Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 I think I'll have to make an appearance! It will be very nice not to feel the odd one out & meet loads of vegans! I'll definitely bring lots of money - I have to when I go to Holland & Barratt as I could buy so much there. I can't imagine what I'll be like when it's ALL vegan!! , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote: I'll probably be going . veggies from Nottm usually does some of the catering at these events and I usually help (went last year ) . It will be a good place to meet loads of vegans and to feel normal , not the odd one out !!! Take lots of money !!! Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:04:00 -0000, " veganvicky " <veganvicky wrote: >I think I'll have to make an appearance! It will be very nice not to >feel the odd one out & meet loads of vegans! I'll definitely bring >lots of money - I have to when I go to Holland & Barratt as I could >buy so much there. I can't imagine what I'll be like when it's ALL >vegan!! Could I ask anyone who knows why a supposedly national event is being held in London rather than somewhere central? Far too many " national " events are held in a place that is awkward to get to for most of the population! Chris W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 Well, firstly this year's event is not called the *National* Vegan Festival - its " The Vegan Festival " (I know the website is out of date!). Why London? Well it is our capital city - you have to admit there are pretty good transport links to London. Some people come from overseas to the festival, so if they can make it... Also the people who organise the event live there - in case you didn't know the whole festival is organised by two individuals, and for the very first event they had to beg and borrow money from people to get it going (in fact they probably still do). If there is a demand for another festival in another part of the country, there is nothing stopping anyone else doing the same. Cheers, Rob , Chris W <chrisw@g...> wrote: > On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:04:00 -0000, " veganvicky " > <veganvicky> wrote: > > >I think I'll have to make an appearance! It will be very nice not to > >feel the odd one out & meet loads of vegans! I'll definitely bring > >lots of money - I have to when I go to Holland & Barratt as I could > >buy so much there. I can't imagine what I'll be like when it's ALL > >vegan!! > > Could I ask anyone who knows why a supposedly national event is being > held in London rather than somewhere central? Far too many " national " > events are held in a place that is awkward to get to for most of the > population! > > Chris W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:13:55 -0000, " spacevegan " <rob wrote: >Well, firstly this year's event is not called the *National* Vegan >Festival - its " The Vegan Festival " (I know the website is out of >date!). Sorry, I was assuming that the original header in this thread was correct. >Why London? Well it is our capital city Indeed. That seems to be enough to justify almost anything, to people in the south-east at least. So many things have been justified solely on that basis, rather than what's fair, sensible and/or financially justifiable, in recent years! >you have to admit there are pretty good transport links to London. Yep it's dead easy and quick to get to London from Manchester, Newcastle, Scotland etc. - if you've got the money to afford to fly that is! >Some people come from overseas to the festival, so if they can make it... So it doesn't matter what's fairest for people living across the UK then when it comes to " national " events? >Also the people who organise the event live there Why not call it the " London Vegan Festival " then?! Apologies if you think I'm being overly cynical and unfair, but holding national events in London (accepting what you're saying that the vegan festival isn't being actually being billed as a naional event) with no reasonable justification for doing so whatsoever is a major bugbear of mine. I for one feel increasingly narked at the blatant bias shown towards London when it comes to projects that are meant to be of national relevance (e.g. the Wembley rebuild fiasco). Local newspaper articles and letters up here in the Midlands show that I'm not alone in my views and I'm sure it's the same in other parts of the country apart from the south-east. Anyway, enough of this rant - I'm obviously in a bad mood this morning! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 >Why London? Well it is our capital city... Tell that to people in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. >You have to admit there are >pretty good transport links to London. There are also very good transport links to Birmingham. > Some people come from overseas >to the festival, so if they can make it... To be honest if it weren't for that quote I wouldn't have replied. It smacks of complete arrogance to me. To put it in context though, I recently flew from Brussels to Stansted for £8 (after tax). There is absolutely no way anyone could get to London from Hull, for example, for that amount. Still I would make a guess that those who come from overseas are the ones who can afford it (especially if you add the cost of accommodation in London) and so are much better offer than the average vegan living in Newcastle or Plymouth. >Also the people who >organise the event live there - in case you didn't know the whole >festival is organised by two individuals, and for the very first >event they had to beg and borrow money from people to get it going >(in fact they probably still do). That is a very fair point with which I doubt anyone could disagree. On its own it would have been a very compelling argument. