Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 see photo album. http://us.f1.fs.com/groups/g_6333311/UKVWSmirnoff30k.j pg?bcPd6y9Ajq7PPTri UK Vegan Week Smirnoff Poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:37:32 -0000, " The Vegan Society " <media wrote: >see photo album. > >http://us.f1.fs.com/groups/g_6333311/UKVWSmirnoff30k.j >pg?bcPd6y9Ajq7PPTri > >UK Vegan Week Smirnoff Poster I've seen this Smirnoff poster in Worcester. So is all such publicity good publicity for veganism, or is it a cheap jibe at the expense of vegans that we should be angry about? Blimey, I must be turning into Nicky Campbell! ;-) Chris W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 >I've seen this Smirnoff poster in Worcester. So is all such publicity >good publicity for veganism, or is it a cheap jibe at the expense of >vegans that we should be angry about? I'm not angry. Look at it this way, if people really need to use that as an excuse then it implies there must be a lot of vegans around, always a good way to get away from the minority freak image. I think vegans have more to gain from the promotion of the concept of veganism, you're not going to see the word splashed any other way. And I don't think it's offensive. Unless you find someone thinking that you take your beliefs so seriously that they should lie to you as offensive. It only seems to put down non-vegans who feel they need to lie about it. I think the worst damage would be if a bunch of humourless politically correct self appointed few decide to complain and make us all look like humourless politically correct freaks who can't take an innocent campaign without kicking up a fuss over nothing. This is great free advertising, I take it from the VS comment that it was intentionally timed? Interesting. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 I don't understand the ad .so don't know whether to be offended or not ! Mavreela [nec.lists] 07 November 2002 16:25 Subject: Re: As clear as your conscience!I'm not angry.Look at it this way, if people really need to use that as an excuse then it implies there must be a lot of vegans around, always a good way to get away from the minority freak image. I think vegans have more to gain from the promotion of the concept of veganism, you're not going to see the word splashed any other way.And I don't think it's offensive. Unless you find someone thinking that you take your beliefs so seriously that they should lie to you as offensive. It only seems to put down non-vegans who feel they need to lie about it.This is great free advertising, Michael~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 If you don't understand it, most people probably don't, I don't either! Lesley Angie Wright [angiewright]07 November 2002 23:01 Subject: RE: As clear as your conscience! I don't understand the ad .so don't know whether to be offended or not ! Mavreela [nec.lists] 07 November 2002 16:25 Subject: Re: As clear as your conscience!I'm not angry.Look at it this way, if people really need to use that as an excuse then it implies there must be a lot of vegans around, always a good way to get away from the minority freak image. I think vegans have more to gain from the promotion of the concept of veganism, you're not going to see the word splashed any other way.And I don't think it's offensive. Unless you find someone thinking that you take your beliefs so seriously that they should lie to you as offensive. It only seems to put down non-vegans who feel they need to lie about it.This is great free advertising, Michael~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 >If you don't understand it, most people probably don't, I don't either! Imagine you are in a pub, at a party, whatever. It doesn't matter if you aren't likely to be in one of those places, just imagine it. A beautiful man/woman, or if you're lucky one of each (or is that just me?), starts chatting you up. They tell you they a vegan and because you so badly want to have sex with them you say you are one too, even though you're not. The campaign centers around the concept of the vodka being " as clear as your conscience " . Vodka is transparent, i.e. it is as clear as the conscience of someone who would lie to get someone else into bed. In other words the campaign is about the liar, the vegan is as incidental to this. The campaign could very easily have read " I'm a train spotter too " , or " I like Brussel sprouts too " . Does that help? I don't see why it means most people don't understand it just because Lesley and Angie do not. The campaign is targeted at young people, the clubbing and chatting up type. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Hey I.ve spent hours on here chatting people up !!!!! Not achieved anything yet tho' --------Still hoping , any chance yet Mr Big ? Mavreela [nec.lists] 08 November 2002 00:36 Subject: RE: As clear as your conscience!Does that help? I don't see why it means most people don't understand it just because Lesley and Angie do not. The campaign is targeted at young people, the clubbing and chatting up type.Michael --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release 03/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:36:26 +0000, Mavreela <nec.lists wrote: >The campaign centers around the concept of the vodka being " as clear as >your conscience " . Vodka is transparent, i.e. it is as clear as the >conscience of someone who would lie to get someone else into bed. I knew the premise of this series of ads and can't say I'm impressed by something which seeks to portray lying and deceit in a positive light. Just another sign of the continuing decline of moral standards - an issue I have a permanent bee in my bonnet about. Chris W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 I could not agree more. Lesley Chris W [chrisw]08 November 2002 08:24 Subject: Re: As clear as your conscience!On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:36:26 +0000, Mavreela <nec.listswrote:>The campaign centers around the concept of the vodka being "as clear as >your conscience". Vodka is transparent, i.e. it is as clear as the >conscience of someone who would lie to get someone else into bed.I knew the premise of this series of ads and can't say I'm impressedby something which seeks to portray lying and deceit in a positivelight. Just another sign of the continuing decline of moral standards- an issue I have a permanent bee in my bonnet about.Chris W~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Well maybe I am just an old fogey like Angie (just kidding Angie), but even when I was young, free and single, I did not go out picking up or being picked up by strange men (or women) in pubs for sex! Firstly it just wouldn't be a safe thing, and besides I would not have felt comfortable with it. You never know if the person is a psycho, people get killed if they are unlucky in these situations you know! I would only have picked up or been picked up by men who were already people I knew were clearly at least somewhat suitable for me, someone I had met through an AR/veggie/green/peace group, or somewhere else but I knew the person was OK. I suspect Angie probably had a similar attitude. I imagine it would be very degrading for a vegan to be conned into sleeping with a lying animal eater, and after your explanation I think the ad is very insulting to vegans, it takes the mickey, it seems to be saying either that vegans are stupid and easily conned, and that Smirnoff drinkers are lying reprobates, or that the Smirnoff drinkers are stupid enough to believe that vegans will actually believe them, so I shouldn't think it would be very successful in selling the stuff anyway! Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists]08 November 2002 00:36 Subject: RE: As clear as your conscience!>If you don't understand it, most people probably don't, I don't either!Imagine you are in a pub, at a party, whatever. It doesn't matter if you aren't likely to be in one of those places, just imagine it.A beautiful man/woman, or if you're lucky one of each (or is that just me?), starts chatting you up.They tell you they a vegan and because you so badly want to have sex with them you say you are one too, even though you're not.The campaign centers around the concept of the vodka being "as clear as your conscience". Vodka is transparent, i.e. it is as clear as the conscience of someone who would lie to get someone else into bed.In other words the campaign is about the liar, the vegan is as incidental to this. The campaign could very easily have read "I'm a train spotter too", or "I like Brussel sprouts too".Does that help? I don't see why it means most people don't understand it just because Lesley and Angie do not. The campaign is targeted at young people, the clubbing and chatting up type.Michael~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 >I imagine it would be very degrading for a vegan to be conned into >sleeping with a lying animal eater, and after your explanation I think the >ad is very insulting to vegans, it takes the mickey, it seems to be saying >either that vegans are stupid and easily conned, and that Smirnoff >drinkers are lying reprobates, or that the Smirnoff drinkers are stupid >enough to believe that vegans will actually believe them, so I shouldn't >think it would be very successful in selling the stuff anyway! Kind of missing the point, and the context with the other earlier advertisements in the series, there. It's isn't meant as social commentary, or a recommendation in how to behave, it is a semi-humourous parody of the attitudes of young people today. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 It wouldn't make me want to drink it , and since they are using our word without either asking our permission ,or giving us any share of the benefit , I shall make sure I don't buy that brand (Don't drink spirits anyway ---are they vegan ?) I had a 6 month lead time Lesley , I assumed by then I would know if I was being conned !!!! Now I'm just a sad celebate. I'm thinking of joining a national social group called Nexus . Can't wait for ever for some passionate AR vegan to sweep me off my feet . I've waited 5 years and have given up ---You missed your chance boys !!! I just hope my converting skills have not been lost !!! Lesley Dove [Lesley] 08 November 2002 12:25 Subject: RE: As clear as your conscience! I would only have picked up or been picked up by men who were already people I knew were clearly at least somewhat suitable for me, someone I had met through an AR/veggie/green/peace group, or somewhere else but I knew the person was OK. I suspect Angie probably had a similar attitude. I imagine it would be very degrading for a vegan to be conned into sleeping with a lying animal eater, and after your explanation I think the ad is very insulting to vegans, it takes the mickey, Lesley --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release 03/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 > > > >UK Vegan Week Smirnoff Poster > > I've seen this Smirnoff poster in Worcester. So is all such publicity > good publicity for veganism, or is it a cheap jibe at the expense of > vegans that we should be angry about? > Well I thought it was quite funny.... Vegans really should lighten up a bit y'know.... :-) graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 On Sat Nov 09, 2002, quercusrobur2002 wrote: > > > >UK Vegan Week Smirnoff Poster > > > > I've seen this Smirnoff poster in Worcester. So is all such > publicity > > good publicity for veganism, or is it a cheap jibe at the expense > of > > vegans that we should be angry about? > > > > Well I thought it was quite funny.... Vegans really should lighten > up a bit y'know.... I'm with you there Graham It won't stop me drinking Smirnoff... Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Chris W wrote: > > I knew the premise of this series of ads and can't say I'm impressed > by something which seeks to portray lying and deceit in a positive > light. Just another sign of the continuing decline of moral standards > - an issue I have a permanent bee in my bonnet about. > > Chris W Yup. Although I don't mind the concept of attractive vegans, I'm with Chris on the moral vacuum to which the Smirnoff ads appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 , Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote: > > Yup. Although I don't mind the concept of attractive vegans, I'm with > Chris on the moral vacuum to which the Smirnoff ads appeal. Ah well, I guess that's post modern irony for you... Cheers Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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