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>Do they exist?

 

absolutely! I've seen mention of members of the NF

turning up at AR demos etc. I think it is some kind

of subtle recruitment drive. witness also panning of

eastern cultures/faiths for their treatment of

animals.

 

and in a way I see some parallels between the mindsets

of extreme vegans ('segregationists'?) and righties.

 

 

 

 

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hmm... no amount of maths will help you if your logic is crap...

 

(i have 'O', 'AO', 'A' and Pure Maths 'A' levels... if you need to know)

 

ok... i assume then that you don't mean either because you don't know the

difference...

 

a vegan who is right wing politically ... (emphatically speaking) is more

likely to be a vegan Le Pen than a vegan Trotsky... he would support the

deportation of immigrants... and other right wing issues...

 

a 'right-wing vegan' of 'right-wing veganism' ... is kind of a misnomer i

threw in for the sake of it... i've no idea what it means...

 

 

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> djules_75 [djules_75]

> Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:58 PM

>

> Re: Right wing vegans

>

>

> , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote:

> > do you mean people who practice a form of 'right-wing veganism' ...

> or

> > vegans who are politically right wing?

> >

> > probably a lot more of the former than the latter...

>

> Surely 'right-wing veganism' = vegans who are politically right wing?

>

> I am assuming you have primary school maths to understand this one.

>

> Jules

>

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > djules_75 [djules_75]

> > > Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:06 PM

> > >

> > > Right wing vegans

> > >

> > >

> > > Do they exist?

> > >

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Well I'm somewhat a vegan segregationist, I'd love a big vegan community of

our own in the UK, but I have absolutely no sympathies with the NF and

racism, so I disagree that there is any relation between the two. Racists

judge on the way people look, or where they come from, which is just

pathetic and stupid, but " extreme vegans " judge on a person's compassion and

behaviour towards other life-forms, it's totally different.

 

I believe that eastern faiths such as hinduism and jainism help the spread

of vegetarianism in the UK, there are so many great Indian veggie places at

least in the London area. We would be worse off without Indian veggie

culture here, I do find it regretful that we in Britain have such little

longstanding vegan traditional food of our own and we should value the

Indian (and other ethnic) influence.

 

I've also heard this rumour of the NF turning up at AR demos, but I wonder

if it's just that, simply a rumour. I've never seen such people when I used

to go on AR events regularly.

 

I find it insulting that vegans who want a vegan separate society, because

we find it hard to live among uncompassionate animal abusers, are comparable

in your eyes to racists.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

Ashley Hooper [ash_hooper]

30 April 2002 18:36

 

Right wing vegans

 

 

>Do they exist?

 

absolutely! I've seen mention of members of the NF

turning up at AR demos etc. I think it is some kind

of subtle recruitment drive. witness also panning of

eastern cultures/faiths for their treatment of

animals.

 

and in a way I see some parallels between the mindsets

of extreme vegans ('segregationists'?) and righties.

 

 

 

 

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i have been acused of being a vegan fascist in the past, simply because itell people why i think, no, why i know, they should be vegan. in some peoples eyes, that is "fascism". Don't ask me, Mavreela asked if I was a while ago, I've always assumed it just meant pro-capitalist nine to five loving money crazy, its probably a bit more complicated than that. I'm pretty much anti-wing myself.Jules> > Lesley> > > > djules_75 [djules_75]> 30 April 2002 13:06> > Right wing vegans> > > Do they exist?> > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author,> there may be another side to the story you have not heard.> ---------------------------> Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>> Un: send a blank message to -> >

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..what? and in a way I see some parallels between the mindsetsof extreme vegans ('segregationists'?) and righties. Health - your guide to health and wellnesshttp://health.~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -

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, " k@ " <kittyveg@b...> wrote:

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> i have been acused of being a vegan fascist in the past, simply

because

> itell people why i think, no, why i know, they should be vegan. in

some

> peoples eyes, that is " fascism " .

 

Well some of views of Hardline, with which Statement were an

associated band, wern't exactly veering in the direction of

liberalism were they Rat??? (eg, 'execution' of non-vegans, non

tolerance of 'deviation from nature' such as drinking alcohol,

homosexuality and 'casual sex')- I know you said much of it was

meant to be tongue in cheek but how were we supposed to know????

 

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.. i guess some people may not have known, tho it seems pretty unlikely any of the people agreeing with those phylosophies would kill their non-vegan families. i think people will always try to see something which is not really there. sean, of vegan reich, was actually of actually being racist! quite funny really, seeing as he always used to get hassles at the border patrol in so. cal as they thought he was mexican. he was, and is, far from being racist.

.. i was accused of being fascist by people who did not know about hardline. Well some of views of Hardline, with which Statement were an associated band, wern't exactly veering in the direction of liberalism were they Rat??? (eg, 'execution' of non-vegans, non tolerance of 'deviation from nature' such as drinking alcohol, homosexuality and 'casual sex')- I know you said much of it was meant to be tongue in cheek but how were we supposed to know????Cheers Graham

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So why does it never happen the other way round? Anarchists, the

complete opposites of fascists (yet perhaps similar in political

attitude), never overthrow governments. I suppose this is cos

anarchists are never in pursuit of power?