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 and anyone knows that getting from South Wales to Northampton/Leicester is a bit of a trek ... compared to South Wales - London etc... so the central is always the logistical centre... spacevegan [rob]Why London? Well it is our capital city - you have to admit there are , Chris W <chrisw@g...> wrote:> On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:04:00 -0000, "veganvicky"> > Could I ask anyone who knows why a supposedly national event is being> held in London rather than somewhere central? Far too many "national"> events are held in a place that is awkward to get to for most of the> population!> > Chris W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 Sod off! All roads lead to London. Besides which, anyone that matters is in, or can get to, London... Chris W [chrisw]Friday, August 09, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: Re: National Vegan Festival - LondonCould I ask anyone who knows why a supposedly national event is beingheld in London rather than somewhere central? Far too many "national"events are held in a place that is awkward to get to for most of thepopulation!Chris W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 You don't have to fly from Manchester. Tho if I lived there I'd be flapping for all I was worth! And, let's face it, all you folks in the sticks are just begging for a chance to come breathe our smoke... [And if you ain't, you oughtta be.] Chris W [chrisw]Friday, August 09, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Re: National Vegan Festival - LondonOn Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:13:55 -0000, "spacevegan" <robwrote:>you have to admit there are pretty good transport links to London.Yep it's dead easy and quick to get to London from Manchester,Newcastle, Scotland etc. - if you've got the money to afford to flythat is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 Wales, Scotland & NI? Do they count? And BIRMINGHAM? You ever been there? If I hadn't lived in the arsehole of the universe once (Chard, Somerset) Brum would get my vote. So you flew from Brussels to Stansted for £8; your point is..? And how much did it cost you to get home from Stansted? Okay then, let's have the NATIONAL Vegan Festival in some goD forsaken hole in... let me think (ok, would be a first) Morpeth say. Happy now? Mavreela [nec.lists]Friday, August 09, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: National Vegan Festival - London>Why London? Well it is our capital city...Tell that to people in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.>You have to admit there are>pretty good transport links to London.There are also very good transport links to Birmingham.> Some people come from overseas>to the festival, so if they can make it...To be honest if it weren't for that quote I wouldn't have replied. It smacks of complete arrogance to me.To put it in context though, I recently flew from Brussels to Stansted for £8 (after tax). There is absolutely no way anyone could get to London from Hull, for example, for that amount. Still I would make a guess that those who come from overseas are the ones who can afford it (especially if you add the cost of accommodation in London) and so are much better offer than the average vegan living in Newcastle or Plymouth.>Also the people who>organise the event live there - in case you didn't know the whole>festival is organised by two individuals, and for the very first>event they had to beg and borrow money from people to get it going>(in fact they probably still do).That is a very fair point with which I doubt anyone could disagree. On its own it would have been a very compelling argument.Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 , " Viv " <vc27@n...> wrote: > You don't have to fly from Manchester. Tho if I lived there I'd be flapping > for all I was worth! > And, let's face it, all you folks in the sticks are just begging for a > chance to come breathe our smoke... > [And if you ain't, you oughtta be.] Viv, I don't want to worry you my dear, but you're starting to sound just like Edith. Not that I have anything against Edith you understand (*ducking and donning hard hard*) but I do feel that this world only has room for one Vegan Queen. Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 Exactly!!! From a public transport point of view, London must be the easiest place to travel to! I certainly don't mind travelling up. Janey Sod off! All roads lead to London. Besides which, anyone that matters is in, or can get to, London... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 I live near Plymouth and I'm travelling up by train for the National Vegan Festival. Only takes 2 1/2 to 3 hours. I really want to go so the train fare is worth it. :-) Janey Still I would make a guess that those who come from overseas are the ones who can afford it (especially if you add the cost of accommodation in London) and so are much better offer than the average vegan living in Newcastle or Plymouth. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 "If I hadn't lived in the arsehole of the universe once (Chard, Somerset)" Why? Agree with the rest though. SD Chard, Somerset! Viv [vc27]Saturday, August 10, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: RE: Re: National Vegan Festival - London Wales, Scotland & NI? Do they count? And BIRMINGHAM? You ever been there? If I hadn't lived in the arsehole of the universe once (Chard, Somerset) Brum would get my vote. So you flew from Brussels to Stansted for £8; your point is..? And how much did it cost you to get home from Stansted? Okay then, let's have the NATIONAL Vegan Festival in some goD forsaken hole in... let me think (ok, would be a first) Morpeth say. Happy now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 And it wasn't at all obvious that I'd just got back after being out for an ale or 7... cathyjupp [cj]Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: Re: National Vegan Festival - London, "Viv" <vc27@n...