > > Well I've always had the dilemma of whether I would rather promote > veganism and independant thinking in non-vegan, clone environments, > or try and live the kind of life I would if it were not a restrictive > world full of people who would eat my own flesh without thinking > about it if it were cooked and made to look pretty, and called > something other than dead animal. > > Jules > > > > Lesley > > > > > > > > djules_75 [djules_75] > > 30 April 2002 13:11 > > > > Vegan Jobs > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 They shouldn't, I'm just saying that it seems to work very well down here. Doc , " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote: > Why should dropout creatives be restricted to brighton > > , " pctalking " <pctalking@h...> wrote: > > Move to Brighton....it's perfect place for drop out creative leftie > > culture > > > > Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 I'm not sure, you are pretty big aren't you? Doc x , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > I would love to move there too despite the fact that you are there, but > would Brighton be big enough for the both of us? > > Lesley > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > 30 April 2002 15:30 > > Re: Vegan Jobs > > > Move to Brighton....it's perfect place for drop out creative leftie > culture > > Doc > > , " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote: > > I've worked in a supermarket stacking dairy made cakes, I've been > a > > waiter in a meat and dairy caf, I've worked in a kitchen and have > > had to wash up meat and dairy dishes. My mum's pushing me to find > a > > job but my reasoning always boils down to the fact that I can't > find > > any vegan friendly jobs. It pisses me off, if I'm going be to > > wasting my life away earning money, I don't want to be going > against > > my beliefs as well, that would just be the pits. I applied at the > > local wholefood store but they're already full of people. > > > > Jules > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 About 10 stone these days and 5 foot 1/2 inch tall, about 1 1/2 stone above my ideal weight. But how big is MrsBig now (she who went up to 19 stone in one of her pregnancies)? I bet she is still bigger than me, or is she still using the smoking as an appetite suppressant? Lesley pctalking [pctalking] 30 April 2002 22:54 Re: Vegan Jobs I'm not sure, you are pretty big aren't you? Doc x , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > I would love to move there too despite the fact that you are there, but > would Brighton be big enough for the both of us? > > Lesley > > > pctalking [pctalking@h...] > 30 April 2002 15:30 > > Re: Vegan Jobs > > > Move to Brighton....it's perfect place for drop out creative leftie > culture > > Doc > > , " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote: > > I've worked in a supermarket stacking dairy made cakes, I've been > a > > waiter in a meat and dairy caf, I've worked in a kitchen and have > > had to wash up meat and dairy dishes. My mum's pushing me to find > a > > job but my reasoning always boils down to the fact that I can't > find > > any vegan friendly jobs. It pisses me off, if I'm going be to > > wasting my life away earning money, I don't want to be going > against > > my beliefs as well, that would just be the pits. I applied at the > > local wholefood store but they're already full of people. > > > > Jules > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 She's 35 stone, and really spotty, and MrBig tells me if she doesn't sort herself out, he's thinking of running off with some giddy little tart that works down in McDonalds. What a shallow bastard eh? Doc p.s. How do you work out your ideal weight? , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > About 10 stone these days and 5 foot 1/2 inch tall, about 1 1/2 stone above > my ideal weight. > But how big is MrsBig now (she who went up to 19 stone in one of her > pregnancies)? > I bet she is still bigger than me, or is she still using the smoking as an > appetite suppressant? > > Lesley > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Weight Watchers do it by calculating Body Mass Index (BMI). This is done by taking your height and weight and doing some calculation with it, not sure how to do it, but here is a place that does it for you. http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm I'm overweight though not obese, how about everyone else? Come on don't be shy, I admit mine is around 27, so I want to lose a stone or preferably a bit more to get to where I want to be, somewhere under 25. Lesley pctalking [pctalking] 30 April 2002 23:07 Re: Vegan Jobs She's 35 stone, and really spotty, and MrBig tells me if she doesn't sort herself out, he's thinking of running off with some giddy little tart that works down in McDonalds. What a shallow bastard eh? Doc p.s. How do you work out your ideal weight? , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > About 10 stone these days and 5 foot 1/2 inch tall, about 1 1/2 stone above > my ideal weight. > But how big is MrsBig now (she who went up to 19 stone in one of her > pregnancies)? > I bet she is still bigger than me, or is she still using the smoking as an > appetite suppressant? > > Lesley > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 On Tue Apr 30, 2002, Lesley