 

, " slg edith " <slgedith@h...> wrote:

> A right-wing *revolution* is possible in defence of the

established order in

> society -- fascists can overthrow Governments and Constitutions in

order to

> crush the people under capitalist society which is exactly what

Mussolini,

> Hitler, Franco and Pinochet did! French society is in fact very

racist

> against North African immigrants and Le Pen can truthfully say

that Bliar is

> a racist too! When the *left* fails, people are deceived by

fascist

> demagogy, innocent minorities are scapegoated and history may be

turned back

> to darker times...It really isn't so difficult to figure out!

>

>

> > " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...>

> >

> >

> >RE: Right wing vegans

> >Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:20:09 +0100

> >

> >

> >Le Pen is hardly defending the established order in society! The

> >established

> >order in France and most of the European community as I

understnad it is to

> >be multicultural and not racist.

> >I can't stand Le Pen and what he stands for, but can you see now

that

> >right-wing and left-wing are very hard to define, even for

someone like

> >yourself who is quite politically knowledgeable? I would not even

know

> >where

> >to start with defining it, so thanks for being braver than me in

trying!

> >I'm

> >just not convinced of this definition.

> >I do think you are spot on about Bliar defending the established

order,

> >possibly Widdecombe too although she is certainly against hunting.

> >Also you think me to be right-wing on abortion don't you, and yet

the

> >established order is to allow it, so how does that fit in with

your

> >definition?

> >

> >Lesley

> >

> >

> >

> >slg edith [slgedith@h...]

> >30 April 2002 15:10

> >

> >RE: Right wing vegans

> >

> >

> > " Politics is quite complex, so maybe someone could define right-

wing for

> >us "

> >

> >Defence of established order in society, back-wards looking,

reactionary.

> >Think Tony Bliar, Anne Widdescumbag, Le Pen.

> >

> >Hope that helps

> >

> >Edith

> >

> >

> >

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, Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote:

> a vegan who is right wing politically ... (emphatically speaking)

is more

> likely to be a vegan Le Pen than a vegan Trotsky... he would

support the

> deportation of immigrants... and other right wing issues...

>

> a 'right-wing vegan' of 'right-wing veganism' ... is kind of a

misnomer i

> threw in for the sake of it... i've no idea what it means...

 

Exactly! I have no qualifications in Linguistics, but I'm sure that

a lot of language is mathematically based. You've no idea what it

means because it is the same as someone who is right wing

politically. You're just using words to describe a concept and using

different ways of expressing it, hence

 

right-wing veganism = vegans who are politically right wing

 

is topologically similar to

 

x(3 + 4y) = 3x + 4xy

 

This would imply that

 

a vegan Le Pen = a vegan Trotsky

 

Le Pen's not vegan though, so I'll use Hitler cos he was veggie.

 

Hitler = Trotsky

 

Whoops its raining.

 

Good thing not everything is black on white ey? I reckon if Edith's

read War and Peace she should read Mein Kampf as well, just to get

the full picture. Only saying this cus I can't be bothered to read

either of them.

 

Jules

 

 

 

>

>

> >

> > djules_75 [djules_75]

> > Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:58 PM

> >

> > Re: Right wing vegans

> >

> >

> > , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote:

> > > do you mean people who practice a form of 'right-wing

veganism' ...

> > or

> > > vegans who are politically right wing?

> > >

> > > probably a lot more of the former than the latter...

> >

> > Surely 'right-wing veganism' = vegans who are politically right

wing?

> >

> > I am assuming you have primary school maths to understand this

one.

> >

> > Jules

> >

> > >

> > >

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I remember getting some Hardline bumf once but did not join them myself because although I am like them both vegan and against abortion, and am always happy to find others who take the same line as I do on saving innocent life, there were the homophobic elements within Hardline that I definitely could not agree with. I didn't notice anything racist about them, but there was definitely homophobia.

I'm also not completely teetotal and drink drinks containing caffeine too so I was not purist enough for them. I never was a casual sex person though.

I never really believed they were for killing animal-eaters though.

 

Lesley

 

 

k@ [kittyveg]30 April 2002 22:21 Subject: RE: Re: Right wing vegans

 

 

.. i guess some people may not have known, tho it seems pretty unlikely any of the people agreeing with those phylosophies would kill their non-vegan families. i think people will always try to see something which is not really there. sean, of vegan reich, was actually of actually being racist! quite funny really, seeing as he always used to get hassles at the border patrol in so. cal as they thought he was mexican. he was, and is, far from being racist.