> wrote:> You don't have to fly from Manchester. Tho if I lived there I'd be flapping> for all I was worth!> And, let's face it, all you folks in the sticks are just begging for a> chance to come breathe our smoke...> [And if you ain't, you oughtta be.]Viv, I don't want to worry you my dear, but you're starting to sound just like Edith. Not that I have anything against Edith you understand (*ducking and donning hard hard*) but I do feel that this world only has room for one Vegan Queen.Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 You live there and have to ask? Maybe it's changed since 82-86. Small small town, beer like pis in poor pubs, aggressive natives, crap public transport, no decent shops. I'll think of some more in a mo... Or did you mean why did I live there? Used to live above a bookies at 56 Fore St [got a transfer from London] just down from the Dolphin. Give it a wave next time you go past! [bookies has moved now.] But it was living there that finally opened my eyes to animal-eating so my time there wasn't wasted. And there was a very good bakers... Viv Scrumpy Dziek [scrumpydziek]Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: RE: Re: National Vegan Festival - London "If I hadn't lived in the arsehole of the universe once (Chard, Somerset)" Why? Agree with the rest though. SD Chard, Somerset! Viv [vc27]Saturday, August 10, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: RE: Re: National Vegan Festival - London Wales, Scotland & NI? Do they count? And BIRMINGHAM? You ever been there? If I hadn't lived in the arsehole of the universe once (Chard, Somerset) Brum would get my vote. So you flew from Brussels to Stansted for £8; your point is..? And how much did it cost you to get home from Stansted? Okay then, let's have the NATIONAL Vegan Festival in some goD forsaken hole in... let me think (ok, would be a first) Morpeth say. Happy now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 I had relatives who lived in Chard. Wouldn't be my idea of fun living there! Janey "If I hadn't lived in the arsehole of the universe once (Chard, Somerset)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 >So you flew from Brussels to Stansted for £8; your point is..? And how >much did it cost you to get home from Stansted? About £80. My point, which you nicely emphasized for me, is that it is cheaper to get to London from abroad than it is from other parts of the UK. >Okay then, let's have the NATIONAL Vegan Festival in some goD forsaken >hole in... let me think (ok, would be a first) Morpeth say. Happy now? Well it's fairly easy for me to get to, though I don't know about the rest of you. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 >Sod off! All roads lead to London. >Besides which, anyone that matters is in, or can get to, London... I thought you didn't like this list, too nicey nicey for you. I was sure you said you'd left. Well it's still nicey nicey so be careful now. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 , " Viv " <vc27@n...> wrote: > And it wasn't at all obvious that I'd just got back after being out for an > ale or 7... Never crossed my mind for an instant! How's the training? How does it go? Walk for a minute, jog for a minute, collapse in pub for half an hour, walk for a minute... You have my admiration - I wouldn't even attempt it! Cathy xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 Who would want to go to London if you are there !!!!! Viv [vc27] 10 August 2002 00:51 Subject: RE: National Vegan Festival - London Sod off! All roads lead to London. Besides which, anyone that matters is in, or can get to, London... ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 I said I was "lurking" not participating. But I blame the 7 pints... And off out for some more soon! Mavreela [nec.lists]Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: RE: National Vegan Festival - London>Sod off! All roads lead to London.>Besides which, anyone that matters is in, or can get to, London...I thought you didn't like this list, too nicey nicey for you. I was sure you said you'd left.Well it's still nicey nicey so be careful now.Michael~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 They flock in, every day... Angie Wright [angiewright]Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: RE: National Vegan Festival - London Who would want to go to London if you are there !!!!! Viv [vc27] 10 August 2002 00:51 Subject: RE: National Vegan Festival - London Sod off! All roads lead to London. Besides which, anyone that matters is in, or can get to, London... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Training hasn't started yet cos I'm still waiting for my back to get better. But the schedule sounded okay - except for the "jog" bit. How about I just jog my belly up & down for a minute? My sis is going to give me her treadmill if I can make the room for it. Might have to chuck out the chairs still, good excuse not to have people over. cathyjupp [cj]Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: National Vegan Festival - LondonHow's the training? How does it go? Walk for a minute, jog for a minute, collapse in pub for half an hour, walk for a minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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