Yet another sell-out: Linda McCartney and Nestle

April 21, 2006

It looks like Heinz is going to sell the Linda McCartney brand to one

of the most evil multinationals on the planet, Nestlé: <http://

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/19/

nlinda19.xml & sSheet=/news/2006/04/19/ixhome.html>.

Paul

April 21, 2006

Sorry - the link got mangled - it should be: <http://

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/19/%

20nlinda19.xml & sSheet=/news/2006/04/19/ixhome.html>.

Paul

On 21 Apr 2006, at 08:18, Paul Russell wrote:

> It looks like Heinz is going to sell the Linda McCartney brand to one

> of the most evil multinationals on the planet, Nestlé: <http://

> www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/19/

> nlinda19.xml & sSheet=/news/2006/04/19/ixhome.html>.

>

> Paul

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April 21, 2006

A lot of the brands products was never vegan originally, and hardly any ( if any is now anyway), mind you you could say the same of the body shop?.another road paved with good intentions! The Valley Vegan..............Paul Russell <prussell wrote: It looks like Heinz is going to sell the Linda McCartney brand to one of the most evil multinationals on the planet, Nestlé: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/19/ nlinda19.xml & sSheet=/news/2006/04/19/ixhome.html>.Paul~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not

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April 21, 2006

Hi,

Speaking of the Body Shop, did anyone else see the interview with the owner

of The Body Shop about it being taken over? She was saying that Loriel (it

was Loriel, right?) wanted the Body Shop brand because they wanted to show

that they were more ethically aware, and wanted to learn from the Body Shop.

And she, in turn, hoped that this would be an opportunity to take the Body

Shop's views and apply them to a larger company, not vice versa.

Of course, that could have been her attempting to assuage her guilt for

selling out for shed-loads of cash. But she did have the vision of an

ethical cosmetics company in the High Street before anyone else, and made it

so. So who knows, perhaps she is right on this one too.

John

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" peter hurd " <swpgh01

Friday, April 21, 2006 8:38 AM

Re: Yet another sell-out: Linda McCartney and Nestle

> A lot of the brands products was never vegan originally, and hardly any

( if any is now anyway), mind you you could say the same of the body

shop?.another road paved with good intentions!

>

> The Valley Vegan..............

April 21, 2006

Yes, it's L'Oreal, but I'm afraid I take the cynical view that this

is a " sell out " by the Bidy SHop rather than a case of L'Oreal buying

in to the principles of ethical products.

There have been a whole string of sell-outs by ethical companies

recently - I guess the only scrap of comfort that one can take from

this is that the ethical market is now substantial enough to make it

of interest to the big multinationals.

Paul

On 21 Apr 2006, at 09:14, John Davis wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Speaking of the Body Shop, did anyone else see the interview with

> the owner

> of The Body Shop about it being taken over? She was saying that

> Loriel (it

> was Loriel, right?) wanted the Body Shop brand because they wanted

> to show

> that they were more ethically aware, and wanted to learn from the

> Body Shop.

> And she, in turn, hoped that this would be an opportunity to take

> the Body

> Shop's views and apply them to a larger company, not vice versa.

>

> Of course, that could have been her attempting to assuage her guilt

> for

> selling out for shed-loads of cash. But she did have the vision of an

> ethical cosmetics company in the High Street before anyone else,

> and made it

> so. So who knows, perhaps she is right on this one too.

>

> John

> -

> " peter hurd " <swpgh01

>

> Friday, April 21, 2006 8:38 AM

> Re: Yet another sell-out: Linda McCartney and

> Nestle

>

>> A lot of the brands products was never vegan originally, and

>> hardly any

> ( if any is now anyway), mind you you could say the same of the body

> shop?.another road paved with good intentions!

>>

>> The Valley Vegan..............

>

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April 21, 2006

Some of the Linda McCartney products are vegan, although there have

been times when this was not the case - the brand has been through

several owners over the years. I used to buy the Deep Country Pies,

but obviously won't be doing so any more if the Nestlé buy-out goes

ahead.

Paul

On 21 Apr 2006, at 08:38, peter hurd wrote:

> A lot of the brands products was never vegan originally, and hardly

> any ( if any is now anyway), mind you you could say the same of the

> body shop?.another road paved with good intentions!

>

> The Valley Vegan..............

>

> Paul Russell <prussell wrote:

> It looks like Heinz is going to sell the Linda McCartney brand to one

> of the most evil multinationals on the planet, Nestlé:

> www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/19/

> nlinda19.xml & sSheet=/news/2006/04/19/ixhome.html>.

>

> Paul

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April 21, 2006

Hi,

I think that a point worth considering with all these ethical companies now

purchased by bigger ones (and Ecover and Green & Blacks need to be added to

the list I think), is the principle of rewarding a company with one's

business...

There is a near infinite amount of suffering in the world. Buying a few less

eggs and a bit less meat really makes next to no impact on that, though it

makes us feel better. Therefore, when we are not buying animal products, we

as much making a point as making any tangible difference - we are saying to

the supermarkets/multinational companies that there is a demand for

non-dairy products, and less demand for meat. Which is why many people argue

that even though Lord Sainsbury is certainly not a nice chap, there is

something to be said for buying vegan products from his store.

By extension, then, by continuing to purchase Body Shop products from

L'Oreal, or what vegan McCartney products there are from Nestle, we are

encouraging them to continue to make vegan/ethical products. By boycotting

them when they sell ethical products just as we did when they didn't sell

ethical products, we are providing them with no incentive to sell ethical

products.

