Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Come for the Vegan Families Summer Picnic in Hyde Park, on Sunday 13th July 2003, from 1 pm to 4 pm Meet at the Children's playground near Edinburgh Gate. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf? x=527614 & y=179844 & z=1 & sv=527750,179750 & st=4 & ar=Y & mapp=newmap.srf & searc hp=newsearch.srf Please bring vegan food and drink to share. Call me on 020 8861 1233 or email me if you need to ask anything. Anyone with children too old or too young, please feel free to pass this on to any vegan families you know who might be interested. Lesley Dove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 >Come for the Vegan Families Summer Picnic in Hyde Park, >on Sunday 13th July 2003, from 1 pm to 4 pm > >Meet at the Children's playground near Edinburgh Gate. >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf? >x=527614 & y=179844 & z=1 & sv=527750,179750 & st=4 & ar=Y & mapp=newmap.srf & searc >hp=newsearch.srf > >Please bring vegan food and drink to share. > As this is an open air event. will smoking be OK ? Paul -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 It's Hyde Park, we don't own it. Cigarette smoke is unpleasant as well as unhealthy for children and other non-smokers and most of us don't like it but we can't stop people smoking there, we have no authority to do this. Some of us might be a bit miffed if someone's smoke is bothering us. Most non-smokers are far too polite and tend not to complain, but I am not afraid to stand up for non-smokers' rights. I'd move well out of the way if anyone was smoking near me so I was not downwind of them because it makes me quite ill if I have to breathe it, I would also make it obvious why I was moving away from the person. Please be advised that most of the vegan parents we know do not smoke, and it might be not very popular behaviour. Since most smokers start smoking when they are young due to peer pressure, so if they are in any way susceptible to peer pressure, let's hope it helps them to quit these days with most people being non-smokers now. I thought vegans were usually intelligent and thinking people, so it surprises me that so many people smoke on animal rights marches, presumably many of them vegans. It makes it difficult for me to be on marches with all that smoke blowing around and with so many people marching so close together it may as well be indoors, especially if the wind blows it right at you. The last one we went on I came away all phlegmy and with a thumping headache from it. I never usually get headaches, cigarette smoke is one of the few things that triggers them. I do feel that smoking around children is quite inappropriate behaviour as I believe it's a very bad influence even if they are not being forced to breathe it. Children whose parents smoke are more likely to end up as smokers themselves than those whose parents are non-smokers. It's really bad that my kids' school allows smoking on the school field at the school fete, it's just because a ban is difficult to enforce they say, but I think it would be worthwhile. The school is quite good on the one hand at making kids aware of the dangers of tobacco smoking, they do cover it in the middle school but in my view they are giving mixed messages and helping to normalise it for the children by allowing the smoking parents to smoke at the fete. It's bad that so many parents smoke even in their cars with the kids in there with them, I find that quite upsetting to see, I consider it to be cruel and something the NSPCC should be seriously dealing with. I know from experience that exposing kids to smoke is cruel because I suffered a lot of ill-health as a child because of my mother smoking around me. I know it was the smoke that was the cause of my problems because all my ailments, such as recurrent chest infections/bronchitis, almost constant headaches, mouth ulcers and sore throats, cleared up within a very short time of me leaving home, but I tend to get some symptoms back when I am exposed to cigarette smoke. Some kids get ear infections because their parents smoke, fortunately I didn't suffer this myself. I did feel constantly poisoned, and it was such a relief once I was able to live away from my mum and her smoke. I suspect you probably only asked about how we feel about smoking to be an annoyance to me, because I am fairly well-known for being a very vocal anti-smoking person, I apologise if I am wrong about the reason for you asking, it's just that there have been a few arguments about the smoking issue which I really do not want to keep revisiting. Are you a mate of MrBig by any chance? From a purely vegan point of view, most cigarettes are not vegan, as they contain animal-derived additives. Many vegan smokers conveniently forget this for their own convenience and because they are unfortunately addicts. Some only smoke vegan American Spirit but by no means all vegan smokers seem that strict. Just because something is legal and allowed, does not make it "OK" with everyone by any means. Lesley Paul Russell [prussell]20 June 2003 14:43 Subject: Re: Vegan Families Picnic>Come for the Vegan Families Summer Picnic in Hyde Park,>on Sunday 13th July 2003, from 1 pm to 4 pm>>Meet at the Children's playground near Edinburgh Gate.