Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 >i guess it could be a similar vegetarian >supplement for joints for humans as the first is the >same but i'm not aware of any... Two I've found useful are tincture of Devil's Claw and also MSM. Please check that they're safe for dogs to eat before you try 'em though. Is it true that dogs can die from eating chocolate? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hi James, My dogs are vegan, and I was worried about putting them onto a vegan diet. But afriend of mine worked as an animal welfare officer for the RSPCA (yes I know) claimed that a diet of fresh vegan food is the best thing a dog can have, and as far as I know the oldest two dogs on record are both vegan. My vets at the time said that there was no reason to suspect a balanced vegan diet would do any harm, the vegan pet food companies I contacted said their animals thrived on it, and all the vegans who I asked said the same thing. So they have been vegan now for several years, and are praised by the vet for how healthy they are for their breed each time I go in. Oh, and I gave them a choice between a vegan and a non-vegan food when I first got them and weaned them off Iams, and they went for the vegan food, so they like the taste as well. So unless your dog is ill in some way, I'd say that in my experience a vegan diet seems great for them. Just make sure you either feed them a complete dog food, or, if you're going to feed them on fresh food, take the time to ensure that the diet is giving them everything they need. (I use a moistened complete dry food.) I don't know of any non-vegie sources offering comparisons, but if it helps, www.veggiepets.com is a pretty reputable source of both pet food and information. John Ps: Yes, I get rejection messages every time I post here too, though the emails seem to get through anyway! - " James Hodgskiss " <james Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:09 PM Dogs I've just got a dog, and want to find out if a vegan diet is suitable for it. Our homeopathic vet says she sees a couple of vegan dogs, but says even though vegan dogs tend to live as long as meat-eating dogs, from her experience they don't seem to appear as healthy (e.g., not as shiny coats) as other dogs. Does anyone know of any independant (i.e., not veggie-orientated) resources on the web where I can find out more info. Cheers, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hi John, Charlie quite likes Ami which I get from Veggiepets, but I can't help thinking fresh would be better. Do you have an recommendations in that area? MTIA Mike On Behalf Of John Davis 16 February 2006 09:34 Re: Dogs Hi James, My dogs are vegan, and I was worried about putting them onto a vegan diet. But afriend of mine worked as an animal welfare officer for the RSPCA (yes I know) claimed that a diet of fresh vegan food is the best thing a dog can have, and as far as I know the oldest two dogs on record are both vegan. My vets at the time said that there was no reason to suspect a balanced vegan diet would do any harm, the vegan pet food companies I contacted said their animals thrived on it, and all the vegans who I asked said the same thing. So they have been vegan now for several years, and are praised by the vet for how healthy they are for their breed each time I go in. Oh, and I gave them a choice between a vegan and a non-vegan food when I first got them and weaned them off Iams, and they went for the vegan food, so they like the taste as well. So unless your dog is ill in some way, I'd say that in my experience a vegan diet seems great for them. Just make sure you either feed them a complete dog food, or, if you're going to feed them on fresh food, take the time to ensure that the diet is giving them everything they need. (I use a moistened complete dry food.) I don't know of any non-vegie sources offering comparisons, but if it helps, www.veggiepets.com is a pretty reputable source of both pet food and information. John Ps: Yes, I get rejection messages every time I post here too, though the emails seem to get through anyway! - " James Hodgskiss " <james Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:09 PM Dogs I've just got a dog, and want to find out if a vegan diet is suitable for it. Our homeopathic vet says she sees a couple of vegan dogs, but says even though vegan dogs tend to live as long as meat-eating dogs, from her experience they don't seem to appear as healthy (e.g., not as shiny coats) as other dogs. Does anyone know of any independant (i.e., not veggie-orientated) resources on the web where I can find out more info. Cheers, James ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard. --------------------------- Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> Un: send a blank message to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hi Mike, I'm afraid I feed mine on a complete dried food (Wafcol vegetarian, which happens to be vegan as well), not on fresh food, though I do moisten the biscuits a little as dried food can apparently lead to liver complaints later in life. If I recall, the fresh food advocated was along the lines of rice and vegetables. But personally I wouldn't try it without knowing more about exactly what they need, and I'm sure there are probably books or articles out there on fresh diets for dogs somewhere. Perhaps posting the question at veganvillage might help - I got a lot of advice on vegan dog foods from there when I was looking into it. Sorry I can't be of more help, John - " Michael Benis " <michaelbenis Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:09 AM RE: Dogs > Hi John, > > Charlie quite likes Ami which I get from Veggiepets, but I can't help > thinking fresh would be better. Do you have an recommendations in that area? > > MTIA > > Mike > > > On Behalf Of > John Davis > 16 February 2006 09:34 > > Re: Dogs > > Hi James, > > My dogs are vegan, and I was worried about putting them onto a vegan diet. > But afriend of mine