Animal Experimentation documentary on BBC2 at 9pm tonight...

[Guest guest]

...sounds like it's a good one!

 

Could make for a good discussion!...

 

Lesley Dove wrote:

>

>

> Has anyone looked into their Myers-Briggs type?

>

> I used to come out on it as ENFJ, but I more recently did it and got ESFJ,

> which is also OK with me.

>

> I'm not a number 4 anyway, I'm sure of that, although might well come

> across

> that way among omnivores. It's not how I am among vegans.

>

> Lesley

>

>

> <%40>

> [ <%40>] On

> Behalf Of

> Jo Kimberley

> 26 November 2006 07:45

> <%40>

> Re: Re: Not cheezly/ignorance is not bliss......

>

> I'm a mix between no 2 & 3 depending on my mood and what time of day its

> etc

>

> Why would the no 4's be interested in joining a group specifically created

> for social reasons?

> (Maybe you should rename your group " Don't expect too much conversation as

> we're thoughtful, quiet vegans " ( or make it clear to people)

> then people looking for friendly,sociable vegans may have second thoughts

> about going

>

> I find there are quite a lot of no 4 personality types,

>

> >-- Original Message --

> > <%40>

> >James H <james <james%40telestial.org>>

> >Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:08:58 +0000

> >Re: Re: Not cheezly/ignorance is not bliss......

> > <%40>

> >

> >

> >But there's different vegan stereotypes isn't there. Here's what I've

> >come across so far:

> >

> > 1. Boring librarian type

> > 2. Zany extravagent type

> > 3. Mellow hippy type

> > 4. Thoughtful, quiet ('unsociable') type

> >

> >Hope I haven't missed any stereotypes.

> >

> >Which strain are you (anyone)? Go on - pigeon hole yourself!!

> >

> >I think if I'm probably a number 4. (If we're all number 4's, it could

> >explain why this list is so quiet sometimes!...)

> >

> >Cheers,

> >James

> >

> >

> >

> >Jo Kimberley wrote:

> >> Peter,

> >>

> >> I've experienced a similar problem ,- vegans aren't the most " sociable

> > "

> >> people ,- ( sadly, even amongst themselves)

> >> and its put me of going to some future vegan social gatherings. But

> maybe

> >> this is just a kind of English reserve or personality trait? ,- but I

> find

> >> the company of omnivores sometimes more stimulating and worthwhile

>

> >>

> >> Jo

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>> -- Original Message --

> >>> <%40>

> >>> peter VV <swpgh01 <swpgh01%40talk21.com>>

> >>> Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:32:11 +0000 (GMT)

> >>> RE: Re: Not cheezly/ignorance is not bliss......

> >>> <%40>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Last christmas I dragged my carnie wife along to a meal in Cardiff

> organised

> >>> by the eat out vegan wales people, and beforehand I was very much

> looking

> >>> forward to meeting all these likeminded people. However, I found to my

> >dismay,a

> >>> rather closed insular little clique, that did nothing to make us feel

> >welcome,

> >>> and we had to park ourselves at the end of their table and dispite

> trying

> >>> to talk to the group, only one or two decided to engage us in

> conversation.

> >>> Very sad, perhaps they did not like my wifes presence as a meat eater

> >(

> >>>

> >> not

> >>

> >>> that night ), or maybe they just werent interested in new vegans I

> dont

> >>>

> >> know,

> >>

> >>> certainly one or two looked down their noses at us.

> >>> I just hope that other vegan groups social events are a bit more

> friendly.

> >>>

> >>> The Valley Vegan...............

> >>>

> >>> Lesley Dove <Lesley

> <Lesley%40vegan4life.org.uk>> wrote:

> >>> The silently ignoring one another thing, it is really very

> frustrating,

> >>> and

> >>> it sounds to me like you were frustrated with this group being too

> quiet

> >>> and

> >>> just wanted to get people a bit more actively talking.

> >>>

> >>> I'm going through the same problem locally, trying to get an active

> veggie

> >>> and vegan group going, social mainly to begin with and hopefully

> working

> >>> towards adding in some activism, but most people I email to ask along

> >to

> >>> meet up do nothing, and worst of all silently ignore my invites and

> appeals

> >>> for support! Most of those who joined up to my are silent

> >too!