>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?>x=527614 & y=179844 & z=1 & sv=527750,179750 & st=4 & ar=Y & mapp=newmap.srf & searc>hp=newsearch.srf>>Please bring vegan food and drink to share.>As this is an open air event. will smoking be OK ?Paul-- ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 > >It's Hyde Park, we don't own it. Cigarette smoke is unpleasant as >well as unhealthy for children and other non-smokers and most of us >don't like it but we can't stop people smoking there, we have no >authority to do this. Some of us might be a bit miffed if someone's >smoke is bothering us. Most non-smokers are far too polite and tend >not to complain, but I am not afraid to stand up for non-smokers' >rights. I'd move well out of the way if anyone was smoking near me >so I was not downwind of them because it makes me quite ill if I >have to breathe it, I would also make it obvious why I was moving >away from the person. Please be advised that most of the vegan >parents we know do not smoke, and it might be not very popular >behaviour. Since most smokers start smoking when they are young due >to peer pressure, so if they are in any way susceptible to peer >pressure, let's hope it helps them to quit these days with most >people being non-smokers now. I thought vegans were usually >intelligent and thinking people, so it surprises me that so many >people smoke on animal rights marches, presumably many of them >vegans. It makes it difficult for me to be on marches with all that >smoke blowing around and with so many people marching so close >together it may as well be indoors, especially if the wind blows it >right at you. The last one we went on I came away all phlegmy and >with a thumping headache from it. I never usually get headaches, >cigarette smoke is one of the few things that triggers them. > >I do feel that smoking around children is quite inappropriate >behaviour as I believe it's a very bad influence even if they are >not being forced to breathe it. Children whose parents smoke are >more likely to end up as smokers themselves than those whose parents >are non-smokers. It's really bad that my kids' school allows smoking >on the school field at the school fete, it's just because a ban is >difficult to enforce they say, but I think it would be worthwhile. >The school is quite good on the one hand at making kids aware of the >dangers of tobacco smoking, they do cover it in the middle school >but in my view they are giving mixed messages and helping to >normalise it for the children by allowing the smoking parents to >smoke at the fete. It's bad that so many parents smoke even in their >cars with the kids in there with them, I find that quite upsetting >to see, I consider it to be cruel and something the NSPCC should be >seriously dealing with. I know from experience that exposing kids to >smoke is cruel because I suffered a lot of ill-health as a child >because of my mother smoking around me. I know it was the smoke that >was the cause of my problems because all my ailments, such >as recurrent chest infections/bronchitis, almost constant headaches, >mouth ulcers and sore throats, cleared up within a very short time >of me leaving home, but I tend to get some symptoms back when I am >exposed to cigarette smoke. Some kids get ear infections because >their parents smoke, fortunately I didn't suffer this myself. I did >feel constantly poisoned, and it was such a relief once I was able >to live away from my mum and her smoke. > >I suspect you probably only asked about how we feel about smoking to >be an annoyance to me, because I am fairly well-known for being a >very vocal anti-smoking person, I apologise if I am wrong about the >reason for you asking, it's just that there have been a few >arguments about the smoking issue which I really do not want to keep >revisiting. Are you a mate of MrBig by any chance? > >From a purely vegan point of view, most cigarettes are not vegan, as >they contain animal-derived additives. Many vegan smokers >conveniently forget this for their own convenience and because they >are unfortunately addicts. Some only smoke vegan American Spirit but >by no means all vegan smokers seem that strict. > >Just because something is legal and allowed, does not make it " OK " >with everyone by any means. > I'll take that as a " no " , then. Paul -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 Why were you asking? Is this some silly wind-up? Lesley Paul Russell [prussell]21 June 2003 19:43 Subject: RE: Vegan Families Picnic>>It's Hyde Park, we don't own it. Cigarette smoke is unpleasant as >well as unhealthy for children and other non-smokers and most of us >don't like it but we can't stop people smoking there, we have no >authority to do this. Some of us might be a bit miffed if someone's >smoke is bothering us. Most non-smokers are far too polite and tend >not to complain, but I am not afraid to stand up for non-smokers' >rights. I'd move well out of the way if anyone was smoking near me >so I was not downwind of them because it makes me quite ill if I >have to breathe it, I would also make it obvious why I was moving >away from the person. Please be advised that most of the vegan >parents we know do not smoke, and it might be not very popular >behaviour. Since most smokers start smoking when they are young due >to peer pressure, so if they are in any way susceptible to peer >pressure, let's hope it helps them to quit these days with most >people being non-smokers now. I thought vegans were usually >intelligent and thinking people, so it surprises me that so many >people smoke on animal rights marches, presumably many of them >vegans. It makes it difficult for me to be on marches with all that >smoke blowing around and with so many people marching so close >together it may as well be indoors, especially if the wind blows it >right at you. The last one we went on I came away all phlegmy and >with a thumping headache from it. I never usually get headaches, >cigarette smoke is one of the few things that triggers them.>>I do feel that smoking around children is quite inappropriate >behaviour as I believe it's a very bad influence even if they are >not being forced to breathe it. Children whose parents smoke are >more likely to end up as smokers themselves than those whose parents >are non-smokers. It's really bad that my kids' school allows smoking >on the school field at the school fete, it's just because a ban is >difficult to enforce they say, but I think it would be worthwhile. >The school is quite good on the one hand at making kids aware of the >dangers of tobacco smoking, they do cover it in the middle school >but in my view they are giving mixed messages and helping to >normalise it for the children by allowing the smoking parents to >smoke at the fete. It's bad that so many parents smoke even in their >cars with the kids in there with them, I find that quite upsetting >to see, I consider it to be cruel and something the NSPCC should be >seriously dealing with. I know from experience that exposing kids to >smoke is cruel because I suffered a lot of ill-health as a child >because of my mother smoking around me. I know it was the smoke that >was the cause of my problems because all my ailments, such >as recurrent chest infections/bronchitis, almost constant headaches, >mouth ulcers and sore throats, cleared up within a very short time >of me leaving home, but I tend to get some symptoms back when I am >exposed to cigarette smoke. Some kids get ear infections because >their parents smoke, fortunately I didn't suffer this myself. I did >feel constantly poisoned, and it was such a relief once I was able >to live away from my mum and her smoke.>>I suspect you probably only asked about how we feel about smoking to >be an annoyance to me, because I am fairly well-known for being a >very vocal anti-smoking person, I apologise if I am wrong about the >reason for you asking, it's just that there have been a few >arguments about the smoking issue which I really do not want to keep >revisiting. Are you a mate of MrBig by any chance?>>From a purely vegan point of view, most cigarettes are not vegan, as >they contain animal-derived additives. Many vegan smokers >conveniently forget this for their own convenience and because they >are unfortunately addicts. Some only smoke vegan American Spirit but >by no means all vegan smokers seem that strict.>>Just because something is legal and allowed, does not make it "OK" >with everyone by any means.