worked as an animal welfare officer for the RSPCA (yes I > know) claimed that a diet of fresh vegan food is the best thing a dog can > have, and as far as I know the oldest two dogs on record are both vegan. My > vets at the time said that there was no reason to suspect a balanced vegan > diet would do any harm, the vegan pet food companies I contacted said their > animals thrived on it, and all the vegans who I asked said the same thing. > > So they have been vegan now for several years, and are praised by the vet > for how healthy they are for their breed each time I go in. Oh, and I gave > them a choice between a vegan and a non-vegan food when I first got them and > weaned them off Iams, and they went for the vegan food, so they like the > taste as well. > > So unless your dog is ill in some way, I'd say that in my experience a vegan > diet seems great for them. Just make sure you either feed them a complete > dog food, or, if you're going to feed them on fresh food, take the time to > ensure that the diet is giving them everything they need. (I use a moistened > complete dry food.) > > I don't know of any non-vegie sources offering comparisons, but if it helps, > www.veggiepets.com is a pretty reputable source of both pet food and > information. > > John > Ps: Yes, I get rejection messages every time I post here too, though the > emails seem to get through anyway! > > > - > " James Hodgskiss " <james > > Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:09 PM > Dogs > > > I've just got a dog, and want to find out if a vegan diet is suitable for > it. > > Our homeopathic vet says she sees a couple of vegan dogs, but says even > though vegan dogs tend to live as long as meat-eating dogs, from her > experience they don't seem to appear as healthy (e.g., not as shiny coats) > as other dogs. > > Does anyone know of any independant (i.e., not veggie-orientated) resources > on the web where I can find out more info. > > Cheers, > James > > > > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, > there may be another side to the story you have not heard. > --------------------------- > Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline> > Un: send a blank message to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Your not alone, aint fab and has its off days, either that or Big Brother is watching! The Valley Vegan.................James Hodgskiss <james wrote: Does anyone else get delivery failures when they email ? - or is it just me?!... Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Cheers Mike, Have you got any other good links like that? Regards James - Michael Benis Monday, February 27, 2006 12:16 PM RE: Dogs and RSPCA It is important to make sure your dog gets L-carnitine, especially if it isbig and old. See http://www.vegepets.info/pages/vegetarian_canine_diets.htmamongst others.CheersMike On Behalf OfJohn Davis27 February 2006 11:58 Subject: Re: Dogs and RSPCAHi,The RSPCA is certainly not without its faults. As someone mentioned, thereis the hypocrisy of their considering some animals there to be helped andsaved, and others merely as food. There is their 'freedom foods' welfarescheme for farm animals, which suggests that it is all right to eat andabuse them so long as their conditions meet some rudimentary requirements.There is the fact that until recently it was acceptable for pro-hunters tosit on their board. There is the fact that their shelters are not no-kill,and their officers often quick to euthenise before considering all otheroptions.However. All of that said, they are the biggest and most widely recognisedanimal welfare society in the UK. They are a powerful lobby serving to keepanimal welfare issues in the public eye, they put a lot of effort intoprosecuting those who are cruel to animals, and they do a lot of good for alot of animals.So personally, I tend to be of the opinion that, overall, they do more harmthan good. I also support the WWF for similar reasons. But they arecertainly not perfect, and there is a case to be made for the argument that,as they are seen as the country's primary 'voice for animals', the fact thatthey think it acceptable for some animals to be used for produce and as fooddoes a great deal of harm to the animal rights and welfare movements.John-"gushoneybungirl" <gushoneybungirlFriday, February 24, 2006 8:58 PMRe: Dogs and RSPCA> I am really delighted to hear that dogs do so well on a Vegan diet! Mypets are vegan too.. but then again... they are rabbits :-) So, your friendworks for the RSPCA... I was just wondering, why is it that a good number ofvegans and people involved in animal rights 'have it in' for the RSPCA? I'mreally open-minded and would just be really interested to know what othersthink, and why.>> S-J>> John Davis <mcxg46 wrote:> Hi James,>> My dogs are vegan, and I was worried about putting them onto a vegan diet.> But afriend of mine worked as an animal welfare officer for the RSPCA (yesI> know) claimed that a diet of fresh vegan food is the best thing a dog can> have, and as far as I know the oldest two dogs on record are both vegan.My> vets at the time said that there was no reason to suspect a balanced vegan> diet would do any harm, the vegan pet food companies I contacted saidtheir> animals thrived on it, and all the vegans who I asked said the same thing.>> So they have been vegan now for several years, and are praised by the vet> for how healthy they are for their breed each time I go in. Oh, and I gave> them a choice between a vegan and a non-vegan food when I first got themand> weaned them off Iams, and they went for the vegan food, so they like the> taste as well.>> So unless your dog is ill in some way, I'd say that in my experience avegan> diet seems great for them. Just make sure you either feed them a complete> dog food, or, if you're going to feed them on fresh food, take the time to> ensure that the diet is giving them everything they need. (I use amoistened> complete dry food.)