Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Just had to witness one of the dogs I walk for someone at lunchtime maul a rabbit. By the time I had got the dog to come to me the rabbit was writhing helplessly and I could not face up to killing it and just had to watch it die. No longer want to walk the dogs but do not want to let down the owners as I said I would walk them at least until the end of October. Experience has stirred up a all load of vegan issues and is even challenging some of my friendships with meat eaters. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 It's in a dog's nature to chase small animals... indypendypuss [simplyveganish] 01 September 2004 16:04 Death of a wild rabbit Just had to witness one of the dogs I walk for someone at lunchtime maul a rabbit. By the time I had got the dog to come to me the rabbit was writhing helplessly and I could not face up to killing it and just had to watch it die. No longer want to walk the dogs but do not want to let down the owners as I said I would walk them at least until the end of October. Experience has stirred up a all load of vegan issues and is even challenging some of my friendships with meat eaters. Andrew ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 , " Nikki Qureshi " <nicolaqureshi@t...> wrote: > It's in a dog's nature to chase small animals... > Did you honestly think I did not know that ! Does it make you feel any better watching an animal suffer ? Must admit I expected more than a smart Alec - sorry nikki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 No but I don't understand how it causes a problem with your friends. Or challenges your views? indypendypuss [simplyveganish] 01 September 2004 16:17 Re: Death of a wild rabbit , " Nikki Qureshi " <nicolaqureshi@t...> wrote: > It's in a dog's nature to chase small animals... > Did you honestly think I did not know that ! Does it make you feel any better watching an animal suffer ? Must admit I expected more than a smart Alec - sorry nikki. ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Is there any way you could be sure that it wouldn't happen again, so you would still be willing to walk the dogs? You could always keep them on a leash, or walk in a different place perhaps. Our dog likes to chase rabbits, but she's too slow to catch a healthy one. We have come across rabbits which are obviously diseased, but she has left them alone. Elizabeth --- On Wed 09/01, indypendypuss < simplyveganish > wrote: indypendypuss [ simplyveganish] Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:03:30 -0000 Death of a wild rabbit Just had to witness one of the dogs I walk for someone at lunchtime <br>maul a rabbit. By the time I had got the dog to come to me the rabbit <br>was writhing helplessly and I could not face up to killing it and <br>just had to watch it die.<br><br>No longer want to walk the dogs but do not want to let down the <br>owners as I said I would walk them at least until the end of October.<br><br>Experience has stirred up a all load of vegan issues and is even <br>challenging some of my friendships with meat eaters.<br><br>Andrew< _____________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 And my apologies, I didn't mean to be so insensitive. ( indypendypuss [simplyveganish] 01 September 2004 16:17 Re: Death of a wild rabbit , " Nikki Qureshi " <nicolaqureshi@t...> wrote: > It's in a dog's nature to chase small animals... > Did you honestly think I did not know that ! Does it make you feel any better watching an animal suffer ? Must admit I expected more than a smart Alec - sorry nikki. ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 , " Nikki Qureshi " <nicolaqureshi@t...> wrote: > No but I don't understand how it causes a problem with your > friends. Or > In my view a lot of people eat meat because the " death " which lies behind the livestock industry is so heavily sanitised. Despite being an animal lover all my life I myself did not become a vegetarian until I ended an issue based career and other external issues rose to the surface. I did not really appreciate the implications of the milk business until visiting New zealand and seeing the bobby calves in their crates by the side of the road. So the death of the rabbit made me think of the death of those animals at slaughter houses and then my friends who are able to block it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 You can't let it get to you so easily. You'll drive yourself nuts! I know what it's like, thoughts fly around and around in my head as regards vegan issues. Whilst I feel I should not force my morals upon people I also feel there are cases when this has to be done (that's what laws against murder, rape and paedophilia do) and why shouldn't the murder of animals be one of them? The problem is if I went around enforcing that; nobody would want to know me! I just have to keep doing my little bit and change peoples minds one tiny step at a time. This is how I manage to live with it. ) (I hope that made some sense!) indypendypuss [simplyveganish] 01 September 2004 16:38 Re: Death of a wild rabbit , " Nikki Qureshi " <nicolaqureshi@t...> wrote: > No but I don't understand how it causes a problem with your > friends. Or > In my view a lot of people eat meat because the " death " which lies behind the livestock industry is so heavily sanitised. Despite being an animal lover all my life I myself did not become a vegetarian until I ended an issue based career and other external issues rose to the surface. I did not really appreciate the implications of the milk business until visiting New zealand and seeing the bobby calves in their crates by the side of the road. So the death of the rabbit made me think of the death of those animals at slaughter houses and then my friends who are able to block it out. ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 , " Elizabeth Beesley " <elizabeth_beesley@m...> wrote: > > Is there any way you could be sure that it wouldn't happen again, > so you would still be willing to walk the dogs? You could always > keep them on a leash, or walk in a different place perhaps. Keeping her on a leash would not really be viable for a year old labrador who is very hyper. Would need to drive them to a large public park (four miles away) which is where their previous walker took them but do not want to do that. In the National Trust woodland where I walk them a young fawn was recently killed by a dog and I would be even more upset if that happens. I do hold somewhat strong views about people keeping meat eating pets and this challenges the compromise of my own principles in order to earn some income. > > Our dog likes to chase rabbits, but she's too slow to catch a > healthy one. The five year old labrador is also too slow Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 , " Nikki Qureshi " <nicolaqureshi@t...> wrote: > And my apologies, I didn't mean to be so insensitive. ( > it's ok - I am oversensitive :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Sorry you had to experience that Andrew. I can imagine how upsetting it was. Just think, some people do this as a " sport " or for " dinner " . Janey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 , " veganjaney " <jane@t...> wrote: > Just think, some people do this as a " sport " or for " dinner " . Some people love to kill animals and watch them die. I think we are very far from a Vegan world yet. Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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