>I'll take that as a "no", then.Paul-- ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 You have been set up Lesley ---ignore it -----Original Message----- Lesley Dove [Lesley] 21 June 2003 19:08 RE: Vegan Families Picnic It's Hyde Park, we don't own it. Cigarette smoke is unpleasant as well as unhealthy for children and other non-smokers and most of us don't like it but we can't stop people smoking there, we have no authority to do this. Some of us might be a bit miffed if someone's smoke is bothering us. Most non-smokers are far too polite and tend not to complain, but I am not afraid to stand up for non-smokers' rights. I'd move well out of the way if anyone was smoking near me so I was not downwind of them because it makes me quite ill if I have to breathe it, I would also make it obvious why I was moving away from the person. Please be advised that most of the vegan parents we know do not smoke, and it might be not very popular behaviour. Since most smokers start smoking when they are young due to peer pressure, so if they are in any way susceptible to peer pressure, let's hope it helps them to quit these days with most people being non-smokers now. I thought vegans were usually intelligent and thinking people, so it surprises me that so many people smoke on animal rights marches, presumably many of them vegans. It makes it difficult for me to be on marches with all that smoke blowing around and with so many people marching so close together it may as well be indoors, especially if the wind blows it right at you. The last one we went on I came away all phlegmy and with a thumping headache from it. I never usually get headaches, cigarette smoke is one of the few things that triggers them. I do feel that smoking around children is quite inappropriate behaviour as I believe it's a very bad influence even if they are not being forced to breathe it. Children whose parents smoke are more likely to end up as smokers themselves than those whose parents are non-smokers. It's really bad that my kids' school allows smoking on the school field at the school fete, it's just because a ban is difficult to enforce they say, but I think it would be worthwhile. The school is quite good on the one hand at making kids aware of the dangers of tobacco smoking, they do cover it in the middle school but in my view they are giving mixed messages and helping to normalise it for the children by allowing the smoking parents to smoke at the fete. It's bad that so many parents smoke even in their cars with the kids in there with them, I find that quite upsetting to see, I consider it to be cruel and something the NSPCC should be seriously dealing with. I know from experience that exposing kids to smoke is cruel because I suffered a lot of ill-health as a child because of my mother smoking around me. I know it was the smoke that was the cause of my problems because all my ailments, such as recurrent chest infections/bronchitis, almost constant headaches, mouth ulcers and sore throats, cleared up within a very short time of me leaving home, but I tend to get some symptoms back when I am exposed to cigarette smoke. Some kids get ear infections because their parents smoke, fortunately I didn't suffer this myself. I did feel constantly poisoned, and it was such a relief once I was able to live away from my mum and her smoke. I suspect you probably only asked about how we feel about smoking to be an annoyance to me, because I am fairly well-known for being a very vocal anti-smoking person, I apologise if I am wrong about the reason for you asking, it's just that there have been a few arguments about the smoking issue which I really do not want to keep revisiting. Are you a mate of MrBig by any chance? From a purely vegan point of view, most cigarettes are not vegan, as they contain animal-derived additives. Many vegan smokers conveniently forget this for their own convenience and because they are unfortunately addicts. Some only smoke vegan American Spirit but by no means all vegan smokers seem that strict. Just because something is legal and allowed, does not make it " OK " with everyone by any means. Lesley -----Original Message----- Paul Russell [prussell] 20 June 2003 14:43 Re: Vegan Families Picnic >Come for the Vegan Families Summer Picnic in Hyde Park, >on Sunday 13th July 2003, from 1 pm to 4 pm > >Meet at the Children's playground near Edinburgh Gate. >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf? >x=527614 & y=179844 & z=1 & sv=527750,179750 & st=4 & ar=Y & mapp=newmap.srf & searc >hp=newsearch.srf > >Please bring vegan food and drink to share. > As this is an open air event. will smoking be OK ? 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Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 Yes Lesley -----Original Message----- Lesley Dove [Lesley] 21 June 2003 20:02 RE: Vegan Families Picnic Why were you asking? Is this some silly wind-up? Lesley -----Original Message----- Paul Russell [prussell] 21 June 2003 19:43 RE: Vegan Families Picnic > >It's Hyde Park, we don't own it. Cigarette smoke is unpleasant as >well as unhealthy for children and other non-smokers and most of us >don't like it but we can't stop people smoking there, we have no >authority to do this. Some of us might be a bit miffed if someone's >smoke is bothering us. Most non-smokers are far too polite and tend >not to complain, but I am not afraid to stand up for non-smokers' >rights. I'd move well out of the way if anyone was smoking near me >so I was