Punish them when they do bad, sure. But shouldn't the other side of that

coin be rewarding them when they do good?

John

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" Paul Russell " <prussell

Friday, April 21, 2006 9:23 AM

Re: Yet another sell-out: Linda McCartney and Nestle

Some of the Linda McCartney products are vegan, although there have

been times when this was not the case - the brand has been through

several owners over the years. I used to buy the Deep Country Pies,

but obviously won't be doing so any more if the Nestlé buy-out goes

ahead.

Paul

On 21 Apr 2006, at 08:38, peter hurd wrote:

> A lot of the brands products was never vegan originally, and hardly

> any ( if any is now anyway), mind you you could say the same of the

> body shop?.another road paved with good intentions!

>

> The Valley Vegan..............

>

> Paul Russell <prussell wrote:

> It looks like Heinz is going to sell the Linda McCartney brand to one

> of the most evil multinationals on the planet, Nestlé:

> www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/19/

> nlinda19.xml & sSheet=/news/2006/04/19/ixhome.html>.

>

> Paul

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April 21, 2006

I think Ecover is privately owned these days (someone bought it from

Group 4 a few years back ?). But yes, Green & Blacks are one of the

ethical companies who recently sold out.

You make a good point though, about boycotts. I'd tend to agree in

general, but not in the case of Nestlé, who are one of the worst

multinationals on the planet, and against whom there has been a long-

running organised boycott.

Paul

On 21 Apr 2006, at 09:42, John Davis wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I think that a point worth considering with all these ethical

> companies now

> purchased by bigger ones (and Ecover and Green & Blacks need to be

> added to

> the list I think), is the principle of rewarding a company with one's

> business...

>

> There is a near infinite amount of suffering in the world. Buying a

> few less

> eggs and a bit less meat really makes next to no impact on that,

> though it

> makes us feel better. Therefore, when we are not buying animal

> products, we

> as much making a point as making any tangible difference - we are

> saying to

> the supermarkets/multinational companies that there is a demand for

> non-dairy products, and less demand for meat. Which is why many

> people argue

> that even though Lord Sainsbury is certainly not a nice chap, there is

> something to be said for buying vegan products from his store.

>

> By extension, then, by continuing to purchase Body Shop products from

> L'Oreal, or what vegan McCartney products there are from Nestle, we

> are

> encouraging them to continue to make vegan/ethical products. By

> boycotting

> them when they sell ethical products just as we did when they

> didn't sell

> ethical products, we are providing them with no incentive to sell

> ethical

> products.

>

> Punish them when they do bad, sure. But shouldn't the other side of

> that

> coin be rewarding them when they do good?

>

> John

>

> -

> " Paul Russell " <prussell

>

> Friday, April 21, 2006 9:23 AM

> Re: Yet another sell-out: Linda McCartney and

> Nestle

>

> Some of the Linda McCartney products are vegan, although there have

> been times when this was not the case - the brand has been through

> several owners over the years. I used to buy the Deep Country Pies,

> but obviously won't be doing so any more if the Nestlé buy-out goes

> ahead.

>

> Paul

>

> On 21 Apr 2006, at 08:38, peter hurd wrote:

>

>> A lot of the brands products was never vegan originally, and hardly

>> any ( if any is now anyway), mind you you could say the same of the

>> body shop?.another road paved with good intentions!

>>

>> The Valley Vegan..............

>>

>> Paul Russell <prussell wrote:

>> It looks like Heinz is going to sell the Linda McCartney brand to one

>> of the most evil multinationals on the planet, Nestlé:

>> www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/19/

>> nlinda19.xml & sSheet=/news/2006/04/19/ixhome.html>.

>>

>> Paul

>>

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April 21, 2006

Can't help but agree. Though I've been getting increasingly cynical about

the BS over the years anyway.

You back over on this side of the Pond now?

On Behalf Of

Paul Russell

21 April 2006 09:22

Re: Yet another sell-out: Linda McCartney and Nestle

Yes, it's L'Oreal, but I'm afraid I take the cynical view that this is a

" sell out " by the Bidy SHop rather than a case of L'Oreal buying in to the

principles of ethical products.

There have been a whole string of sell-outs by ethical companies recently -

I guess the only scrap of comfort that one can take from this is that the

ethical market is now substantial enough to make it of interest to the big

multinationals.

Paul

On 21 Apr 2006, at 09:14, John Davis wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Speaking of the Body Shop, did anyone else see the interview with the

> owner of The Body Shop about it being taken over? She was saying that

> Loriel (it was Loriel, right?) wanted the Body Shop brand because they

> wanted to show that they were more ethically aware, and wanted to

> learn from the Body Shop.

> And she, in turn, hoped that this would be an opportunity to take the

> Body Shop's views and apply them to a larger company, not vice versa.

>

> Of course, that could have been her attempting to assuage her guilt

> for selling out for shed-loads of cash. But she did have the vision of

> an ethical cosmetics company in the High Street before anyone else,

> and made it so. So who knows, perhaps she is right on this one too.

>

> John

> -

> " peter hurd " <swpgh01

>

> Friday, April 21, 2006 8:38 AM

> Re: Yet another sell-out: Linda McCartney and

> Nestle

>

>> A lot of the brands products was never vegan originally, and hardly

>> any

> ( if any is now anyway), mind you you could say the same of the body

> shop?.another road paved with good intentions!

>>

>> The Valley Vegan..............

>

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April 21, 2006

Hmmm. Because we're all worth it, presumably.... Some lovely non-vegan

ingredients in some of those L'Oreal endless youth products....

On Behalf Of

John Davis

21 April 2006 09:15