Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Meateaters can be very defensive can't they? Even when they aren't confronted. If I say I'm vegan/vegetarian I often get the replies " well I don't eat much meat " or " I'm practically vegetarian " (to be honest I really couldn't care!!). They also like to undermine our choice because they are too weak to make it themselves. In my opinion that's guilt talking! --- Angie Wright <angiewright wrote: > There is no problem with calcium and iron Veg > produce are rich in them . > The enemy just like to frighten us because they are > sad individuals with > nothing better to do or are arrogant to think they > know more than those > who have been veggie for years > > I was told I'd be dead on a vegan diet I'm still > here 35 years later > and having produced 4 life vegans and worked as a > teacher for all 30 > years > > Angie Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 aurora62581 wrote: > > I don't think he's being offensive at all, > As long as he's not trying to stop you from going your own way, that > means he's already trying to be supportive. Without having read the original post, I disagree. This boils down to " If you're not with me, you're still with me as long as you're not really against me " . It is rather based on the assumption that Aurura won't know enough about her diet to eat heathily and get all her nutrients. Since I admit that some vegans really are malnourished, I'd see that as more of an insult to Aurora than vegans in general. But that's just me. > Furthermore, only people > who really care about will say things like that... > I think mutual understanding is more important than trying to > challenge each others ideas... > My friends are mostly meat-eaters, but doesn't mean they're brutal > because they also hate to kill animals themselves...but it's just > unfortunate that so many people are used to the taste of meat and > also seeing so many meat on menu that they are used to the 'sight' of > meat and think they just have to accept it. They also love eating > vegetables and accept me as a vegetarian...I think mutual > understanding is more important, for me, because I can't bear > isolation from loved ones and friends!! *nod*. We live in a society full of meat-eaters. Although we can whittle down the numbers, we're not going to become mostly-veggie for a century or two, at least. (I could go all science fiction here and talk about genetically uplifted animals campaigning for an end to animal farming. But everyone would just look at me as if I was odd.) Most people are, alas, born pretty much programmed to accept what society tells them. Sadly. > > To take both sides equally, sure people who eat a chiefly meat-based > diet are un-healthy, but aren't vegans also have to be careful about > calcium, iron and B12, etc too? Sure you can get them via veggie > based diet, but just need to be able to eat a good variety of stuff!! I don't think you should, as a rule of thumb, take both sides equally. The evidence, as Marx said, is biased. (This is when Edith, who knows her Marx, corrects me.) But in this case, the evidence is pretty even. Omnivorous and vegan diets both have ways of making people really ill. > , Victoria Froment <veganvicky> wrote: > > He's not trying to be offensive, he has been bought up > > believing the myth that you need meat/dairy etc to > > survive (like most people). I just laugh it off. All I > > can do is try to turn his way of thinking around - it > > seems to be working a little. When I cook for him he > > eats healthily, but that isn't all the time. > > I think your idea about confronting him with fact sheets was a really good one. -- Ian McDonald http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 I feel same way too! For those who claim they don't eat much meat, that's already quite a good start. It was on some report, if I remember correctly that it's also the increasing amount of meat-reducers on the market that it's causing the increase demand for vegetarian-meat like foods and also reduction in demand for meat. Encouraging considering this is a country with a meat eating culture! Anyway, from meat eater friends most of them let me go my own way, or even if I say I'm vegetarian they'll always ask me do i still eat fish than and end up cooking me some fish(well, that's no longer vegetarian is it?)...probably they can't cook vegetarian food properly? Also, my mum is very worried about my diet...my dad on the other hand is keen on searching more information on vegetarianism himself (although he eats more meat than my mum) and then end up supporting my diet and regard it as very healthy!! tho my mum's still not convinced and always try to sneak some mince meat (not visible) in my food, and then pick it out (so that there's always some left) and then say it's ok for vegetarians :( ...made it look so hard work that i'd feel guilty if I don't eat it and not being a good daughter because I wasted her effort...>_< *faints* , Victoria Froment <veganvicky> wrote: > Meateaters can be very defensive can't they? Even when > they aren't confronted. If I say I'm vegan/vegetarian > I often get the replies " well I don't eat much meat " > or " I'm practically vegetarian " (to be honest I really > couldn't care!!). They also like to undermine our > choice because they are too weak to make it > themselves. In my opinion that's guilt talking! > > --- Angie Wright <angiewright@n...> wrote: > > There is no problem with calcium and iron Veg > > produce are rich in them . > > The enemy just like to frighten us because they are > > sad individuals with > > nothing better to do or are arrogant to think they > > know more than those > > who have been veggie for years > > > > I was told I'd be dead on a vegan diet I'm still > > here 35 years later > > and having produced 4 life vegans and worked as a > > teacher for all 30 > > years > > > > Angie > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 Ian McDonald [ian]02 September 2002 20:50 Subject: Re: Re: no you should not leave! O, go on, then, Ian. I would like to hear the science fiction scenario. Anything to keep me optimistic... xxk@xx *nod*. We live in a society full of meat-eaters. Although we can whittledown the numbers, we're not going to become mostly-veggie for a centuryor two, at least. (I could go all science fiction here and talk aboutgenetically uplifted animals campaigning for an end to animal farming.But everyone would just look at me as if I was odd.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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