Blame culture blame culture blame culture.......

[Guest guest]

Ah, so it's Cathys fault that there is no creche at the vegan

society agm... Nice to see that there are some universal constants

in this uncertain universe... welcome back lesley ;-) ....

 

 

, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

>

> Ahh, but Cathy cleverboots would clearly be happy enough if no-one

> had children, and for there to be no human future, because she

> singlemindedly cares for animals, so that is probably why she is

not

> in favour of society's quite reasonable special provisions and

> allowances for families, which seem to be getting eroded at every

> turn already. She wants it made even harder for people to cope

with

> having children, and so fewer poeple will have them, can you see

> that?

 

<snip rest of rant>

[Guest guest]

, " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett@b...> wrote:

> Ah, so it's Cathys fault that there is no creche at the vegan

> society agm...

 

Good to know that my life has not been in vain!!!

 

Up the chimneys with 'em!!

 

Cathy

 

)

[Guest guest]

No, it's the council or possibly solely the chief executive's fault,

I'm not blaming Cathy, she doesn't have that much power.

 

Lesley

 

, " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett@b...> wrote:

> Ah, so it's Cathys fault that there is no creche at the vegan

> society agm... Nice to see that there are some universal constants

> in this uncertain universe... welcome back lesley ;-) ....

>

>

> , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

> >

> > Ahh, but Cathy cleverboots would clearly be happy enough if no-

one

> > had children, and for there to be no human future, because she

> > singlemindedly cares for animals, so that is probably why she is

> not

> > in favour of society's quite reasonable special provisions and

> > allowances for families, which seem to be getting eroded at every

> > turn already. She wants it made even harder for people to cope

> with

> > having children, and so fewer poeple will have them, can you see

> > that?

>

> <snip rest of rant>

[Guest guest]

, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

 

 

> I'm not blaming Cathy, she doesn't have that much power.

 

 

Curses!

[Guest guest]

If you had the power to refuse subsidised childcare help altogether,

I can guarantee that more meetings would be complete anarchy (sorry

Graham, I suppose I mean disorder) because parents would come anyway

and just bring noisy kids along, so what do you prefer, noisy

meetings with kids running around or for the kids to be looked after

elsewhere but quite nearby and for meetings to be allowed to run

smoothly? I know you would probably choose for parents to not be

allowed to participate as there is no childcare, you seem to think we

have forfeited our equality by having children, but forget it, it

aint going to happen because parents have an equal democratic right

to get involved in the groups they belong to, and we will strive for

that right (even with our poor tired eyes held open with

matchsticks!). As members we have the right to be part of OUR

organisation, it is as much for vegan parents and children as it is

for childfree by choice vegans.

Get the hell used to it!

 

Lesley

 

 

, " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

> , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

>

>

> > I'm not blaming Cathy, she doesn't have that much power.

>

>

> Curses!

[Guest guest]

, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

>

 

 

> Get the hell used to it!

>

> Lesley

 

 

Have you ever considered an anger management course Leslie?

Cathy

[Guest guest]

I don't need anger management, because it's called justifiable anger,

would you have said such a thing to a slave or any other person who

was denied their equal rights in society?

Put the blame on the person who is being oppressed, to take the

attention away from the oppressor's actions. An old trick and one

that I am wise to.

 

Lesley

 

 

, " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

> , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

> >

>

>

> > Get the hell used to it!

> >

> > Lesley

>

>

> Have you ever considered an anger management course Leslie?

> Cathy

[Guest guest]

, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

 

> Put the blame on the person who is being oppressed, to take the

> attention away from the oppressor's actions. An old trick and one

> that I am wise to.

>

> Lesley

 

 

It's nice to know that you are wise, but as you said youself I don't

have that much power, so how can I be considered the oppressor?

 

The anger management suggestion was, if you recall, in response to

the " Get the hell used to it! " sentence. That sounds a lot like

impotent rage to me. Very damaging, but you can get help.

 

Cathy

[Guest guest]

I'm feeling that this anger is OK actually, because I will use it to

stand up for my rights.

Some people in the Vegan Society who think like you obviously do have

a lot of power, and they are now abusing that power to keep vegan

parents as second class within the structure of the Vegan Society.

Even my husband has been wondering if there is some anti-parent

malice behind the no creche decision, considering all the evidence.

 

Lesley

 

, " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

> , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

>

> > Put the blame on the person who is being oppressed, to take the

> > attention away from the oppressor's actions. An old trick and one

> > that I am wise to.

> >

> > Lesley

>

>

> It's nice to know that you are wise, but as you said youself I

don't

> have that much power, so how can I be considered the oppressor?

>

> The anger management suggestion was, if you recall, in response to

> the " Get the hell used to it! " sentence. That sounds a lot like

> impotent rage to me. Very damaging, but you can get help.

>

> Cathy

[Guest guest]

Lesley Dove wrote:

>

> I don't need anger management, because it's called justifiable anger,

> would you have said such a thing to a slave or any other person who

> was denied their equal rights in society?

> Put the blame on the person who is being oppressed, to take the

> attention away from the oppressor's actions. An old trick and one

> that I am wise to.

>

 

Perhaps cognitive therapy, then?

[Guest guest]

Bo**ox to that, I am not the one in the wrong, Rick Savage won't even

give a straight answer to a simple question, instead he dodges it

with largely irrelevant facts, which says more about his character

than I can ever say about him, so quit pathologising my attitude just

because you don't like it.

 

Ho-hum, some things never change around here do they?

 

Lesley

 

, Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote:

>

>

> Lesley Dove wrote:

> >

> > I don't need anger management, because it's called justifiable

anger,

> > would you have said such a thing to a slave or any other person

who

> > was denied their equal rights in society?

> > Put the blame on the person who is being oppressed, to take the

> > attention away from the oppressor's actions. An old trick and one

> > that I am wise to.

> >

>

> Perhaps cognitive therapy, then?

[Guest guest]

I hate Monday, I'll tell you why. Because usually it means I don't get to

go online between Sunday lunchtime and Monday evening and so there's a lot

of email to go through.

 

And now all this - friendly warning, don't get personal. Constructive and

helpful suggestions to other members are all well and good, but don't press

them once made. That's the line and it's arbitrary. If you have a better

line then tell me. You see there's something wrong with me, I trust people

and treat them as intelligent people. I know, what can you do? Because of

that I expect people to know how others will react to what they say, and so

they take responsibility for what happens regardless of whether what they

said was really that bad after all. This is the nicey nicey moderated

list, and I will ensure it stays that way even if it means I have to get

nasty (!)

 

So think before writing because I'm going to act first.

 

Michael

[Guest guest]

Even my Robert ???? He'd get stuck , Cathy !!!!

 

 

cathyjupp [cj] 07 October 2002 09:04 Subject: Re: Blame culture blame culture blame culture......., "quercusrobur2002" <grahamburnett@b...> wrote:> Ah, so it's Cathys fault that there is no creche at the vegan > society agm... Good to know that my life has not been in vain!!!Up the chimneys with 'em!!Cathy:o)~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -

[Guest guest]

, " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> Even my Robert ???? He'd get stuck , Cathy !!!!

>

> Angie

 

 

Robert is a young man, so he is excluded from chimney duty.

 

xxxx

[Guest guest]

He must instead go down the coal mines and push the trucks!

 

Lesley

 

 

, " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

> , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> > Even my Robert ???? He'd get stuck , Cathy !!!!

> >

> > Angie

>

>

> Robert is a young man, so he is excluded from chimney duty.

>

> xxxx

[Guest guest]

As long as I get his wages !!!! -- Makes a change from his stealing from me -----little swine !!!

 

He does say sorry though !!!!!

 

 

Lesley Dove [Lesley] 08 October 2002 01:23 Subject: Re: Blame culture blame culture blame culture.......He must instead go down the coal mines and push the trucks!Lesley, "cathyjupp" <cj@r...> wrote:> , "Angie Wright" <angiewright@n...> wrote:> > Even my Robert ???? He'd get stuck , Cathy !!!!> > > > Angie> > > Robert is a young man, so he is excluded from chimney duty.> > xxxx~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -