Good grief! + rant at Edith + another rant at the world and myself

May 2, 2002

I don't know. Moderate me.

A black friend of mine at college came and asked me whether i knew

any good revision sites because we've got exams coming up. I was

reading the Nazi debate, and was in the process of writing something

myself concerning it. He came and sat next to me to ask me for this

advice and the words NAZI in capital letters were strewn across the

screen. I didn't try to hide it, but didn't explain either, cause i

didn't know whether he'd read what was on the screen. He said

nothing about it, but I've got the sneaking suspicion that I went

red and looked guilty. SO now what the fuck am I going to do? Should

I explain to him whats going on on this list, and prove to him that

vegans are all a bunch of extremely extremist argumentors or leave

it and possibly let him think that I'm a fascist in disguise?

" He who fights with monsters should see to it that he does not

become one himself " (Frederich Nietzche)

" We Threw Gasoline On the Fire and Now We Have Stumps For Arms and

No Eyebrows " (NOFX)

Nazis, fascism and nazism are controversial subjects, and yeah its

fine to write in swearing capitals on the internet with them, but

for fucks sake Edith I want to see you having this kind of argument

with black people around. Its fucking pathetic, and to me it looks

like you're doing it for fun, just by reading the number of times

you've written 'they want to turn me into glue'. If fascists get

into power, they'll turn black people into glue first and stick you

in a hanging cage and listen to you scream at them for

entertainment. Pardon my cynicism. You make me glad that we live in

a democracy, you make me glad that we have a Monarchy because that

is what prevents fascism getting into power in this country,

apparantly. I disagree with monarchies AND democracies though, and

hence you.

I would/will find it rather difficult to face Temitayo and speak

about Nazis, especially when he gets on fine with more superficial

meat-eating white, brown and black people who aren't into

anarchist " we've got opinions so we reckon we can fantasise about

what we'd do if we were in power and have stupid arguments about

it " . I must look like I'm totally off the planet, because I have

opinions myself and ideologies, and the general consensus among

everyone I encounter seems to be 'life's a joke, we are just pawns

in a game, why bother care about anything', and there's fuck all I

can do about it because " I'm alone and an easy target " (Foo

Fighters). I'm just fucking up big time.

I know the arguments are about potential real-life situations

involving AR groups, but if they're arguing seriously, why bother

with all the swearing and name calling, its just confirms that the

whole things got ulterior purposes other than actually trying to

decide anything.

Fuctoff Jules

, Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote:

>

> >...laughing at the

> >insensibility of Ediths over-excited posts, and learning from her

how

> >to distort reality and make relatively sane people look like

> >monsters...

>

> Jules, please tell me why you should not be moderated for that.

>

> To help you consider the following extract from list rule #1:

>

> >This does not mean other members cannot question any view that

has been

> >expressed, nor should you expect your own view not to become the

subject

> >of debate, but that members should not be attacked personally for

the view

> >they hold, and only their reasoning should be open to criticism.

>

> Maybe I'm just missing something, the rule isn't clear enough,

people seem

> so intent on flagrantly ignoring the rules that maybe there

things aren't

> clear enough somewhere, and I don't want to moderate people over a

> misunderstanding.

>

> Michael

May 2, 2002

..i think, if i were you, i would explain what you were writing about. I don't know. Moderate me. A black friend of mine at college came and asked me whether i knew any good revision sites because we've got exams coming up. I was reading the Nazi debate, and was in the process of writing something myself concerning it. He came and sat next to me to ask me for this advice and the words NAZI in capital letters were strewn across the screen. I didn't try to hide it, but didn't explain either, cause i didn't know whether he'd read what was on the screen. He said nothing about it, but I've got the sneaking suspicion that I went red and looked guilty. SO now what the fuck am I going to do? Should I explain to him whats going on on this list, and prove to him that vegans are all a bunch of extremely extremist argumentors or leave it and possibly let him think that I'm a fascist in disguise? "He who fights with monsters should see to it that he does not become one himself" (Frederich Nietzche)"We Threw Gasoline On the Fire and Now We Have Stumps For Arms and No Eyebrows" (NOFX)Nazis, fascism and nazism are controversial subjects, and yeah its fine to write in swearing capitals on the internet with them, but for fucks sake Edith I want to see you having this kind of argument with black people around. Its fucking pathetic, and to me it looks like you're doing it for fun, just by reading the number of times you've written 'they want to turn me into glue'. If fascists get into power, they'll turn black people into glue first and stick you in a hanging cage and listen to you scream at them for entertainment. Pardon my cynicism. You make me glad that we live in a democracy, you make me glad that we have a Monarchy because that is what prevents fascism getting into power in this country, apparantly. I disagree with monarchies AND democracies though, and hence you.I would/will find it rather difficult to face Temitayo and speak about Nazis, especially when he gets on fine with more superficial meat-eating white, brown and black people who aren't into anarchist "we've got opinions so we reckon we can fantasise about what we'd do if we were in power and have stupid arguments about it". I must look like I'm totally off the planet, because I have opinions myself and ideologies, and the general consensus among everyone I encounter seems to be 'life's a joke, we are just pawns in a game, why bother care about anything', and there's fuck all I can do about it because "I'm alone and an easy target" (Foo Fighters). I'm just fucking up big time. I know the arguments are about potential real-life situations involving AR groups, but if they're arguing seriously, why bother with all the swearing and name calling, its just confirms that the whole things got ulterior purposes other than actually trying to decide anything. Fuctoff Jules, Mavreela <nec.lists@m...> wrote:> > >...laughing at the> >insensibility of Ediths over-excited posts, and learning from her how> >to distort reality and make relatively sane people look like> >monsters...> > Jules, please tell me why you should not be moderated for that.> > To help you consider the following extract from list rule #1:> > >This does not mean other members cannot question any view that has been > >expressed, nor should you expect your own view not to become the subject > >of debate, but that members should not be attacked personally for the view > >they hold, and only their reasoning should be open to criticism.> > Maybe I'm just missing something, the rule isn't clear enough, people seem > so intent on flagrantly ignoring the rules that maybe there things aren't > clear enough somewhere, and I don't want to moderate people over a > misunderstanding.> > Michael~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -