Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Hello everyone Converting people: what are your views on converting people to vegetarianism/veganism? On the one hand I would say that it is best not to push it down their throats (so to speak) because that just alienates them; better to just get on quietly with being one yourself, so setting a good example, and answering their questions as and when they bring them up. One example of this approach working is a couple who are friends with my mum who told her that they had decided to become vegetarian because they were so impressed with her example. Also, quite a few times now meat eating friends have said jelously that what I'm eating looks really nice, much nicer than what they are eating, and how they wish they had it too! On the other hand, sometimes the more in-their-face approach can work. For example I was in town with a meat eating friend once and we met a vegan friend of mine who was handing out leaflets on vegetarianism - the sort with gruesome slaughterhouse etc pictures. I felt very uncomfortable because I had always attempted not to push the issue with my meat eating friends (not because I am ashamed/embarassed, but because of my points in above paragraph). However, my friend took a leaflet and later informed me that she had decided to become vegetarian on the basis of the information in it. She has since slipped back a little way to my knowledge, but is still largely vegetarian. Supermarkets: Good old Co-op, where would we be without them and their labelling?! Although I did find the British Heart Foundation collecting in one of their stores the other day - I emailed customer relations complaining but no reply yet. Shame on Safeway for recently stating that it has not renewed its old (1999?) vegan list because it was 'too much trouble' - btw, the latest vegan shopper book says that because of this decision, it has gone by the old list. I advise you to check the ingredients very carefully anyway, for example packet soup slim choice ministrone used to be vegan, and so is in the book, but luckily I checked the packet cos it isn't any more. Flowers: I am glad to hear that I am not alone in disliking cut flowers. Yes, today was another gorgeous sunny day here in Wales. best wishes Cath _______________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Hi Cath... i think that when you push veganism (or anything for that matter) down people's throats you end up alienating yourself ... (which is probably the same thing)... aren't we watching the alienation of the USA as they force their world on us? ... the alienation of Blair as he supports Bush against public opinion (bet he was a little sore because they had to wake him up to tell him the war had started!... hehe .. poor bloke... a puppet to his political fate) ... i hear this is the first time in history that Muslims are trying to 'escape' from the US to avoid persecution.... Oliver Catherine Pritchard [abergirl82] Converting people: what are your views on converting people to vegetarianism/veganism? On the one hand I would say that it is best not to push it down their throats (so to speak) because that just alienates them; better to just get on quietly with being one yourself, so setting a good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 I am an American...Bush himself is not listening to us either...he calls anyone who voices desent " Focus Groups " and says he doesn't listen to focus groups...The biggest problem is that so many people here don't vote...I'm scared he'll get reelected due to the apathy of our youth (I'm 25 and when I voted in the last election, I was only one of 30% of people in my age group to vote)...I guess it's unrelated...but since it's come up...just wanted to say we don't all support his conquest of the world... Quoting Oliver Slay <oliver: > Hi Cath... > > i think that when you push veganism (or anything for that matter) down > people's throats you end up alienating yourself ... (which is probably > the same thing)... > > aren't we watching the alienation of the USA as they force their world > on us? ... the alienation of Blair as he supports Bush against public > opinion (bet he was a little sore because they had to wake him up to > tell him the war had started!... hehe .. poor bloke... a puppet to his > political fate) ... i hear this is the first time in history that > Muslims are trying to 'escape' from the US to avoid persecution.... > > Oliver > > > > Catherine Pritchard [abergirl82] > > > Converting people: what are your views on converting people to > vegetarianism/veganism? On the one hand I would say that it is > best not to > push it down their throats (so to speak) because that just > alienates them; > better to just get on quietly with being one yourself, so > setting a good > > > > > ** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 i wouldn't expect the average American to support Bush ... support what anyway? ... higher tax? invasive foreign policy? drilling for oil in Alaska's Nature Reserves?... tax cuts for petrol-hungry SUVs? no tax benefits for recruitment companies who look for work for deaf/handicapped people (so they went out of business)... Bush works for the oil companies who put him in ... he stands for the rich few getting richer and the alienation of the poor and disempowered... why would anyone support him ... unless they had loads of money ... or they made guns and missiles and chemicals weapons and lasers and vaccines and any other product of modern war? or oil or petrochemical products or .... Blair used to listen to 'Focus Groups' ... at least he encouraged them and heard the results of them ... now there's no chance of that ... now he has to be woken up to be told a major invasion has begun ... he's not even got a say in all this... shawnam [shawnam] I am an American...Bush himself is not listening to us either...he calls anyone who voices desent "Focus Groups" and says he doesn't listen to focus groups...The biggest problem is that so many people here don't vote...I'm scared he'll get reelected due to the apathy of our youth (I'm 25 and when I voted in the last election, I was only one of 30% of people in my age group to vote)...I guess it's unrelated...but since it's come up...just wanted to say we don't all support his conquest of the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 I think leaflets are a great idea. You're giving someone something to read without preaching out loud to them. It's up to them if they read it and take the info in. I had a discussion about animal rights and meat eating on a music based list (which had open discussions) once and I think by the end of it those who ate meat were just getting very defensive, not really listening to anything I was saying. I told them that I as someone who did not eat meat loved animals more than someone who did eat them (I think someone else had started saying that they loved animals but ate them - and that's why I said that they didn't. How can someone who eats animals claim they love animals as much as someone who doesn't and is into animal rights?). Some of them listened to nothing I said and were really vindictive and I almost left the list because they'd made me feel so bad towards the end. So, I guess, even if you want to convert someone to vegetarianism/veganism then being too vocal about it does no good - unless they kind of want to convert anyway or are not too argumentative. On my own music list, sometimes I plug various animal rights things - like last night I cut and pasted the vegetarian interview with a member of System Of A Down, that is on peta2.com. Didn't say too much, just let them read it. I don't know if it does any good, but I like drawing attention to things like that that might sway others, without having a heavy discussion. On the other hand, in my music zine, last issue I had a rant in my own little column about how the royal family are into hunting and stuff. Basically I'd say that anything written probably does a better job than anything coming directly from one's mouth. That's just my opinion anyway. <3 Shari Black Velvet - " Catherine Pritchard " <abergirl82 Monday, March 31, 2003 7:32 PM converting people; supermarkets; flowers > Hello everyone > > Converting people: what are your views on converting people to > vegetarianism/veganism? On the one hand I would say that it is best not to > push it down their throats (so to speak) because that just alienates them; > better to just get on quietly with being one yourself, so setting a good > example, and answering their questions as and when they bring them up. One > example of this approach working is a couple who are friends with my mum who > told her that they had decided to become vegetarian because they were so > impressed with her example. Also, quite a few times now meat eating friends > have said jelously that what I'm eating looks really nice, much nicer than > what they are eating, and how they wish they had it too! > > On the other hand, sometimes the more in-their-face approach can work. For > example I was in town with a meat eating friend once and we met a vegan > friend of mine who was handing out leaflets on vegetarianism - the sort with > gruesome slaughterhouse etc pictures. I felt very uncomfortable because I > had always attempted not to push the issue with my meat eating friends (not > because I am ashamed/embarassed, but because of my points in above > paragraph). However, my friend took a leaflet and later informed me that > she had decided to become vegetarian on the basis of the information in it. > She has since slipped back a little way to my knowledge, but is still > largely vegetarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 I've found that those people who act the most attacked by someone being Vegan...and I'm talking about those people who feel the need to be combative just when they find out that you are vegan...the ones who START shit with you over it...they're often the ones that actually feel guilty on some level that they eat meat...those are the ones that often times later convert to veg...at least in my experience... Quoting " Shari " <shari: > I think leaflets are a great idea. You're giving someone something to read > without preaching out loud to them. It's up to them if they read it and take > the info in. > > I had a discussion about animal rights and meat eating on a music based list > (which had open discussions) once and I think by the end of it those who ate > meat were just getting very defensive, not really listening to anything I > was saying. I told them that I as someone who did not eat meat loved animals > more than someone who did eat them (I think someone else had started saying > that they loved animals but ate them - and that's why I said that they > didn't. How can someone who eats animals claim they love animals as much as > someone who doesn't and is into animal rights?). Some of them listened to > nothing I said and were really vindictive and I almost left the list because > they'd made me feel so bad towards the end. So, I guess, even if you want to > convert someone to vegetarianism/veganism then being too vocal about it does > no good - unless they kind of want to convert anyway or are not too > argumentative. > > On my own music list, sometimes I plug various animal rights things - like > last night I cut and pasted the vegetarian interview with a member of System > Of A Down, that is on peta2.com. Didn't say too much, just let them read it. > I don't know if it does any good, but I like drawing attention to things > like that that might sway others, without having a heavy discussion. > > On the other hand, in my music zine, last issue I had a rant in my own > little column about how the royal family are into hunting and stuff. > Basically I'd say that anything written probably does a better job than > anything coming directly from one's mouth. > > That's just my opinion anyway. > > <3 > Shari Black Velvet > > - > " Catherine Pritchard " <abergirl82 > > Monday, March 31, 2003 7:32 PM > converting people; supermarkets; flowers > > > > Hello everyone > > > > Converting people: what are your views on converting people to > > vegetarianism/veganism? On the one hand I would say that it is best not > to > > push it down their throats (so to speak) because that just alienates them; > > better to just get on quietly with being one yourself, so setting a good > > example, and answering their questions as and when they bring them up. > One > > example of this approach working is a couple who are friends with my mum > who > > told her that they had decided to become vegetarian because they were so > > impressed with her example. Also, quite a few times now meat eating > friends > > have said jelously that what I'm eating looks really nice, much nicer than > > what they are eating, and how they wish they had it too! > > > > On the other hand, sometimes the more in-their-face approach can work. > For > > example I was in town with a meat eating friend once and we met a vegan > > friend of mine who was handing out leaflets on vegetarianism - the sort > with > > gruesome slaughterhouse etc pictures. I felt very uncomfortable because I > > had always attempted not to push the issue with my meat eating friends > (not > > because I am ashamed/embarassed, but because of my points in above > > paragraph). However, my friend took a leaflet and later informed me that > > she had decided to become vegetarian on the basis of the information in > it. > > She has since slipped back a little way to my knowledge, but is still > > largely vegetarian. > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Lots of them are either liars or just get pleasure from annoying you I think by the end of it those who ate meat were just getting very defensive, not really listening to anything I was saying. I told them that I as someone who did not eat meat loved animals more than someone who did eat them (I think someone else had started saying that they loved animals but ate them - and that's why I said that they didn't. How can someone who eats animals claim they love animals as much as someone who doesn't and is into animal rights?). Some of them listened to nothing I said and were really vindictive and I almost left the list because they'd made me feel so bad towards the end. So, I guess, even if you want to convert someone to vegetarianism/veganism then being too vocal about it does no good - unless they kind of want to convert anyway or are not too argumentative. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release 27/01/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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