Dove wrote: > > Weight Watchers do it by calculating Body Mass Index (BMI). > This is done by taking your height and weight and doing some calculation > with it, not sure how to do it, but here is a place that does it for you. > > http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm > > I'm overweight though not obese, how about everyone else? > Come on don't be shy, I admit mine is around 27, so I want to lose a stone > or preferably a bit more to get to where I want to be, somewhere under 25. You can calculate your BMI by dividing your weight in kilogrammes by the square of your height in metres. Mine is 19 at the moment. " BMI calculations, however, are not recommended for people with high muscle mass, the elderly, or children or women who are pregnant and lactating. Some research has also shown that ethnic origin may impact the effectiveness of standard BMI measurement. " - random website Joel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 23.8, but I'd still like to lose some. xxk@xx Lesley Dove [Lesley] 30 April 2002 23:24 RE: Re: Vegan Jobs Weight Watchers do it by calculating Body Mass Index (BMI). This is done by taking your height and weight and doing some calculation with it, not sure how to do it, but here is a place that does it for you. http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm I'm overweight though not obese, how about everyone else? Come on don't be shy, I admit mine is around 27, so I want to lose a stone or preferably a bit more to get to where I want to be, somewhere under 25. Lesley Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Oh no, if you think you are in need of losing weight, with a BMI of 23.8 you might be in danger of becoming anorexic! You almost certainly have no need to lose weight, why do you want to lose any since you are a healthy weight fro your height? And I remember seeing your photo, you look fine! Of course it is up to you, but I would be happy with my size and looks if I looked like you. I look a lot better, less frumpy than I do when I am fat, if I get to around 8 1/2 stone, it even makes me look younger, but mainly I want to cut my risk of diabetes as both my parents are diabetic and if I am overweight I am at more risk than if I am a healthy weight. Better for my chest trouble too if I am not overweight. Anorexics think they are fat when they are the right weight or even when they are very thin. They do not see themselves accurately, but I'm sure you look fine. I would be in no danger as I wouldn't try to get mine very much below 25. I'm happy to get to even the higher end of the healthy weight range for my height, about 9 stone will do. Lesley k@ [kittyveg] 01 May 2002 09:53 RE: Re: Vegan Jobs 23.8, but I'd still like to lose some. xxk@xx Lesley Dove [Lesley] 30 April 2002 23:24 RE: Re: Vegan Jobs Weight Watchers do it by calculating Body Mass Index (BMI). This is done by taking your height and weight and doing some calculation with it, not sure how to do it, but here is a place that does it for you. http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm I'm overweight though not obese, how about everyone else? Come on don't be shy, I admit mine is around 27, so I want to lose a stone or preferably a bit more to get to where I want to be, somewhere under 25. Lesley Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Thanks, Lesley... I am in NO danger of anorexia, to be sure, but I will consider what you've said and try to be content with my body as it is. Cheers, xxk@xx Lesley Dove [Lesley] 01 May 2002 10:55 RE: Re: Vegan Jobs Oh no, if you think you are in need of losing weight, with a BMI of 23.8 you might be in danger of becoming anorexic! You almost certainly have no need to lose weight, why do you want to lose any since you are a healthy weight fro your height? And I remember seeing your photo, you look fine! Of course it is up to you, but I would be happy with my size and looks if I looked like you. I look a lot better, less frumpy than I do when I am fat, if I get to around 8 1/2 stone, it even makes me look younger, but mainly I want to cut my risk of diabetes as both my parents are diabetic and if I am overweight I am at more risk than if I am a healthy weight. Better for my chest trouble too if I am not overweight. Anorexics think they are fat when they are the right weight or even when they are very thin. They do not see themselves accurately, but I'm sure you look fine. I would be in no danger as I wouldn't try to get mine very much below 25. I'm happy to get to even the higher end of the healthy weight range for my height, about 9 stone will do. Lesley k@ [kittyveg] 01 May 2002 09:53 RE: Re: Vegan Jobs 23.8, but I'd still like to lose some. xxk@xx Lesley Dove [Lesley] 30 April 2002 23:24 RE: Re: Vegan Jobs Weight Watchers do it by calculating Body Mass Index (BMI). This is done by taking your height and weight and doing some calculation with it, not sure how to do it, but here is a place that does it for you. http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm I'm overweight though not obese, how about everyone else? Come on don't be shy, I admit mine is around 27, so I want to lose a stone or preferably a bit more to get to where I want to be, somewhere under 25. Lesley Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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