>> I don't know of any non-vegie sources offering comparisons, but if ithelps,> www.veggiepets.com is a pretty reputable source of both pet food and> information.>> John> Ps: Yes, I get rejection messages every time I post here too, though the> emails seem to get through anyway!>>> - > "James Hodgskiss"> To:> Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:09 PM> Dogs>>> I've just got a dog, and want to find out if a vegan diet is suitable for> it.>> Our homeopathic vet says she sees a couple of vegan dogs, but says even> though vegan dogs tend to live as long as meat-eating dogs, from her> experience they don't seem to appear as healthy (e.g., not as shiny coats)> as other dogs.>> Does anyone know of any independant (i.e., not veggie-orientated)resources> on the web where I can find out more info.>> Cheers,> James>>>> ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author,> there may be another side to the story you have not heard.> ---------------------------> Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Guidelines: visit> Un: send a blank message to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 That's the best one, but there's a good series of postings at http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-17357.html as well (also see earlier threads linked from within that one) , plus a few helpful recommendations at the boottom of http://www.spiritessence.com/index.php?action=library & act=show & item=easyhomemadedietsforcatsanddogs Cheers Mike On Behalf Of James Hodgskiss28 February 2006 10:44 Subject: Re: Dogs Cheers Mike, Have you got any other good links like that? Regards James - Michael Benis Monday, February 27, 2006 12:16 PM RE: Dogs and RSPCA It is important to make sure your dog gets L-carnitine, especially if it isbig and old. See http://www.vegepets.info/pages/vegetarian_canine_diets.htmamongst others.CheersMike On Behalf OfJohn Davis27 February 2006 11:58 Subject: Re: Dogs and RSPCAHi,The RSPCA is certainly not without its faults. As someone mentioned, thereis the hypocrisy of their considering some animals there to be helped andsaved, and others merely as food. There is their 'freedom foods' welfarescheme for farm animals, which suggests that it is all right to eat andabuse them so long as their conditions meet some rudimentary requirements.There is the fact that until recently it was acceptable for pro-hunters tosit on their board. There is the fact that their shelters are not no-kill,and their officers often quick to euthenise before considering all otheroptions.However. All of that said, they are the biggest and most widely recognisedanimal welfare society in the UK. They are a powerful lobby serving to keepanimal welfare issues in the public eye, they put a lot of effort intoprosecuting those who are cruel to animals, and they do a lot of good for alot of animals.So personally, I tend to be of the opinion that, overall, they do more harmthan good. I also support the WWF for similar reasons. But they arecertainly not perfect, and there is a case to be made for the argument that,as they are seen as the country's primary 'voice for animals', the fact thatthey think it acceptable for some animals to be used for produce and as fooddoes a great deal of harm to the animal rights and welfare movements.John-"gushoneybungirl" <gushoneybungirlFriday, February 24, 2006 8:58 PMRe: Dogs and RSPCA> I am really delighted to hear that dogs do so well on a Vegan diet! Mypets are vegan too.. but then again... they are rabbits :-) So, your friendworks for the RSPCA... I was just wondering, why is it that a good number ofvegans and people involved in animal rights 'have it in' for the RSPCA? I'mreally open-minded and would just be really interested to know what othersthink, and why.>> S-J>> John Davis <mcxg46 wrote:> Hi James,>> My dogs are vegan, and I was worried about putting them onto a vegan diet.> But afriend of mine worked as an animal welfare officer for the RSPCA (yesI> know) claimed that a diet of fresh vegan food is the best thing a dog can> have, and as far as I know the oldest two dogs on record are both vegan.My> vets at the time said that there was no reason to suspect a balanced vegan> diet would do any harm, the vegan pet food companies I contacted saidtheir> animals thrived on it, and all the vegans who I asked said the same thing.>> So they have been vegan now for several years, and are praised by the vet> for how healthy they are for their breed each time I go in. Oh, and I gave> them a choice between a vegan and a non-vegan food when I first got themand> weaned them off Iams, and they went for the vegan food, so they like the> taste as well.>> So unless your dog is ill in some way, I'd say that in my experience avegan> diet seems great for them. Just make sure you either feed them a complete> dog food, or, if you're going to feed them on fresh food, take the time to> ensure that the diet is giving them everything they need. (I use amoistened> complete dry food.)>> I don't know of any non-vegie sources offering comparisons, but if ithelps,> www.veggiepets.com is a pretty reputable source of both pet food and> information.>> John> Ps: Yes, I get rejection messages every time I post here too, though the> emails seem to get through anyway!>>> - > "James Hodgskiss"> To:> Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:09 PM> Dogs>>> I've just got a dog, and want to find out if a vegan diet is suitable for> it.>> Our homeopathic vet says she sees a couple of vegan dogs, but says even> though vegan dogs tend to live as long as meat-eating dogs, from her> experience they don't seem to appear as healthy (e.g., not as shiny coats)> as other dogs.>> Does anyone know of any independant (i.e., not veggie-orientated)resources> on the web where I can find out more info.>> Cheers,> James>>>> ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author,> there may be another side to the story you have not heard.> ---------------------------> Was this message Off Topic? 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