.. i was accused of being fascist by people who did not know about hardline. Well some of views of Hardline, with which Statement were an associated band, wern't exactly veering in the direction of liberalism were they Rat??? (eg, 'execution' of non-vegans, non tolerance of 'deviation from nature' such as drinking alcohol, homosexuality and 'casual sex')- I know you said much of it was meant to be tongue in cheek but how were we supposed to know????Cheers Graham

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i had an idea that British food could in the future be clean food...

specifically GM free, vegan cookery... we could possibly allow vegetarian

food as Indians allow some Persian dishes... or French food allows some

Spanish ... etc... but mainly vegan ... then we could open British

Restaurants in foreign countries... and sell GM free vegan food...

 

i prefered that idea over the traditional British fare... beer and dead

Pheasant...

 

>

> Lesley Dove [Lesley]

> Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:32 PM

>

> RE: Right wing vegans

>

>

>

> Well I'm somewhat a vegan segregationist, I'd love a big

> vegan community of

> our own in the UK, but I have absolutely no sympathies with the NF and

> racism, so I disagree that there is any relation between the

> two. Racists

> judge on the way people look, or where they come from, which is just

> pathetic and stupid, but " extreme vegans " judge on a person's

> compassion and

> behaviour towards other life-forms, it's totally different.

>

> I believe that eastern faiths such as hinduism and jainism

> help the spread

> of vegetarianism in the UK, there are so many great Indian

> veggie places at

> least in the London area. We would be worse off without Indian veggie

> culture here, I do find it regretful that we in Britain have

> such little

> longstanding vegan traditional food of our own and we should value the

> Indian (and other ethnic) influence.

>

> I've also heard this rumour of the NF turning up at AR demos,

> but I wonder

> if it's just that, simply a rumour. I've never seen such

> people when I used

> to go on AR events regularly.

>

> I find it insulting that vegans who want a vegan separate

> society, because

> we find it hard to live among uncompassionate animal abusers,

> are comparable

> in your eyes to racists.

>

> Lesley

>

>

>

> Ashley Hooper [ash_hooper]

> 30 April 2002 18:36

>

> Right wing vegans

>

>

> >Do they exist?

>

> absolutely! I've seen mention of members of the NF

> turning up at AR demos etc. I think it is some kind

> of subtle recruitment drive. witness also panning of

> eastern cultures/faiths for their treatment of

> animals.

>

> and in a way I see some parallels between the mindsets

> of extreme vegans ('segregationists'?) and righties.

>

>

>

>

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> Exactly! I have no qualifications in Linguistics, but I'm sure that

> a lot of language is mathematically based. You've no idea what it

> means because it is the same as someone who is right wing

> politically. You're just using words to describe a concept and using

> different ways of expressing it, hence

 

no i really meant a vegan who pushes their views on everyone else...

therefore not the same thing at all ... i just don't know if one could call

it right-wing veganism...

 

> right-wing veganism = vegans who are politically right wing

 

no... the adjective right-wing describes the veganism ... not the vegan's

political viewpoint...

 

> is topologically similar to

>

> x(3 + 4y) = 3x + 4xy

 

therefore no...

 

> This would imply that

>

> a vegan Le Pen = a vegan Trotsky

 

i think your maths is good ... but your logic has made a terrible leap for

the worse... unless you think that Trotsky is right-wing?

 

> Le Pen's not vegan though, so I'll use Hitler cos he was veggie.

 

it's only an example...

 

> Hitler = Trotsky

 

bad logic --> bad result...

 

> Good thing not everything is black on white ey? I reckon if Edith's

> read War and Peace she should read Mein Kampf as well, just to get

> the full picture. Only saying this cus I can't be bothered to read

> either of them.

>

> Jules

 

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Yeah my logic was completely gone, I was tired. When I'm tired I

couldn't care if it were Chomsky doing an anarchist speech or Hitler

waving his wands at a nazi audience, I just want them to shut up.

I'm not tired now, and agree with you.

 

, Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote:

> > Exactly! I have no qualifications in Linguistics, but I'm sure

that

> > a lot of language is mathematically based. You've no idea what

it

> > means because it is the same as someone who is right wing

> > politically. You're just using words to describe a concept and

using

> > different ways of expressing it, hence

>

> no i really meant a vegan who pushes their views on everyone

else...

> therefore not the same thing at all ... i just don't know if one

could call

> it right-wing veganism...

>

> > right-wing veganism = vegans who are politically right wing

>

> no... the adjective right-wing describes the veganism ... not the

vegan's

> political viewpoint...

>

> > is topologically similar to

> >

> > x(3 + 4y) = 3x + 4xy

>

> therefore no...

>

> > This would imply that

> >

> > a vegan Le Pen = a vegan Trotsky

>

> i think your maths is good ... but your logic has made a terrible

leap for

> the worse... unless you think that Trotsky is right-wing?

>

> > Le Pen's not vegan though, so I'll use Hitler cos he was veggie.

>

> it's only an example...

>

> > Hitler = Trotsky

>

> bad logic --> bad result...

>

> > Good thing not everything is black on white ey? I reckon if

Edith's

> > read War and Peace she should read Mein Kampf as well, just to

get

> > the full picture. Only saying this cus I can't be bothered to

read

> > either of them.

> >

> > Jules

>

> no everything is energy... and dimension...

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