> >>> Then there are a few who post but never come to meet ups, I just

> do not

> >>>

> >> get

> >>

> >>> that at all.

> >>>

> >>> I feel like sending a really pissed off email to some of these people,

> >but

> >>> of course I won't do that, I suppose I will just silently fume about

> their

> >>> apathy, and keep on as before otherwise, because I don't want to

> offend

> >>>

> >> them

> >>

> >>> and scare them off altogether, but they are people who have said they

> >were

> >>> interested in a local veggie and vegan group and yet they do not act

> like

> >>> they are interested at all in doing anything either socially or

> campaigning.

> >>>

> >>> This group used to be very busy at one time, I think these

> groups

> >>>

> >> go

> >>

> >>> through phases of being quiet after being busy. Maybe it would help if

> >>> people posted where they are in the UK and if they would like to

> organise

> >>> to

> >>> get together with other vegans in their area. Just a suggestion for

> getting

> >>> ppl to talk.

> >>>

> >>> As for the discussion in hand, I am just fine with vegan meat/cheese

> >>> substitutes, so long as it is not the real animal product, I don't

> mind

> >>>

> >> them

> >>

> >>> at all. I personally like some of them more than others, but

> that's just

> >>> personal taste. I'm a big fan of the Fry's range and so are my kids.

> My

> >>> husband never liked meat so does not like fake meat, but again that is

> >just

> >>> a personal taste thing and he does like cheezly. Like you I do not see

> >any

> >>> good reason on principle to be against analogues, especially if they

> help

> >>> some people to go vegetarian or vegan. Some people who have been vegan

> >for

> >>> years find they don't like anything that tastes like animal products,

> >and

> >>> I

> >>> can understand that too.

> >>>

> >>> So I don't know the answer as to why anyone would on principle not

> like

> >>> analogues, sorry, but I'm not sure Peter said he was, just that he did

> >not

> >>> like them.

> >>>

> >>> Lesley

> >>>

> >>> _____

> >>>

> >>> <%40>

> [ <%40>] On

> Behalf

> >>> Of

> >>> mav lists

> >>> 25 November 2006 19:19

> >>> <%40>

> >>> Re: Re: Not cheezly

> >>>

> >>> On Saturday, November 25, 2006, at 12:54 PM, nejmai wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> Did the op mean that they were ethically/philosophically opposed to

> >>>> analogues? Perhaps they just don't like the taste.

> >>>>

> >>> Maybe it is just me, but I understand the phrase " any shape or form "

> to

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>> explain an opinion as being on principle.

> >>>

> >>> Anyway I was only trying to use Peter's comment to launch a debate on

> >

> >>> what must be a common vegan issue. Many others do hold such a

> >>> position, I am sure, whether or not Peter himself does, and it is one

> >I

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>> do not understand so was hoping others might explain.

> >>>

> >>> Alternatively we could all just silently ignore each other as usual?

> >>>

> >>> Michael.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Damn, I just saw this message as the docu' concludes! Did anyone

record it? Could you upload it, please, maybe create a torrent?

 

Or, if/when it becomes available, could someone please link me to it?

I know the BBC puts some of their stuff online, but it tends to be

very low-res, and does not even play properly on my pc.

[Guest guest]

I video'd it. Let me know if you don't find it online and I can send it

to you.

 

Cheers,

James

(james)

 

veganseer wrote:

>

> Damn, I just saw this message as the docu' concludes! Did anyone

> record it? Could you upload it, please, maybe create a torrent?

>

> Or, if/when it becomes available, could someone please link me to it?

> I know the BBC puts some of their stuff online, but it tends to be

> very low-res, and does not even play properly on my pc.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much, that would be great. If you feel it may be

beneficial for others (uninitiated) to see this (I will read the

review posts in a minute) then how about creating a torrent file and

seeding it on the BT trackers? http://torrentspy.com/ and

http://thepiratebay.org/ are good places for that.

 

, James H <james wrote:

>

> I video'd it. Let me know if you don't find it online and I can send it

> to you.

>

> Cheers,

> James

> (james)

>