RE: [nottmar] TAKING A LIBERTY

September 22, 2002

Angie Wright [angiewright]

22 September 2002 14:11

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FW: [nottmar] TAKING A LIBERTY

Thought this might be of interest

smithys [smithys]

22 September 2002 13:59

nottmar

[nottmar] TAKING A LIBERTY

TAKING A LIBERTY Sep 21 2002 Daily Mirror

Sorted investigates real face of the countryside alliance

By Andrew Penman, Michael Greenwood and Kanchan Dutt

THE Countryside Alliance marches through London tomorrow in defence of

" liberty and livelihood " but some supporters have already taken more

than a few liberties.

Among those marching the streets are farmers, hunters and other rural

workers convicted of animal cruelty, breach of health and safety rules,

pollution and fraud, a Sorted investigation reveals.

PETER KANABUS, West Grinstead, West Sussex

HE SAYS: " Life for farmers is much worse, there is all the red tape and

low prices and a belief that the government just don't care. The

countryside is going to become a much less nice place to be in. We

suffer more than people in urban areas because we live here. "

WE SAY: Kanabus, 52, admitted 43 charges of cruelty to cattle in 1998.

His wife, Annabel, 54 - sister of supermarket tycoon and science

minister Lord Sainsbury - admitted 22 charges. Their son Jason, 26,

admitted 43 charges. In a raid on their farm, RSPCA inspectors found

starving cows crammed in a shed which was a foot deep in manure and

littered with carcasses. Horsham magistrates ordered the family to pay

fines, costs and compensation totalling £44,000. An RSPCA inspector

said: " Clearly the Kanabus family had failed to feed their cattle. They

had the financial resources to do so but simply didn't. "

FRED HARBER, Smallfield, Surrey

HE SAYS: " The government isn't doing enough, " said Fred's wife Barbara.

" They should give more grants but don't. Poor farmers work all hours God

sends and don't get appreciated, just slapped in the face. I can't go on

the march but Fred will if he can. "

WE SAY: Fred Harber was jailed for eight months in January this year for

cruelty to four horses. Harber, 56, denied the offences at Reigate

magistrates but admitted the condition of the animals was " disgusting " .

He was banned from keeping horses for 10 years. An RSCPA inspector said:

" I was appalled that animals could have been kept in such dreadful

conditions. "

RICHARD PORTER, South Warnborough, Hook, Hants

HE SAYS: " Life has got worse under this government. I'm going on the

march. I don't hunt but I allow people to hunt on my land. I think

people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it's not cruel.

I don't interfere with what people do in the towns, so why should they

interfere with what I do? "

WE SAY: Porter, 60, was fined £15,000 at Winchester Crown Court in

November 2000 for fiddling milk production records amounting to

£700,000.

PETER RAYMOND JONES, Brixworth, Northants

HE SAYS: " Like everyone round here I'll be going. I don't think the

government wants agriculture, it just wants a theme park. "

WE SAY: Jones, huntsman in charge of the hounds for the Pytchley Hunt,

is cited in the BSE report of November 2000 because he broke laws

designed to stop the spread of disease. He was prosecuted at Daventry

magistrates for failing to safely store " risk material " and for failing

to quickly dispose of dead sheep. He was fined £2,000.

BERNARD FOX, Akeley, Bucks

HE SAYS: " The government isn't doing enough, I'd like to see it making

up the subsidies due to us. Our European brethren get the benefit but we

don't. Many small farms have gone and we will lose more. Some would

argue it's overdue and that other industries do not get the same support

but it will change the face of the country. I'll be on the march. "

WE SAY: In June this year Fox was fined £4,000 for polluting a tributary

of the River Ouse at Akeley with farm effluent. Fish along a two-mile

stretch of water were killed.

Sir HENRY AUBREY-FLETCHER, Vice Lord Lieutenant of Buckinghamshire

HE SAYS: " Many sons of farmers have decided they do not want to come

into an industry to work for considerably less than the minimum wage. I

don't hunt but that doesn't mean I'm against it, I believe in freedom of

the individual. Country ways are not fully understood by urban people. I

shall be there on Sunday. "

WE SAY: Landowner Sir Henry, 56, caused fury with proposals to build

2,000 homes on green fields by the West Sussex village of Southwater.

