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Thanks for this info. Horrible to think of all that work put into it and when you get back it's been stolen, horrible, and to think we are the only species with the intelligence to know what suffering we are causing and still continue causing it. Other species I can excuse as they dont have the conscience nor the choices.

Pandora

(by the way, I agree Angie, that its unnatural to feed felions from tins as they would not normally kill cows etc. Giving them rodents would be just as unnatural to me, but allowing them to kill their own is natural, birds too (from the cats' point of view that is. Wild bird populations are damaged by domestic cats more than anything else, says RSPB - but I suspect pesticides are close). But there are problems there too, mainly from Western sentimentalism of which I also suffer, unfortunately.)

Oliver Slay wrote:

 

wild honey is colected when the bees have left their hives ... as in the Manuka honey ... it's the left overs and the empty honeycomb that is sold...

 

but then that would be one extreme.... and most 'wild' honey is a mix of wild bees and modern practices... whichever gives the more profit...

 

Z

 

k@ [kittyveg]Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE

Human's ability to subjugate never ceases to amaze me, but i must admit that i do not have the answers to your query. I just adhere to the idea that the bees make the honey for themselves, not for us. I would wonder whether there's a certification for honey derived from "wild" bees. Still wouldn't use it. It's all personal preference, however...

 

xxk@xx

 

Pandoras Box [ladymorphia]21 August 2002 20:12 Subject: RE: SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE

I dont need to eat honey. But I was just wondering about the honey described as from wild bees. Are the queens treated in the same way? If they are, how can they be wild? Pandora "k@" wrote:

No worries, Genevieve. I did share Viv's sentiments: it confuses the issue when one labels oneself vegan, but then consumes some animal products. I wanted to say something, but didn't want to risk alienating you from your efforts. As long as you don't identify yourself as a vegan whilst you're still eating eggs and honey, everything's cool! :))

 

The important thing is that you are going out there to educate people. That's ace...absolutely ace! You are to be commended!

 

Have you been to the Vegan Society's website? There's information there about honey. Queen bees are treated very similarly to dairy cows: they are artificially inseminated and kept immobile. There are other correlations, as well. Have a look.

 

Congratulations, again, for being active on behalf of the animals!

 

xxk@xx

 

 

tw0big8oo8s [tw0big8oo8s]21 August 2002 17:58 Subject: SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE

I don't really know what to label myself as. Some people call me a vegetarian because I don't conform to the whole of the vegan thing but some do because I don't drink milk or eat it's products. This is probably going to offend someone but I'm a vegetarian/vegan because of the way animal are treated and the way they are killed. Humans are omnivores and are therefore meant to eat animal products but I just think it's sick to keep them as they do and to kill them in such a way. I live near an abattoir so I've seen what goes on. I eat eggs because as long as they're free-range I can see no harm to the animal and I eat honey because of all the research I've done I've found no evidence that the bees are harmed in any way. But I do think that people are intitled to their opinion so if you think it's wrong to eat animal and they're by-product then that's ok by me. :) About the McVegan event; if you go towww.vegan.org.and click on the tiny McVegan link on the right hand side of the page and that should tell you all about McVegan. I haven't set a date for the event but it will be early next year, just as I get enought money and sponsorship together. Got to go now. See you all soon. Love Genevieve. ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -

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Wild bird populations are also damaged by the RSPB Who only like blue blooded upper class pedigrees. !!!! The poor ruddy duck and pigeon are worthless !

 

Pesticides are certainly a problem and perhaps cats but mine have never brought anything in . they find frogs once or twice a year but so far I think I have heard the squeals and rescued them ,. At least I hope that is the case !!!!!

 

 

Pandoras Box [ladymorphia] 22 August 2002 20:46 Subject: bees, honey and Angie's thoughts

Pandora (by the way, I agree Angie, that its unnatural to feed felions from tins as they would not normally kill cows etc. Giving them rodents would be just as unnatural to me, but allowing them to kill their own is natural, birds too (from the cats' point of view that is. Wild bird populations are damaged by domestic cats more than anything else, says RSPB - but I suspect pesticides are close). But there are problems there too, mainly from Western sentimentalism of which I also suffer, unfortunately.)

 

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right ... would be horrible...

 

maybe i made a mistake... 'wild' actually means they make a nest in

a tree or in an attic etc... and not in a bee-hive...

 

pooh bear liked wild honey...

 

as far as Manuka Wild Honey is concerned, when they leave ... they

leave for good... as far as i know wild bees rarely go back to the

same hive... the colony moves on to a new location ...

 

my grandfather had a few hives and he would go out (can't remember

which season) and look for a wild hive ... he would carefully

transport the hive (ok so long as you get the queen... then all

others follow) to his hive...

 

(not that i agree with such practices...)

 

, Pandoras Box <ladymorphia> wrote:

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> Thanks for this info. Horrible to think of all that work put into

it and when you get back it's been stolen, horrible, and to think we

are the only species with the intelligence to know what suffering we

are causing and still continue causing it. Other species I can

excuse as they dont have the conscience nor the choices.

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Angie Wright wrote:

 

Wild bird populations are also damaged by the RSPB Who only like blue blooded upper class pedigrees. !!!! The poor ruddy duck and pigeon are worthless !

 

I know what you mean. Chickens, turkeys etc also worthless, except when on their butties.

 

Pesticides are certainly a problem and perhaps cats but mine have never brought anything in . they find frogs once or twice a year but so far I think I have heard the squeals and rescued them ,. At least I hope that is the case !!!!!

 

My newcomer makes our frogs squeal too. Never knew they squealed till Blossom came to live with us! I rescue them too!

 

Pandora

 

 

 

Pandoras Box [ladymorphia] 22 August 2002 20:46 Subject: bees, honey and Angie's thoughts

Pandora (by the way, I agree Angie, that its unnatural to feed felions from tins as they would not normally kill cows etc. Giving them rodents would be just as unnatural to me, but allowing them to kill their own is natural, birds too (from the cats' point of view that is. Wild bird populations are damaged by domestic cats more than anything else, says RSPB - but I suspect pesticides are close). But there are problems there too, mainly from Western sentimentalism of which I also suffer, unfortunately.) ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -

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I never knew they squealed either It was such a loud noise too!!!!

But it meant I got the frog each time with no damage done

 

 

 

 

My newcomer makes our frogs squeal too. Never knew they squealed till Blossom came to live with us! I rescue them too!

 

Pandora

 

 

 

 

 

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