not downwind of them because it makes me quite ill if I >have to breathe it, I would also make it obvious why I was moving >away from the person. Please be advised that most of the vegan >parents we know do not smoke, and it might be not very popular >behaviour. Since most smokers start smoking when they are young due >to peer pressure, so if they are in any way susceptible to peer >pressure, let's hope it helps them to quit these days with most >people being non-smokers now. I thought vegans were usually >intelligent and thinking people, so it surprises me that so many >people smoke on animal rights marches, presumably many of them >vegans. It makes it difficult for me to be on marches with all that >smoke blowing around and with so many people marching so close >together it may as well be indoors, especially if the wind blows it >right at you. The last one we went on I came away all phlegmy and >with a thumping headache from it. I never usually get headaches, >cigarette smoke is one of the few things that triggers them. > >I do feel that smoking around children is quite inappropriate >behaviour as I believe it's a very bad influence even if they are >not being forced to breathe it. Children whose parents smoke are >more likely to end up as smokers themselves than those whose parents >are non-smokers. It's really bad that my kids' school allows smoking >on the school field at the school fete, it's just because a ban is >difficult to enforce they say, but I think it would be worthwhile. >The school is quite good on the one hand at making kids aware of the >dangers of tobacco smoking, they do cover it in the middle school >but in my view they are giving mixed messages and helping to >normalise it for the children by allowing the smoking parents to >smoke at the fete. It's bad that so many parents smoke even in their >cars with the kids in there with them, I find that quite upsetting >to see, I consider it to be cruel and something the NSPCC should be >seriously dealing with. I know from experience that exposing kids to >smoke is cruel because I suffered a lot of ill-health as a child >because of my mother smoking around me. I know it was the smoke that >was the cause of my problems because all my ailments, such >as recurrent chest infections/bronchitis, almost constant headaches, >mouth ulcers and sore throats, cleared up within a very short time >of me leaving home, but I tend to get some symptoms back when I am >exposed to cigarette smoke. Some kids get ear infections because >their parents smoke, fortunately I didn't suffer this myself. I did >feel constantly poisoned, and it was such a relief once I was able >to live away from my mum and her smoke. > >I suspect you probably only asked about how we feel about smoking to >be an annoyance to me, because I am fairly well-known for being a >very vocal anti-smoking person, I apologise if I am wrong about the >reason for you asking, it's just that there have been a few >arguments about the smoking issue which I really do not want to keep >revisiting. Are you a mate of MrBig by any chance? > >From a purely vegan point of view, most cigarettes are not vegan, as >they contain animal-derived additives. Many vegan smokers >conveniently forget this for their own convenience and because they >are unfortunately addicts. Some only smoke vegan American Spirit but >by no means all vegan smokers seem that strict. > >Just because something is legal and allowed, does not make it " OK " >with everyone by any means. > I'll take that as a " no " , then. 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Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Who is this person anyway, is he a mate of MrBig's do you know? Lesley Angie Wright [angiewright]21 June 2003 22:28 Subject: RE: Vegan Families Picnic Yes Lesley Lesley Dove [Lesley] 21 June 2003 20:02 Subject: RE: Vegan Families Picnic Why were you asking? Is this some silly wind-up? Lesley Paul Russell [prussell]21 June 2003 19:43 Subject: RE: Vegan Families Picnic >>It's Hyde Park, we don't own it. Cigarette smoke is unpleasant as >well as unhealthy for children and other non-smokers and most of us >don't like it but we can't stop people smoking there, we have no >authority to do this. Some of us might be a bit miffed if someone's >smoke is bothering us. Most non-smokers are far too polite and tend >not to complain, but I am not afraid to stand up for non-smokers' >rights. I'd move well out of the way if anyone was smoking near me >so I was not downwind of them because it makes me quite ill if I >have to breathe it, I would also make it obvious why I was moving >away from the person. Please be advised that most of the vegan >parents we know do not smoke, and it might be not very popular >behaviour. Since most smokers start smoking when they are young due >to peer pressure, so if they are in any way susceptible to peer >pressure, let's hope it helps them to quit these days with most >people being non-smokers now. I thought vegans were usually >intelligent and thinking people, so it surprises me that so many >people smoke on animal rights marches, presumably many of them >vegans. It makes it difficult for me to be on marches with all that >smoke blowing around and with so many people marching so close >together it may as well be indoors, especially if the wind blows it >right at you. The last one we went on I came away all phlegmy and >with a thumping headache from it. I never usually get headaches, >cigarette smoke is one of the few things that triggers them.>>I do feel that smoking around children is quite inappropriate >behaviour as I believe it's a very bad influence even if they are >not being forced to breathe it. Children whose parents smoke are >more likely to end up as smokers themselves than those whose parents >are non-smokers. It's really bad that my kids' school allows smoking >on the school field at the school fete, it's just because a ban is >difficult to enforce they say, but I think it would be worthwhile. >The school is quite good on the one hand at making kids aware of the >dangers of tobacco smoking, they do cover it in the middle school >but in my view they are giving mixed messages and helping to >normalise it for the children by allowing the smoking parents to >smoke at the fete. It's bad that so many parents smoke even in their >cars with the kids in there with them, I find that quite upsetting >to see, I consider it to be cruel and something the NSPCC should be >seriously dealing with. I know from experience that exposing kids to >smoke is cruel because I suffered a lot of ill-health as a child >because of my mother smoking around me. I know it was the smoke that >was the cause of my problems because all my ailments, such >as recurrent chest infections/bronchitis, almost constant headaches, >mouth ulcers and sore throats, cleared up within a very short time >of me leaving home, but I tend to get some symptoms back when I am >exposed to cigarette smoke. Some kids get ear infections because >their parents smoke, fortunately I didn't suffer this myself. I did >feel constantly poisoned, and it was such a relief once I was able >to live away from my mum and her smoke.>>I suspect you probably only asked about how we feel about smoking to >be an annoyance to me, because I am fairly well-known for being a >very vocal anti-smoking person, I apologise if I am wrong about the >reason for you asking, it's just that there have been a few >arguments about the smoking issue which I really do not want to keep >revisiting. Are you a mate of MrBig by any chance?>>From a purely vegan point of view, most cigarettes are not vegan, as >they contain animal-derived additives. Many vegan smokers >conveniently forget this for their own convenience and because they >are unfortunately addicts. Some only smoke vegan American Spirit but >by no means all vegan smokers seem that strict.>>Just because something is legal and allowed, does not make it "OK" >with everyone by any means.>I'll take that as a "no", then.Paul-- ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Please take this off-list, as it really doesn't have much to do with everyone else... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 No He?she –can’t recall which , was just making a little joke on the other list and someone dared to ask the question on your list . Just for a bit of fun ! Nothing malicious ,but just to see if you would react , Of course you did .. Ignore it about the 12 year old twins who smoke -they probably don’t even exist -----Original Message----- Lesley Dove [Lesley] 22 June 2003 09:38 RE: Vegan Families Picnic Who is this person anyway, is he a mate of MrBig's do you know? Lesley --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 18/06/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 18/06/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Of course they don't exist and it was just plain silly of me to make a remark like that. It wasn't intended to be malicious. I do the same to my parents who are anti smoking, anti drinking... W xx Angie Wright <angiewright wrote: No He?she –can’t recall which , was just making a little joke on the other list and someone dared to ask the question on your list . Just for a bit of fun ! Nothing malicious ,but just to see if you would react , Of course you did . Ignore it about the 12 year old twins who smoke -they probably don’t even exist Lesley Dove [Lesley] 22 June 2003 09:38 Subject: RE: Vegan Families Picnic Who is this person anyway, is he a mate of MrBig's do you know? Lesley ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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