One resident expressed amazement that a countryside supporter could be

behind the plans, saying: " His position appears ambiguous, some may even

suggest hypocritical. "

BEN PAYNE, Fakenham, Norfolk

HE SAYS: " Life for rural communities has got worse. The government does

not support British farmers. That will do away with people like us in

the agricultural feed industry. I expect to be on the march. "

WE SAY: A worker at Payne Bros (East Anglia) Ltd had an arm severed

above the elbow in May 1999 while cleaning a conveyor belt. The firm had

no written safety procedure, there was no guard over the trough and the

employee had to stand on a girder just three inches wide. The family

firm admitted the offences and was fined £13,000 by King's Lynn

magistrates.

OWEN G OWEN, St Asaph, Anglesey

HE SAYS: " We have the world's dearest petrol, sheep medications that

cost four times what they cost in Australia, labour laws that are

prohibitive, yet we are expected to produce food at world market prices.

The government has a hidden agenda to put all British farmers out of

business. I'll be there on Sunday. "

WE SAY: Last month abattoir operator Owen. 51, was fined £2,000 for

pollution. Environment Agency officers found a stream near the abattoir

was reddish brown and stank of slurry.

DIANE COLE, Orsett, Essex

SHE SAYS: " Rural life is getting worse. There's increasing crime,

increased rubbish dumping, encroachment by gypsies. The Government isn't

doing enough. Twelve of us from the farm are going on the march. "

WE SAY: Cole was fined £5,000 by the Health and Safety Executive for

keeping an illegal pesticide.

MARK GREEN, St Owen's Cross, Hereford

HE SAYS: " The government doesn't want to know country people, " said Mr

Green's wife, Joan. " Country life is getting harder. It's a combination

of red tape, imports, strength of the pound. I wouldn't support a ban on

hunting. The hunts only seem to catch foxes that need culling, the old

ones. We're going on the march. "

WE SAY: Mark Green was fined £1,600 by the Health and Safety Executive

after an employee was trapped in a potato harvester. The worker injured

an arm, a leg and his genitals in the accident in 1999.

VERA READMAN, Whitby, North Yorks

SHE SAYS: " It doesn't seem as though the government wants farmers. A lot

of it could be to do with the EU and the rulings we seem to have to

stick by and other countries don't. My son will be on the march. "

WE SAY: Mrs Readman admitted five offences of failing to dispose

correctly of sheep carcasses at Whitby magistrates in October 2000. She

was fined £500.

FINALLY, three farmers who support the Countryside Alliance but will not

be able to make it...

BOBBY WAUGH, Heddon-on-the-Wall, Northumberland

HE SAYS: " Town people are trying to tell country people what to do. None

of them have a clue about farming. People just want cheap meat and

produce, they aren't bothered where it comes from. I can't go on the

march because I've got angina but I sympathise with it. "

WE SAY: The other reason that the farmer accused of starting last year's

foot-and-mouth outbreak will not be marching is that he was

electronically tagged in June for three months. He was also banned from

keeping animals for 15 years, convicted of failing to alert officials to

the disease, causing unnecessary suffering and feeding unprocessed waste

to his pigs.

JOSEPH BOWDEN, Totnes, Devon

HE SAYS: " He supports the Countryside Alliance but won't be able to go

because he's working, " says a friend.

WE SAY: Bowden claimed £156,000 in subsidies for fields that didn't

exist. Some map references he gave was for " land " in the Atlantic

between Greenland and Iceland. Bowden, 48, was jailed for 30 months at

Exeter Crown Court in 2000 for deception and false accounting.

DAVID HOLMES, Silsden, West Yorks

HE SAYS: " I worked under a Labour government in the 70s, Conservatives

in the 80s and 90s but this fella Blair thinks he's president. I wish I

could go but it's too far away. "

WE SAY: Holmes was convicted in 1996 and 1998 of causing suffering to

sheep and fined. In 1999 he was jailed for six months and given a life

ban on keeping animals after being found guilty of cruelty to cattle. In

2000 he got another life ban after being found guilty of causing

suffering to a dog and last October was jailed for five months after

breaking the ban.

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September 22, 2002

Thanks Angie!

Countryside Alliance of collective amnesia!?

I can't understand people who continue to be ignorant,after they have

had 'undesirable behaviour' brought to their attention,you would at

least modify your veiwpoint!wouldn't you?

I like information(and criticism)it helps me grow as a person.

How can you resent your own evolution?

Jak%)

September 22, 2002

K@ told me yesterday that the countryside alliance is actually a plsinter company of the bfss!! and they claim it's not all about hunting. wankers...RAT....... Thanks Angie!Countryside Alliance of collective amnesia!?I can't understand people who continue to be ignorant,after they have had 'undesirable behaviour' brought to their attention,you would at least modify your veiwpoint!wouldn't you?I like information(and criticism)it helps me grow as a person.How can you resent your own evolution?Jak%)~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -