Apologies

[Guest guest]

Attila.

 

I was very happy to receive your emails. For those of you who don't

know, I'm expecting. I'm not due until April, but I've certainly

thought about the things that will be " expected " - like vaccinations.

I'm convinced that my main health problems are a result of 2 factors:

my prenatal exposures and vaccines. I didn't even put it all together

until David Wolfe's talk at the festival.

 

In any case, I'm thankful to have the reminders of the incredible harm

these vaccines can do.

 

Paula

 

attila madaras wrote:

 

>

>

>

> hello, folks, sorry for the latest

> multiple e-mail re. vaccine, and hope to

> have rather helped informing you than just

> stuffing your mailbox... i met lots of people

> who have had the same experience, and something

> was telling me to find and send these meassages

> out... many of us will have babies soon, and

> will face the terror at some degree... if this

> wasn't the proper channel, please let me know,

> who is coming to the " jubb-event " ... a tt i l a

>

>

>

> Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/20/2003 9:24:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

santbrown writes:

 

> Apologies! It was, I realize now, Genie who recommended the Wellness

> brand of catfood to me ;=) Still having yacking problems, but at least

> it's good quality food that's coming up ;=) It may stop now that (first

> day) he is completely on the Wellness catfood. Fingers crossed ;=)

> Nothing like a bullimic cat - but of course we got him as a rescue and

> we understand that he was literally starved in his previous existence, I

> don't call it a home. We love him excessively.

>

> best,

> pat - canada

>

 

Hi Pat: How long have you been the companion to this cat? If you recently

adopted him and he was starved before, you might try giving him many small

meals throughout the day rather than letting him either " free feed " or eat as

much as he can in a sitting. Just a thought.............

 

Storm

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I must have missed any harsh words Laurie. Hope your family will just accept

your decision. The best thing you can do is show them that you have LOTS of

things to eat and will get all your needs met. Some families just don't

understand being vegetarian and worry for the veggie's health. Don't know your

reasons for switching. If you are really thin you may want to be sure you don't

lose any weight. Sometimes that's a concern. I have always been big and my

family wasn't to worried when i switched. My mom thought she had just gone wrong

with me somewhere. LOL... to funny.

Just be careful, eat lots of fresh good food, and maybe try not to make to big a

deal about it. Kinda lay low for a while. Best of luck to you sweetie. Oh, there

are books that maybe you could share with your family too that would help them

to understand.

peace

nikki

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Laurie

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:15 AM

apologies

 

 

 

Sorry I was a bit harsh the other day. Some family members have been

giving me a hard time about becoming a vegetarian.

 

Laurie

 

 

[Guest guest]

I've been trying not to make a big thing of it. Most of the people in

my everyday life are so openminded that I couldn't phase them if I

tried. Acquaintances don't know me well enough to notice what I eat.

It's the extended family members that I see sporadically who are more

likely to give me a hard time. Mostly they bug me about getting

adequate nutrition, especially protein. That's something I'm taking

to consideration since I'm still new to this. But I refuse to eat

peanut butter when there are healthier alternatives.

 

When I tried to explain the difference between vegetarians and

vegans, one person insisted that eggs are meat. I don't know enough

to refute that. Some say fish are not meat because they're

coldblooded.

 

Then there's the leather issue. Since I didn't become a vegetarian

for reasons relating to animal rights, I don't see how it's relevant.

Truth be told, I have no idea what my shoes are made of.

 

Laurie

[Guest guest]

Eggs: if they have been fertilized, they are baby chick embryos which would

technically make them meat!

 

Laurie <laitaina wrote:I've been trying not to make a big thing of

it. Most of the people in

my everyday life are so openminded that I couldn't phase them if I

tried. Acquaintances don't know me well enough to notice what I eat.

It's the extended family members that I see sporadically who are more

likely to give me a hard time. Mostly they bug me about getting

adequate nutrition, especially protein. That's something I'm taking

to consideration since I'm still new to this. But I refuse to eat

peanut butter when there are healthier alternatives.

 

When I tried to explain the difference between vegetarians and

vegans, one person insisted that eggs are meat. I don't know enough

to refute that. Some say fish are not meat because they're

coldblooded.

 

Then there's the leather issue. Since I didn't become a vegetarian

for reasons relating to animal rights, I don't see how it's relevant.

Truth be told, I have no idea what my shoes are made of.

 

Laurie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Laurie... i tend to tell people that i make up my rules for my own life. If you

gave up meat for health reasons then there is no reason to worry about leather.

The fish debate is to sad. I eat fish now (while living in FL). I don't kid

myself though... cold blooded or warm, it's still alive and feels pain. Just

study up on your nutrition. Peanut butter isn't bad for ya, just has lots of

fat. But, there are GREAT choices for protein that don't involve pb, eggs, etc.

Hang in there and be glad you don't see these people to often )

peace

nikki

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Laurie

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:15 PM

Re: apologies

 

 

I've been trying not to make a big thing of it. Most of the people in

my everyday life are so openminded that I couldn't phase them if I

tried. Acquaintances don't know me well enough to notice what I eat.

It's the extended family members that I see sporadically who are more

likely to give me a hard time. Mostly they bug me about getting

adequate nutrition, especially protein. That's something I'm taking

to consideration since I'm still new to this. But I refuse to eat

peanut butter when there are healthier alternatives.

 

When I tried to explain the difference between vegetarians and

vegans, one person insisted that eggs are meat. I don't know enough

to refute that. Some say fish are not meat because they're

coldblooded.

 

Then there's the leather issue. Since I didn't become a vegetarian

for reasons relating to animal rights, I don't see how it's relevant.

Truth be told, I have no idea what my shoes are made of.

 

Laurie

 

 

[Guest guest]

Most store eggs aren't fertilized. But, if you eat for animal rights eggs aren't

the way to go. I have heard if it (the egg) has a black dot in it it's

fertilized. I just don't eat eggs often once i found out how to make scrambled

tofu that is even better than eggs!!

peace

nikki

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Sheryl Arndt

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:13 PM

Re: Re: apologies

 

 

Eggs: if they have been fertilized, they are baby chick embryos which would

technically make them meat!

 

Laurie <laitaina wrote:I've been trying not to make a big thing

of it. Most of the people in

my everyday life are so openminded that I couldn't phase them if I

tried. Acquaintances don't know me well enough to notice what I eat.

It's the extended family members that I see sporadically who are more

likely to give me a hard time. Mostly they bug me about getting

adequate nutrition, especially protein. That's something I'm taking

to consideration since I'm still new to this. But I refuse to eat

peanut butter when there are healthier alternatives.

 

When I tried to explain the difference between vegetarians and

vegans, one person insisted that eggs are meat. I don't know enough

to refute that. Some say fish are not meat because they're

coldblooded.

 

Then there's the leather issue. Since I didn't become a vegetarian

for reasons relating to animal rights, I don't see how it's relevant.

Truth be told, I have no idea what my shoes are made of.

 

Laurie

 

 

[Guest guest]

Grade A eggs, the kind you find at the grocery store, are not fertilized. They

may not come from happy chickens, but they won't turn into baby chicks. My first

grade teacher found that out the hard and embarrassing way. The principal later

got some eggs from a hatchery.

 

 

[Guest guest]

How do you know if the eggs are fertilized or not?

 

Sara in Toronto

ID: fitgirl1979

~*~*~*~

" God bless those Pagans " - Homer (The Simpson's)

~*~*~*~

 

 

 

 

Eggs: if they have been fertilized, they are baby chick embryos which would

technically make them meat!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You can definitely tell if they are fertilized. My grandmother used to give us

eggs from her chickens and they were all pretty much fertilized and you could

see that black dot thing. It's pretty distinctive, but you're right, none of

them in the store should be fertilized.

 

Dick Ford <dickford wrote:Grade A eggs, the kind you find at the

grocery store, are not fertilized. They may not come from happy chickens, but

they won't turn into baby chicks. My first grade teacher found that out the hard

and embarrassing way. The principal later got some eggs from a hatchery.

 

 

[Guest guest]

You will see a distinctive black " dot " in it. It's bigger than a dot, but you

will know when you see it!

 

" Elgie, Sarah CAR " <sarah.elgie wrote:How do you know if the

eggs are fertilized or not?

 

Sara in Toronto

ID: fitgirl1979

~*~*~*~

" God bless those Pagans " - Homer (The Simpson's)

~*~*~*~

 

 

 

 

Eggs: if they have been fertilized, they are baby chick embryos which would

technically make them meat!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info...

 

Sara in Toronto

ID: fitgirl1979

~*~*~*~

" God bless those Pagans " - Homer (The Simpson's)

~*~*~*~

 

 

 

 

 

You can definitely tell if they are fertilized. My grandmother used to give

us eggs from her chickens and they were all pretty much fertilized and you

could see that black dot thing. It's pretty distinctive, but you're right,

none of them in the store should be fertilized.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

Someone has just pointed out that a new spam filter I'm trying out has been

sending annoying messages to the list.

 

Apologies for this, and I've turned it off for the time being until I can

work out how to stop it.

 

Cheers,

 

John

[Guest guest]

Hi John

 

> Someone has just pointed out that a new spam filter I'm trying out has

been

> sending annoying messages to the list.

> Apologies for this, and I've turned it off for the time being until I can

> work out how to stop it.

 

It looks like only the one message, so not a major problem... not like the

incident on another list I run where someone put an " out of office " response

on which sent an e-mail to the list every time they received an e-mail from

the list, to tell us that they weren't there. It created a

message-feedback-loop, and we had over 1600 of them in under an hour! I'm

just glad that we got to it within the hour, otherwise it could have reached

the tens of thousands!

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Grin.

 

We used to get those loops at work on occasion as well...Our computers sent

and received once every two minutes, and always sent out auto-responses, so

if someone else had the same set-up they'd send thousands of messages to

each other. Our record was over 100,000 emails in a weekend. After which we

got a rather nasty email from our server host company!

 

John

 

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" Peter " <metalscarab

 

Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:59 PM

Re: Apologies

 

 

> Hi John

>

> > Someone has just pointed out that a new spam filter I'm trying out has

> been

> > sending annoying messages to the list.

> > Apologies for this, and I've turned it off for the time being until I

can

> > work out how to stop it.

>

> It looks like only the one message, so not a major problem... not like the

> incident on another list I run where someone put an " out of office "

response

> on which sent an e-mail to the list every time they received an e-mail

from

> the list, to tell us that they weren't there. It created a

> message-feedback-loop, and we had over 1600 of them in under an hour! I'm

> just glad that we got to it within the hour, otherwise it could have

reached

> the tens of thousands!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I didn't mean to send that to all.

Take care, maybe I'll see you at a potluck.

 

Cathy

[Guest guest]

Just a quick note to all that have a hard time remaining calm when discussing

conflicting ideas, letting oneself get upset over ideas in which they don't

believe is harmful to the health and a waste of time.

It's been scientifically proven that stress, angry words, and negative attitudes

all acidify the body. This isn't hocus-pocus.  Stress releases cortisol,

cortisol causes 'fight and flight' response.  Cortisol also is responsible for

our body storing fat in the belly area in case we are experiencing

life-threatening famine (our body responds this way to angry and negative

attitudes), which in return causes us to become inable to use glucose as our

primary source of food as the belly fat causes us to become insulin resistant. 

It's a big cycle of unhealthy mental and physical living/reactions. 

It is always good to be open to others and also, to take things in perspective,

but 'knocking' others isn't appropriate and is quite damaging to oneself. 

Relax, take things in stride and understand that you only can control your own

life, not others, and only we can control how we let others affect/effect us.

(both apply).

 

Peace out.

 

Love,

Monica

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Angry Mary!

 

You deleted your angry post? Say it isn't so! Angry posts are my favorite -

they're usually good for a giggle. However did I miss it? Oh well, have a most

excellent day!

 

Peace on earth.

 

Cheryl

 

 

-

Mary Jane Sparling<mjsparling

< >

Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM

apologies

 

 

" Angry " Mary has deleted her " angry " posts. ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I misunderstood the purpose of this group.

I realize that discussion CAN get out of hand,

so I apologize if some line was crossed.

 

 

, " ~ PT ~ " <patchouli_troll wrote:

>

> You are not out of hand at all, Audrey.

> Speaking as this group's owner, you express my

> sentiments exactly.

> Any further debate of this topic should go offlist.

> We are not here to harm eachother with out words

> just because we may feel our opinions must be heard.

>

> TFV list is a list where many different types of vegetarians

> can come together and share in the spirit of kindness.

> Oh, and for the poster that asked in a previous post if

> this list was envisioned as a recipe sharing group, yes

> it is. TFV is a group set up to encourage and to share

> wonderful vegetarian recipes. If you want a vegetarian

> debate forum, there are plenty out there. I will not let this

> group be overtaken as a debate forum. Thank you.

>

> ~ PT ~

> *moderator*